jlt
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Post by jlt on Mar 10, 2009 6:39:46 GMT -6
A player came up to me yesterday during a game asked me a question I didn't know the answer to. He was a linebacker who was getting frustrated on punts.
He said:
"Coach, on punts, the DTs always get through eventually but it is always just 1 yard or 2 yards too slow. The problem is that whent eh ball is snapped the lines hit each other n it takes a couple of seconds for our guys to overpower their opposition and break through. Its the initial hit. What if I crouched behind the DT and as the ball was snapped hit the DT with my shoulder and gave him that extra boost to break the hole?"
And I didnt knwo what to say. Im guessing its illegal. Its basically what guys do in a wedge. He showed me ont eh sideline and it was quick enough that I think it would work.
Any comments?
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2009 7:04:35 GMT -6
In high school it is illegal
PENALTY: Helping the runner (S44) – 5 yards.
SECTION 2 ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS AND HOLDING
ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not:
a. Use a blocking technique which is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 3)
b. Grasp or encircle any teammate to form interlocked blocking.
c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in
an effort to restrain an opponent.
ART. 2 . . . The runner may not grasp a teammate.
ART. 3 . . . A defensive player shall not:
a. Use a technique that is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 4)
b. Use his hands to add momentum to the charge of a teammate who is on
the line of scrimmage.
c. Use his hands or arms to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an
effort to restrain an opponent other than the runner.
d. Contact an eligible receiver who is no longer a potential blocker.
PENALTY: Illegal use of hands or arms (Arts. 1a, 2, 3a, b, d) – (S42); interlocked
blocking (Art. 1b) – (S44); holding (Arts. 1c; 3c) – (S42) – 10 yards
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 10, 2009 10:59:26 GMT -6
Our HC put a play like that in on offense. told him it was illegal, HC said the refs would never call it..They called it. took 6 points off the board too
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2009 11:45:19 GMT -6
Not illegal on offense unless helping the runner or interlocking blocking.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 10, 2009 13:14:15 GMT -6
Not illegal on offense unless helping the runner or interlocking blocking. That's what he did. we ran a qb sneak out of like a victory formation and both upbacks put their shoulder in the qb's back and drove him into the endzone |
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Post by John Knight on Mar 10, 2009 14:09:07 GMT -6
They never call that. You must have run into the one anal idiot that knew the rule!
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 10, 2009 21:16:22 GMT -6
In high school it is illegal SECTION 2 ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS AND HOLDING ART. 3 . . . A defensive player shall not: b. Use his hands to add momentum to the charge of a teammate who is on the line of scrimmage. But nothing illegal about using other parts of the body. It can be a defensive wedge technique, using the shoulder, just as the offense is allowed to. Line up like a 2nd row player in a rugby scrum, shoulder into butt cheek of the lineman. Put your hands on the ground to avoid an illegal use of hands call as above. |
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 10, 2009 22:27:04 GMT -6
It seems to me these methods risk injury to the team member being "helped" and would require far more practice time to perfect them then they'd be worth so why not just work to improve the individual player rather then rely on these type of techniques?
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Post by John Knight on Mar 11, 2009 6:56:03 GMT -6
bob, I would have to say it would be hard to add momentum with just your shoulder, you would still use your hands to steady yourself. If the official sees this the intent of the rule is to call it if the lineman is gaining a push from the lb.
Illegal use of the hands can be called for any contact on a reciever once they are no longer a blocker, whether the contact is with the hands or not.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 11, 2009 19:54:01 GMT -6
bob, I would have to say it would be hard to add momentum with just your shoulder, you would still use your hands to steady yourself. If the official sees this the intent of the rule is to call it if the lineman is gaining a push from the lb. But that's not the intent of the rule, or they could easily have written it that way, as with helping the runner -- where it doesn't matter what parts of the body you make contact with. It's clear that they wrote certain rules specifically to continue to allow forms of wedge that don't involve use of the hands in contact with the other player. NFL and (IIRC) Canadian rules are more restrictive on this point, even if the strictness is not observed in practice. But that's only because they chose to amend the provisions under that heading, leading to an apparent paradox. So "illegal use of hands" becomes a term of art in that case. That does not mean that all instances of rules regarding contact have obliterated the distinction between hands & arms and all other forms of contact. I'm not saying the practice I'm pointing out is legal is worthwhile, but it's not a matter of imparting add'l momentumn to the DL's initial charge, which would be difficult, but increasing the force of the contact. The LB doesn't have to stay in contact long, just long enough to help push the DL past the resistance. |
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Post by John Knight on Mar 11, 2009 19:58:32 GMT -6
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