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Post by scotdaking on Apr 1, 2009 10:11:11 GMT -6
How do you handle it when a player arrives late for practice? I couldn't figure out why our HC made the player run laps for being late. It's not like the 9 yr old was driving?
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Post by cyflcoach on Apr 1, 2009 10:35:11 GMT -6
You will probably receive a variety of responses to this question, all with very legitimate points of view!
My personal feeling is that kids occasionally being late to practice is not a big deal. I've always tried to be understanding that Mom and Dad (coaches too!) have plenty of other things to do besides getting Jr. to football practice. If it becomes more than occasional or begins to become a significant distraction, I'll address it with the parent after practice to see if it's something we as a staff can help with (like providing a ride to or from practice) or if its something the child is doing (or not doing) which needs to be subject to a "teaching moment". I do have kids who miss our warmup period at the beginning of practice catch a couple of goal posts upon arrival, not so much for punishment, but to simply get their blood flowing before joining the workout.
Dave Hartman CYFL Coach
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Post by mahonz on Apr 1, 2009 10:37:35 GMT -6
Player arrives late…after agilities the team does 10 pushups while the late players stands in front of the team with Godzilla. At each rep the players doing pushups thank the late player by name and the late player responds at each rep…you are welcome.
Late player then runs his lap with Godzilla. Godzilla is a 4” PVC pipe filled with 10 pounds of sand and nails.
Mom sees this and is mortified. Thereafter she will never watch the end of Oprah again....or whatever. Matter of fact she is now 15 minutes early for the rest of the season.
Forces everyone to be on time. If a coach is late…he runs with Godzilla too. Two way street.
Football is a regiment so you have to train the parents too. We will have a half dozen or so tardy issues in August and then none the rest of the way. The parents and players sign a team contract so this action comes as no surprise…until it happens to them.
Coach Mike
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Post by eickst on Apr 1, 2009 10:56:45 GMT -6
Player arrives late…after agilities the team does 10 pushups while the late players stands in front of the team with Godzilla. At each rep the players doing pushups thank the late player by name and the late player responds at each rep…you are welcome. Late player then runs his lap with Godzilla. Godzilla is a 4” PVC pipe filled with 10 pounds of sand and nails. Mom sees this and is mortified. Thereafter she will never watch the end of Oprah again....or whatever. Matter of fact she is now 15 minutes early for the rest of the season. Forces everyone to be on time. If a coach is late…he runs with Godzilla too. Two way street. Football is a regiment so you have to train the parents too. We will have a half dozen or so tardy issues in August and then none the rest of the way. The parents and players sign a team contract so this action comes as no surprise…until it happens to them. Coach Mike The problem is when parents aren't even at practice, they drop little Jimmy off and take off to their hair/nail/salon appointment. I make players stay after practice so that the parents have to wait. If they don't want the kid to make up the time, no problem, he can sit on the bench this week. I plan my time with the thought of leaving 30 minutes after practice anyway so it doesn't bother me. It really bothers the parents who were late though. And if parents are late picking up their kids, well, that is handled in a pre-season parents letter explaining that kids left 15 minutes after practice will be picked up by the police and they can collect their children there.
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Post by mahonz on Apr 1, 2009 11:01:10 GMT -6
Player arrives late…after agilities the team does 10 pushups while the late players stands in front of the team with Godzilla. At each rep the players doing pushups thank the late player by name and the late player responds at each rep…you are welcome. Late player then runs his lap with Godzilla. Godzilla is a 4” PVC pipe filled with 10 pounds of sand and nails. Mom sees this and is mortified. Thereafter she will never watch the end of Oprah again....or whatever. Matter of fact she is now 15 minutes early for the rest of the season. Forces everyone to be on time. If a coach is late…he runs with Godzilla too. Two way street. Football is a regiment so you have to train the parents too. We will have a half dozen or so tardy issues in August and then none the rest of the way. The parents and players sign a team contract so this action comes as no surprise…until it happens to them. Coach Mike The problem is when parents aren't even at practice, they drop little Jimmy off and take off to their hair/nail/salon appointment. I make players stay after practice so that the parents have to wait. If they don't want the kid to make up the time, no problem, he can sit on the bench this week. I plan my time with the thought of leaving 30 minutes after practice anyway so it doesn't bother me. It really bothers the parents who were late though. And if parents are late picking up their kids, well, that is handled in a pre-season parents letter explaining that kids left 15 minutes after practice will be picked up by the police and they can collect their children there. I agree...with us word spreads. I like the post practice idea for pick ups. That is also an issue. Personally, I get real tired of being treated like a babysitting service. Coach Mike
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 1, 2009 11:46:48 GMT -6
How do you handle it when a player arrives late for practice? I couldn't figure out why our HC made the player run laps for being late. It's not like the 9 yr old was driving? Not only that, but while they're running laps, they're missing even more of practice. If I could make the rules, there'd be a formula translating a portion of time late getting to practice or being picked up after practice (for those who aren't nearby and can't walk or bike home), or being taken early out of practice, into time off the minimum plays in games. Of course that won't matter to those who get more than minimum playing time anyway, so there'd have to be another sanction, like mandatory time off in games. Coach Mike wrote: I've done too much of that lately. Last year I found that the position I was given supposedly of head coach of a team turned out to be baby sitting of about half a team. Later, in the guise of "vocational rehab" (unemployed and taking temporary assistance), I was given another group baby sitting job that had been advertised as tutoring. Later I was sent back to that institution but not allowed to do even that, because of stupid bureaucratic rules, and was sat in the hall all day as "security".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 17:27:30 GMT -6
How do you handle it when a player arrives late for practice? I couldn't figure out why our HC made the player run laps for being late. It's not like the 9 yr old was driving? depends on why, most likely it's the parents, I usually dont reprimand them unless it's problematic
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Post by manytaters on Apr 3, 2009 20:23:11 GMT -6
I don't mind being a babysitting service during practice as long as the kid is motivated and wants to learn the game. If he doesn't seem interested or is a problem, I talk to the parents and push them to be involved or take their children somewhere else.
