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Post by ohiocoach on Feb 24, 2009 20:41:30 GMT -6
This techology is amazing! I bought this for my high school and what a difference it made. Kids could use it to practice their reads and assignments during the week which made friday nights easy. Coaches, you really need to look at this program!!
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Post by sneakyben on Feb 25, 2009 4:19:43 GMT -6
How much did your program pay for it?
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 25, 2009 10:34:15 GMT -6
Good news! The price was a hang up for us, especially with the Canadian exchange rate verse your dollar. We saw this program in Seattle this weekend and were totally blown away and then our hearts sank when we heard 5K+  Just got of the phone with JC Boice though and they are running great special; Darin has temporarily reduced the price AND IS offering a per year use fee for up to 3 years (I think sort of like a lease option) making it totally affordable. Even for us poor kanucks! We are signing up. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 25, 2009 10:49:27 GMT -6
Why doesn't someone come out and tell us the price. Is it a secret? I am getting skeptical because know one seems to have a number. Is it a flat rate,? a yearly user fee? We signed up with a different company to use some software and then all of a sudden it doesn't work. we call they say , oh you have to renew every year. not the HC so what do I know?
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Post by morris on Feb 25, 2009 11:13:51 GMT -6
3k-5k is the price. Now I am interested in the know the rate of the per year use thing.
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Post by sbv on Feb 25, 2009 11:26:39 GMT -6
$2000 is a pretty big difference in the price of the thing.
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Post by ohiocoach on Feb 25, 2009 21:53:56 GMT -6
I think the price is around 3500, but it does a ton of things. Payment plans may be avalable but you would have to call DSQA. This is an investment like buying headsets or new video equipment.
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Post by morris on Feb 26, 2009 8:09:11 GMT -6
$2000 is a pretty big difference in the price of the thing. There are different packages so that is why there is a price range. The higher amount allows you to place it on 2 computers instead of 1. They also do a good deal of information install on the software for you. It includes "lockers" for something like 80 players or so for a year. The players can access the lockers from home and works with the system. |
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 26, 2009 14:47:13 GMT -6
I spoke with JC Boice on Tuesday and he said they are now offering a 3 year lease with an option purchase on year 4 for a extremely reasonbal flat fee per year. This includes full use of the Game Planner 2009 Program, 2 licenses, and 75 player lockers. This program is amazing.
This new pay per year option is still a fair amount of money, but is well worth it for this program. The value is there!
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Post by FB4life on Feb 26, 2009 15:49:28 GMT -6
$1595 a year is pretty ridiculous.  I understand kids like playing video games (and I know this isn't one) but what happen to the days when coaches just taught players stuff on the white board. JMO! |
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 26, 2009 16:26:20 GMT -6
Aye FB4life just one question for ya; have seen this program yet? I do not want to sound offensive, but if you had seen it, I highly doubt you would have made that statement.  We have been doing just fine on a whiteboard for years, but I saw Slack take it to a whole new level at the Glazier Clinic. You still have your (2D) white board and draw it up just like you always have, but then with the single click of a button you have a super powerful 3D video. You have to understand this is the space kids play football now. JC Boice said it well; kids don't play sand lot anymore, they play Madden. Know also, there are additional components to this program for teaching, playmaking, scouting, organizing, and even play calling. Just my cheap (Canadian) two cents worth Fred |
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Post by FB4life on Feb 26, 2009 17:18:04 GMT -6
Aye FB4life just one question for ya; have seen this program yet? I do not want to sound offensive, but if you had seen it, I highly doubt you would have made that statement. We have been doing just fine on a whiteboard for years, but I saw Slack take it to a whole new level at the Glazier Clinic. You still have your (2D) white board and draw it up just like you always have, but then with the single click of a button you have a super powerful 3D video. You have to understand this is the space kids play football now. JC Boice said it well; kids don't play sand lot anymore, they play Madden. Know also, there are additional components to this program for teaching, playmaking, scouting, organizing, and even play calling. Just my cheap (Canadian) two cents worth Fred Coach I've seen it, and I'm aware of all the bells and whistles, I'm just saying for my program it is a little over kill. We don't have the funds to purchase something like this, and if we did, I would purchase DSV or something else instead...again JMO |
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 26, 2009 18:03:34 GMT -6
Gotcha coach. Repect your ideals and glad I didn't offend. Just curious though, where and when did you see it and who was the presenter? We were a little spoiled because Darin used it as a teaching visual tool during his speaking at the Seattle Glazier Clinic and then JC Boice walked all through the program. For us, our kids are pretty techno aware (video games, my space, and all that) and Game Planner just offers too much to pass up. |
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Post by towtheline on Feb 26, 2009 19:00:50 GMT -6
What makes it so expensive? I wonder how much it costs to make it
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 26, 2009 21:05:26 GMT -6
What makes it so expensive? I wonder how much it costs to make it Don't forget how long and how much it must have cost to develop. |
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Post by airraider on Feb 26, 2009 21:09:08 GMT -6
How long has this been out?
