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Post by tripowingt on Feb 25, 2009 6:47:15 GMT -6
In a close 14-17 game in the middle of the 3rd quarter, would you rather have
-a 7 yard 1st down run where your superstar QB stiff arms a linebackers helmet off and you get the crowd and the sidelines yelling at the top of there lungs jumping up and down.
-or a 30 yard screen play by your back up TE, that moves you into FG range and switches field position
Do you think the emotional boost is more important then the big, but less exciting play
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Post by stecz on Feb 25, 2009 7:13:25 GMT -6
Surely a 30 yard screen play will get everyone fairly pumped.
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Post by coach4life on Feb 25, 2009 8:17:08 GMT -6
Hmmm, 7 yards or 30 and a shot at 3 points?
I think that choice is rather easy. It's a team game, not a superstar game. Last I checked the team that scores the most points wins.
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Post by tripowingt on Feb 25, 2009 8:58:17 GMT -6
Surely a 30 yard screen play will get everyone fairly pumped. yeah but it's not the same as knocking someones helmets off
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Post by tripowingt on Feb 25, 2009 9:06:35 GMT -6
I wasn't being that specific. The basic question is, Do you believe that plays are real exiciting and get the crowd into the game sometimes have more value then simple more consistant plays? Do you think they have any more value if you're playing at home or on the road etc?
Is there anyway I can go back and change the title?
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Post by phantom on Feb 25, 2009 9:41:23 GMT -6
From a coaching perspective what difference does it make?
"Exciting" plays like knocking an opponent's hat off just happen as a by-product of just playing football. You can't call it in the huddle.
If I knew that a play would go for 30 yards I'd call it a lot more often. Again, that's not something you can plan.
As a coach you can only worry about things you can effect.
About big hits: how often do you see an opponent make a 15 yard run that ends with the tackler making a big hit and the crowd goes nuts. Wow! Great hit! Big deal, they just gained 15 yards.
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Post by tripowingt on Feb 25, 2009 10:15:00 GMT -6
From a coaching perspective what difference does it make? "Exciting" plays like knocking an opponent's hat off just happen as a by-product of just playing football. You can't call it in the huddle. If I knew that a play would go for 30 yards I'd call it a lot more often. Again, that's not something you can plan. As a coach you can only worry about things you can effect. About big hits: how often do you see an opponent make a 15 yard run that ends with the tackler making a big hit and the crowd goes nuts. Wow! Great hit! Big deal, they just gained 15 yards. You are right you definitly can't call plays like that, but you know that some players have a nack from making a spectacular play do you put those guys on the field over a slightly more consistant but less spectacular player.
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Post by phantom on Feb 25, 2009 10:16:23 GMT -6
From a coaching perspective what difference does it make? "Exciting" plays like knocking an opponent's hat off just happen as a by-product of just playing football. You can't call it in the huddle. If I knew that a play would go for 30 yards I'd call it a lot more often. Again, that's not something you can plan. As a coach you can only worry about things you can effect. About big hits: how often do you see an opponent make a 15 yard run that ends with the tackler making a big hit and the crowd goes nuts. Wow! Great hit! Big deal, they just gained 15 yards. You are right you definitly can't call plays like that, but you know that some players have a nack from making a spectacular play do you put those guys on the field over a slightly more consistant but less spectacular player. Depends how "slightly". Are you a coach?
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Post by tripowingt on Feb 25, 2009 11:24:02 GMT -6
Are you a coach?
Part time, but I am speaking from an outside POV. So for the purpose of my question you can pretend Im not.
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Post by phantom on Feb 25, 2009 11:42:46 GMT -6
Are you a coach?Part time, but I am speaking from an outside POV. So for the purpose of my question you can pretend Im not. The reason that I asked is because from your questions you come across as either a player or a parent who is trying to justify why you or your son should be the starter. Most of the coaches here are not interested in playing that game. If you can give us some context that makes this into a coaching question there may be some discussion here. If you're looking for ammo against your coach, not so much.
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Post by dubber on Feb 25, 2009 13:10:15 GMT -6
I do not think the crowd's reaction is worth losing 23 yards.
Hell, lay my guys out after 30 yards all you want, I got plenty.
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Post by gdoggwr on Feb 25, 2009 14:17:46 GMT -6
From a fan perspective which was a more exciting play to watch: Fitzgerald's 60 yd go ahead TD or Holmes 13 yd game winning TD? From a fan perspective... it depends on which team you were a fan of. If you are just talking about entertainment then the exciting plays are the way to go. As far as winning the game, I'd rather be the team that has execution every play instead of excitement every 4th or 5th snap.
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Post by towtheline on Feb 25, 2009 19:47:53 GMT -6
which will win you a game?
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 25, 2009 21:40:13 GMT -6
I'll play the devils advocate here...How many future plays is the big hit going to effect? What I mean is a huge hit in the 1st quarter has the potential to throw a guy off his game for the next 3. We are talking about high school players here, and it can be demoralizing to get plastered early on. Possibly more so than just getting out executed on one play. I'm thinking more from a defensive perspective, but it works both ways.
I'm not saying I'll take the big hit every time, but it seems like the value of the big hit increases a) against younger players, and b) earlier in the game. I guess what I'm saying is that each play doesn't occur in a vacuum and causing doubt in your opponents head early in the game can be worth more than those other 23 yards over the course of the entire game. It won't necesarrily every time, but how many times have you stood on the sideline and seen in a kids eyes that he didn't believe he could win? It happens.