Where I coach, I have a lot of kids with single parent families, parents that work two jobs, or other problems and the child is caught in the middle. Football is their oasis and I don't want to take that away from them. I've had a 12 year olds look at me and tell me that their mother went away for the weekend and left him and his 8 year old brother alone at home so he could play football. I can't turn that kid away.
As for players being late, our organization has different colored practice jerseys for every team on the field (8). It makes it very easy to see my players coming across the field. I tell them in the beginning of the season that if they are late, once they step on that field they better have their equipment on and sprint to practice. If they do that, I usually won't do anything, they warmed up with the sprint and they showed as much effort as possible to get across the field. They can't control when their parents drop them off most of the time, but they can control how fast they get across the field. If they take their time getting across the practice field, then they owe me a lap (to warm up) and extra work after practice. Once I made them responsible, I rarely saw late players walking across the field.
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Post by coachswanson on Apr 3, 2009 20:33:11 GMT -6
I am a league director and a coach and I truly believe that you need to discipline every kid for a tardy and make sure you treat them all the same. I will tell you something that I tell my coaches every year. If you are going to get on kids for being late you better make sure you have practice schedules and stick to them because to run your practice over every night it makes it hard for parents to listen to you get upset about being late when they show up and have to stand around 15,20 or 30 minutes after your practice was schedule to end.
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Post by coachmsl on Apr 3, 2009 21:15:37 GMT -6
I am a league director and a coach and I truly believe that you need to discipline every kid for a tardy and make sure you treat them all the same. I will tell you something that I tell my coaches every year. If you are going to get on kids for being late you better make sure you have practice schedules and stick to them because to run your practice over every night it makes it hard for parents to listen to you get upset about being late when they show up and have to stand around 15,20 or 30 minutes after your practice was schedule to end. Good point.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 4, 2009 1:28:34 GMT -6
Coach Mike. WTF? That is some funny stuff. I don't have the gonads to pull that one off. But, I am thinking about it.
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Post by mahonz on Apr 4, 2009 5:45:39 GMT -6
Coach Mike. WTF? That is some funny stuff. I don't have the gonads to pull that one off. But, I am thinking about it. Coach I figured out about 15 years ago that pier pressure is the best way to instill discipline into a football team. It is also is a very good team-building avenue. I have an entire program that I follow that is considered odd by others. Football is 90% mental so I teach kids to flip that switch as young as possible. Godzilla actually helps in many ways. My attrition rate is nearly zero so it has worked for me. At the end of the day that’s all that really matters. I have coached in very wealthy suburbs and in poor inner city areas. The one constant is if you hold everyone’s feet to the fire they will respond…and its always a positive. For some kids, sports is their only means of structure. So as the coach…have structure. Being on time is only the first step. Coach Mike
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 6:52:59 GMT -6
Great Idea Al, That usually happens before I get to practice though, they're running around like madmen. We'll do the same, we'll let them try out kicking, throw the ball around etc...especially linemen.
We sometimes forgo sprints at the end to have a pick up game of touch football after practice. They really get into it because the coaches play steady QB , and we play against each other.
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Post by scotdaking on Apr 6, 2009 12:04:30 GMT -6
Man, I love the idea of letting them run around without any real structure in the beginning of practice. That takes advantage of their free spirits. Thanks.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 6, 2009 12:43:14 GMT -6
How do you handle it when a player arrives late for practice? I couldn't figure out why our HC made the player run laps for being late. It's not like the 9 yr old was driving? laps for lateness does NOTHING. Keep them after practice, make the parent wait for you to dismiss the kid, that will do the trick.
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Post by ramsfootball on Apr 6, 2009 13:57:04 GMT -6
I agree with TD maker, You know I haven't the time to watch slow kids run a half mile so I just let parents know prior to season, if you get your kids to practice on time they leave on time.
