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Post by dhooper on Feb 24, 2009 21:58:48 GMT -6
Coaches how many of you have coach at both a big school 5a and small 2a? What are some of the pro's and con's?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 25, 2009 6:08:36 GMT -6
I've coached at 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A. Biggest difference is numbers. That applies to kids and your pay check.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 25, 2009 6:21:45 GMT -6
Depth charts. Big difference. At a small school you might have two paid positions on staff too. One kid gets injured and you have to replace him on offense, defense and special teams.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 25, 2009 7:36:48 GMT -6
At a small school, the key to success is not how good you coach up the studs you have. The important coaching comes from getting that 5'6" 135 lb OG to be successful.
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 25, 2009 7:38:49 GMT -6
I'm making the switch this year from small to large.
So far differences I see IN MY SITUATION are:
*Experience and knowledge of WHOLE coaching staff
*Resources
*Numbers (as stated by jpdaley)
Current Pros:
*Will be making more at large school as assistant than I did as header at small school
*Kids HAVE to lift or they won't compete
*More coaches on staff to share the load of responsibilities
Current CONS:
*Possibly higher expecations, but I wouldn't call that a con.
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 25, 2009 7:45:01 GMT -6
More of everything - players, coaches, parents, headaches. That being said, I started out at a school with 40 kids in a grade, am now at a school with about 550. I feel that because there is more of everything, you need to be even more organized and detail oriented. Also, one big change that I made at my last school (about 250 per grade) was. as HC, to give up being the OC. At that level I found that I just couldn't do the OC job justice, and take care of everything in the total program. For the past 10 years or so I have been the Special Teams Coordinator, which sells an important part of our philosophy - a commitment to special teams. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to make honest judgements about just how much you can personally do, and be willing to delegate responsibility without micro-managing.
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Post by fatkicker on Feb 25, 2009 7:47:24 GMT -6
as mentioned above.....
my time as a 5A assistant......i had 21 defensive linemen in my individual period.....AND this indy period last almost an hour.....
my time as a 1A header........guard went down.....moved the full back to guard........moved starting linebacker to fullback.....now had 9 instead of 8 going both ways.....
also as the 1A header.......starting tailback broke foot.....found replacement.......replacement was having a great year......when tailback returned in 6 weeks, i moved old starter to tight end...............
i love the chess match of 1A ball...
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Post by dhooper on Feb 25, 2009 10:20:27 GMT -6
Nice posts, I have an opportunity to go from a small school to a big school but the pay for my self isn't that much higher. The price of living in the city is so much higher it equals out. I built a program now I feel that I could go deep into the play offs and the big school won one game. Its a hard decision, so many pro's and con's. Family first
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Post by fatkicker on Feb 25, 2009 10:46:09 GMT -6
i would recommend staying small if you and your family are comfortable...
nothing like it......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 12:06:10 GMT -6
Speed of the game, consistency of talent throughout, solid coaching all around--I noticed those things realy fast. I had some great defenses at a small school and came to find that my best defense there would've possibly had 3 of those players start for us when I went to the bigger school.
Part of that is speed. I don't mean speed of players because the fastest kid could be in the smallest school. I mean speed at which the game is played and moves. You have to think faster and get your players to play faster. I go back and watch my old school now and shudder.
Solid coaching throughout--A lot of people strive to move upward but at the top level in your state they aren't going to hire a guy who may not make it at that level. It's like the speed thing, there can be the best coach at the smallest school, but there are more numbers of good coaches higher up because (A) a number of coaches try to get there, and (B) a lot of guys get weeded out.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 25, 2009 12:20:56 GMT -6
dhopper..shoot me a PM I wouldlove to take over your club when you leave.  |
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Post by fatkicker on Feb 25, 2009 13:01:41 GMT -6
forgot about one injury during my small school time...
one kid.....starting wr, cb, punter, AND kicker........blown knee......
it was like somebody took my chessboard and threw all the pieces 20 feet in the air.....
the transition was funny......one of my starting ends in 1A ball was about 150 pounds......he was a great tackler........loved to hit......complete headhunter......made all division.....
at the big school, he wouldn't have been fast enough, big enough, or strong enough to carry the water......
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Post by cnunley on Feb 25, 2009 13:18:42 GMT -6
Im currently at a small 1A school. numbers are always an issue (20-25 Varsity players 10th-12th grade) but you REALLY get to know the guys you are with. yes, its very frustrating when an injury occurs and you're shifting several people around but going to victory with that few means that much more to you and to them.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 25, 2009 13:47:25 GMT -6
coached in college, small hs and larger hs. all the above difference are true. but there are many similarities. It's just relative. Mlb too slow on sweep, DE having a hard time spilling, LB's having hard time adjusting, taking the wrong first step on zone, getting beat to the inside on pass pro etc.... it's all the same between the lines except the size and the speed of the game. I always say if you run a 5.0 at LB (ours do) you better be running a 5.0 EVERY PLAY
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