Even with all that said, I'll still take the 30 yarder 9 times out of 10.
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Post by coachriley on Feb 26, 2009 1:15:22 GMT -6
I would for sure take the 30 yard pop every time. And as for the fans getting more excited in the stands, it may sound bad, but I honestly couldn't care less. I am on the sidelines to help my kids win and to put them in the best situation in order to do that. I'm not there to entertain the fans. I'm hoping that if they are there at our games, they should already be excited enough.
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Post by dblwngr on Feb 26, 2009 2:56:58 GMT -6
If football was for entertaining fans, there would be NO double wing teams.
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Post by jhanawa on Feb 26, 2009 9:24:28 GMT -6
Best defense is a good offense, no question
Dohio, you'll never live this down! ;D
I'm going to post it in the defensive section, they'll take away your decoder ring and kick you out.....LMAO ;D
But you are right in what your saying, just a funny spin on words by a DC......
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 26, 2009 10:23:03 GMT -6
I wasn't being that specific. The basic question is, Do you believe that plays are real exiciting and get the crowd into the game sometimes have more value then simple more consistant plays? Do you think they have any more value if you're playing at home or on the road etc? Is there anyway I can go back and change the title? NO brainer for me. I want the shot at the field goal. IN a situation like you described that will charge the fans more than a kids helmet being knocked off. I have seen plenty of BAD FOOTBALL TEAMS that can hit and do lots of dancing and chanting but they cant win games when it comes right down to it. emotion is one thing, coaching is another. Ill take boring the fans and winning the game every time.
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 26, 2009 16:50:30 GMT -6
very seldom can you win a football game on emotion alone.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Feb 26, 2009 17:16:46 GMT -6
Ummmm even if the QB does stiff arm the helmet off a LB for a 7 yd 1st down, does it matter in the grand scheme of things if the drive peters out and there ends up with no chance to score, the mo may swing the other way, gimme a chance to kick a fg for pts after a pick up of 30!
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Post by craines10 on Feb 27, 2009 7:17:16 GMT -6
I'll take it how I get it. I would definitely take the combo of the two, a Bavaro style TE screen, going for 30 while trampling LB's and DB's and running with his helmet off, with no timeouts.
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Post by mitch on Feb 27, 2009 9:14:03 GMT -6
44dlcoach - I noticed your post got ignored by the masses. But I agree with you. Hey man, intimidation isn't reserved for just HS kids. You can see it every saturday and sunday. Don't think for 1 second that NFL receivers ran through Jack Tatum's secondary like they were fearless. It isn't any different now, RB's either...Icky Woods career ended on a hit by Ronnie Lott and the only injury suffered was to Icky's mentality. Christian Okoye was done after meeting Steve Atwater. Eddie George was never the same after that hit by Ray Lewis...it's not a short list. I've said it 1000 times, there is a mentality difference between an offensive player and a defensive player. That's just how it is, there is a reason Ray Lewis is a LB instead of a FB, a reason Julius Peppers is a DE instead of a TE...it's not an athletic difference it's a mentality difference. I agree with you 100%. One of the things as a DC I want is for us to get a couple shots on their players early in the game. Not pressures where he gets drug down by the jersey, I mean blind side ear ringing shots or center cut of the chest when he step up to throw. Whether he completes the ball or not is irrelavent, those hits speed up his clock usually for the game. Same thing for RBs and WRs, we want them HIT, heavy contact, early and often. I've seen it way too often to believe it's not a major game changing experience. I've seen it where if you put some hits on their stud and change him, the whole team is intimidated. But then again on the other side of that, this past year we beat the chit out of this QB. My 1 tech caught him on a QB draw, his head whipped fast enough there was that little white blurr on the film. Kid gets up, plays the next play. Jesus we hit that kid and hit that kid and he just kept coming and coming. After the game I shook his hand and told him "son you did a hell of a job tonight, I've only said this to one other QB but - YOU are a football player." They lost and he had thrown 3 INTs that really hurt them, but I respect the heck out of that kid he can play for me anyday. Our #1 goal each week is to be the more physical team. Written right across the top of the game plan in the scouting report: "GAME PLAN - PHYSICAL PHYSICAL PHYSICAL" We want you to know when you see our name on your schedule that it's going to be a physical game, we want physical defense to be our "calling card", what we're known for, just how we play the game. We did a good job of that this year, but one year wonders are far from an identity, which is what we are after. Hey man, it's football, I don't remember who said it but "it's a violent sport played by violent men" We aren't trying to injure anyone, but we are out to hurt everyone. Christ, I'm getting fired up, I should not be this fired up at 5:12 am...dammit when the phuk does the season start?? Could not agree more. The most physical team usually wins. Everyone is going to give up plays. There are seams in every defense. Even if we are giving up a few plays early (like a 30 yard completion), if we are consistently outhitting the other team (in all phases of the game), we will win 9 out of 10. This doesn't answer the original situation (7 yd run with physical finish or 30 yard screen play), but it is the overall philosophy of football, imo.
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Post by robinhood on Feb 27, 2009 12:02:55 GMT -6
Give me closer to the end zone every time. It always takes the two-way players longer to change their mentality when going from offense to defense and defense to offense.
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