Also, we practice in the rear of a school so a late players generally see their teamates getting warmed up so they'll sprint over, As we see them coming we make them hustle so it works out as far as getting each player warmed up. I notice that the players that got to practice early showed up with pads off and had a chance to goofy off before practice, if they came late that rolled out of the car with helmet on. My parents understood the importance of being on time, if not make sure they didn't waste more time once at practice.
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Post by oregoncoach on Apr 6, 2009 13:57:53 GMT -6
If you have a kid who is always late then you need to do your job as a coach and work on getting him a ride. We have done this on multiple occasions. Kids arent late because they want to be late. They are late because their parents are idiots.
Punishment for being late is one thing if practice is immediately after school, on school grouonds, and quite another when practice is after Mom gets home from work, somewhere across town.
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Post by zbessac on Apr 6, 2009 18:30:28 GMT -6
I dont hold the player responsible inless they don't call me. In this day and age kids know how to use a phone well enough to call me to tell me they are going to be late or miss practice. I tell them they need to call me, not mom or dad. I have spoken to parents as to why their child is constantly late and have helped make arrangements so the player isn't late anymore.
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Post by mahonz on Apr 6, 2009 18:51:56 GMT -6
If a parent cant get their kids to practice on time then they should not sign them up.
If I have to pick kids up to get them to or from practice thats the same as a babysitting service. What happens if you get in an accident and that kid is killed? Dont know cause I wont do it but it aint gonna be pleasant.
If its that critical a kid plays and the parents cant get him to practice or home then its time to get a night job to pay for the cab fares....or buddy up real quick with another teammate.
No way Im continuing a practice for an extra 30 minutes just to punish a parent either...what are you gonna do?...have that kid run laps because he is the only one left at practice while his parents watch? No way. Run him at the beginning of practice and go home to your own family on time.
Besides, 90% will appreciate punctuation while the rest could care lass. Why cater to the problem?
Coach Mike
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Post by ramsfootball on Apr 7, 2009 13:30:47 GMT -6
I hear you loud and clear Mahonz! I wish it was that easy to call parents out, maybe suggest parents ask for a refund etc.
However in my league parents have the advantage. All coaches are required to play all rostered players 12-15 plays per game. Required, Should the coach fail he is warned and the kids gets to start next game to get the plays he missed and then gets his 12-15. Should the coach fail a 2nd time he can be removed from the team by the board. With that in mind and a 14-15 man roster I have to make sure all my players get in their work late or on time. I barely have a 2nd string ai't no way I'll ever see a 3rd string.lol So to enusre that the team is ready each Sat. I'm almost having to do anything possibel to get the kids to practice and on time so the other players don't suffer. I'm sure I can complain to the board but if it as anything to do with less money coming in or a child not getting to play they won't listen.
Parents know that their son(s) will play even if he misses practice all together. So I don't have the time to run the crap out of each player for being late nor can I bench anyone. I drive a suburban, I'll load it up with players if I have too! lol
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Post by davecisar on Apr 7, 2009 17:21:19 GMT -6
Guys,
I know coaches have problems with turnover and kids showing up late to practice. I know one coach in fact that regularly lost 1/3 of his team nearly every year.
Ive coached in 3 different towns ( rich suburbia, ghetto and now rural) in 6 different leagues and NEVER had a problem keeping kids or having kids show up late for practice. Rare when we dont have 95% + retention and 80-90% + perfect and on time attendance. One ghetto team, 32 of 36 kids with perfect attendance etc
How:
#1) Set expectations in mandatory meeting 30 minutes before the first practice. If the parents arent a "fit" no big deal, have them move on to another org, before you start.
#2) If you never waste a moment of practice time, fast tempo, kids always busy, no one standing around and get kids out on time every practice, pretty rare anyone is late. If you show YOU value time, most people "get it" and won't waste yours. When most people see organization and urgency, they wont waste your time. When they see chaos and time being wasted, they will waste yours as well.
#3) My practices are fun, the kids want to be there, we leave them wanting more and practice LESS than our competition. The kids cant wait to get there, most of them anyways.
#4) NEver value one player over another, we are a team. Interchangeable parts, never making a concession to a parent or player. We will succeed no matter who shows up etc.
#5) Play everyone, if they play in every game, they come to practice.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 7, 2009 17:22:25 GMT -6
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Post by mahonz on Apr 7, 2009 22:49:03 GMT -6
Dave
Thank you !
Our attrition rate is also always next to nothing.
I do the player parent coach contract thing like you. Everything is spelled out and EVERYONE that follows the program plays a bunch and has a great time. Buck the system and you will not last long. I don’t even bother with our league MPR because we don’t have minimums on our team. I don’t even use the term.
Kids are kids and every last one of them has a skill set of some kind….given the chance.
Coach Mike
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