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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 6, 2009 22:32:16 GMT -6
Another thread here set me to thinking how much of football play is dominated by official school teams with players attending high school, and whether there are geographic differences to that domination.
Consider students you know in even a passing way in your geographic area enrolled in high school and playing organized tackle football during the school year. By "playing" I'm including anyone who sat on the bench any time during the season as a potential substitute as well as those on the field. By "organized tackle football", I mean adult supervised, suited up.
Of such students, what percentage were playing on an official school team, by which I mean extramurally playing freshman, JV, or varsity?
What percentage were playing on school club teams from their school? (I figure that'd be pretty rare compared to colleges.)
What percentage were playing in clubs or other programs unaffiliated with the school they attended?
And what percentage played intramural tackle football? (I'd expect that to be the rarest category. I just read recently about a college that has a tradition of intramural tackle football, but even among colleges that must be rare.)
And if the profile appearing to the left of your post doesn't include your location, please list it. If you're writing about your knowledge of a different geographic location, please specify it.
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Post by touchdowng on Mar 7, 2009 1:56:41 GMT -6
bob
I think you need to go work for National Geographic or some firm that is going to fix the economy or global warming.
Could you simplify? Or in other words, "what are you hoping to prove or disprove?"
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Post by wingtol on Mar 7, 2009 8:16:26 GMT -6
I am having a hard time understanding this but I can say 100% of kids in this area play for their school team. I have never heard of anything else at the high school level it's either play for your school or you have no other options.
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Post by k on Mar 7, 2009 8:18:37 GMT -6
I am having a hard time understanding this but I can say 100% of kids in this area play for their school team. I have never heard of anything else at the high school level it's either play for your school or you have no other options. This.
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Post by cmpd on Mar 7, 2009 8:38:52 GMT -6
In Vermont some of the rural schools do not have a football team. So a kid that wants to play has the option to play for another school. They have to arrange transportation themselves. This goes for all sports. I hope this is what you are talking about bob
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Post by phantom on Mar 7, 2009 12:12:45 GMT -6
I live in Virginia but come from Pennsylvania. With the exception of a few ninth graders who play for youth teams high school kids either play HS ball or don't play organized ball.
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 7, 2009 12:17:15 GMT -6
is this something that happens, seriously? there are club teams for high school age children 'all over' the rest of the country?
i could perhaps see how a kid in 7th or 8th grade may have a 'choice' of playing select ball or for his middle school team ... but is this an option for 10-12th graders? i know of nothing like it around here. you can't even play 7on7 during the summer on a team other than your high school team.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 7, 2009 13:25:02 GMT -6
is this something that happens, seriously? there are club teams for high school age children 'all over' the rest of the country? i could perhaps see how a kid in 7th or 8th grade may have a 'choice' of playing select ball or for his middle school team ... but is this an option for 10-12th graders? It is here in New York City, which I thought was exceptional and am getting confirmation of. It seems to be basically because compared to almost the entire rest of the country, HS football is a much smaller deal here, so youth football (organized by adults, not student-organized clubs) has filled the void by expanding into the middle & upper teen age years with teams that are independent of any school, but sometimes have permission to use school facilities. In some cases the student's school doesn't have a team, but in others it's because the school team roster is kept small or because they'd have a chance to play, or play more, on a team outside of the school rather than being a bench sitter on the school's team. Generally this seems to mean the schools get the pick of better players, but sometimes the non-school teams get those who just don't get along for some reason. I was wondering whether there were any other parts of the country where it's like this. The Vermont example is interesting in that even if their own HS doesn't have a team, they're playing on another school's team rather than an independent organiz'n. I think some here in NYC and nearby are using teenage youth football (I forgot what the AYF affiliate organiz'n calls the 14-15 and the 16+ YO age groups -- All-American Div. or Eagles or some such) as a kind of bargaining chip to get the schools to increase football, and some of the schools with advanced varsity programs but little or no JV are happy to treat these teams as developmental. Still others see it as the JV for their adult amateur ("semi-pro", which they're really not) clubs. However, others just sincerely want to provide an alternative, or a possibility for those who have no alternative. The situation of being a much smaller deal in NYC is not unique to football among sports. I understand that 50+ years ago it was different, but although people may think of this as being a big sports town, that's true only for the big time. As in major league pro. At least in terms of spectators. There are plenty who play sports here, but few go to watch them unless they're making mucho bucks as players. The high schools here play varsity football mostly on Sat. afternoons, which is fine for them because there's not much local interest in local college football, so many fields don't have lights. And while the audiences for HS varsity football are bigger than for men's or women's amateur football or rugby, it's not by that much! It's not unusual for a HS football field here to have little or no seating on its own ground, spectators mostly standing on the sidewalk watching thru a chain link fence -- but that's largely because of the real estate prices. Plus, I think American football suffers here from demographics which favor soccer & baseball as outdoor spectator sports.
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Post by airman on Mar 7, 2009 13:53:56 GMT -6
wow, new yorkers have a lot to say. at least you are not from Brooklyn cause I could understand you.
There are similar things going on with hockey. Many of your best hockey players do not play on their high school team they play for organizations because of the limited games high school teams can play. you can play bantams(high school age) and there is not limit to the games/tourny games you can play.
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Post by ccox16 on Mar 7, 2009 17:28:56 GMT -6
Whats hockey? here in Florida we know of no such sport.
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Post by carookie on Mar 7, 2009 19:57:32 GMT -6
Im a frosh coach at a Phoenix suburb, there is a similar problem, though nothing on a large scale. We have some good youth programs up here that allow players up to 15 years old to play, sometimes we have to deal with youth coaches telling their players to play skip the frosh team and play on the club team, because the club team has a chance to win the 'State Championship', or that they have a chance for a private school or public powerhouse to see them (and maybe recruit)
They bait them with being the big fish in the small pond for one more year, as opposed to getting on board with the program where they will most likely be playing. Although like I said its not that big of a problem, just a few here and there
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Post by jml on Mar 8, 2009 14:00:56 GMT -6
with the economy the way it is maybe AAU football will be the thing of the future..
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