I was under the impression that it was just released..
But this guy says it has made a difference on Friday nights..
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 26, 2009 23:39:01 GMT -6
Game Planner is new and has just been released, but it was tested on a few programs around the country this fall. One notable was Jenks High in Oklahoma and they gave it great reviews as they made it to the Oklahoma State Finals.
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 26, 2009 23:49:33 GMT -6
Game Planner is new and has just been released, but it was tested on a few programs around the country this fall. One notable was Jenks High in Oklahoma and they gave it great reviews as they made it to the Oklahoma State Finals. If Podunk High had made the Oklahoma state finals, that would have meant a lot more than Jenks, which is already a tremendous program, making the state finals. What makes it so expensive? I wonder how much it costs to make it Don't forget how long and how much it must have cost to develop. But it still doesn't have to cost that much. If the price was lower, a larger volume could be moved and bigger profits gained. |
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Post by casec11 on Feb 27, 2009 7:59:09 GMT -6
What makes it so expensive? I wonder how much it costs to make it Probably development costs.... It is not like there is a tremendous market for football coaching programs, videos, ect... the only people who need or want these coaching tools are mostly football coaches. This is why they typically have a higher price than there counter parts video games/DVDs/ect... sold to the masses with more of a market. The company has an investment in the development of the product they hope to get that back and then make a profit. They probably identified that price as what the market will handle and went forward (remember the Tony Franklin offense is like $3000). If the product is too expensive they will not sell as many units as forecast and the price will come down,.... or may go up if selling like hot cakes and they can't keep up with the demand. |
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Post by casec11 on Feb 27, 2009 8:13:40 GMT -6
ramsoc wrote: "But it still doesn't have to cost that much. If the price was lower, a larger volume could be moved and bigger profits gained."
This may be, but lets say it was $500 alot more teams would buy it - true
Could the company keep up with the demand and then support it? With more customers comes more support needed. Sometimes it is better to release a product slowly and grow with it, a way to to this is to make it expensive, limiting the the number of units, while still makeing your money back.
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Post by morris on Feb 27, 2009 8:29:23 GMT -6
The new lease option is a plus. That puts it in a range we could get to I think. What I wish was available was more package options. Right now it has I think 4 "programs" in the same package. If you could buy each of those programs individualy or in smaller suites then the product becomes more interesting.
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Post by coach4life on Feb 27, 2009 8:31:40 GMT -6
As a technology guy I can tell you it takes a lot of man hours to produce a significant title. Tens of thousands of man hours go into Madden and NCAA game titles every year. Blizzard Entertainment has been working on an update for their Starcraft title (kind of a sci-fi World of Warcraft) for a few years now and still haven't released it.
Gameplanner is not likely to be quite on that scale of an effort, but from looking at the feature list I would expect the development costs where not trivial. When you combine the development costs and infrastructure costs (servers, etc.) along with ramping up support costs (as noted by casec11) it will probably take them at least a year or two to start making money on the effort.
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Post by nodice08 on Feb 27, 2009 13:29:57 GMT -6
I am still laughing from ramsoc 'poduck high' comment! ;D
Agreed!
But, I did hear a coach from Jenks going off though about how much Game Planner helped the staff with teaching a real athletic kid who had very littleplaying experience (and struggling to pick things up). He also commented on how Game Planner helped with Scouting and Playcalling.
For 5K we have no choice but to pass. Just can not afford it.
If the powers will continue to finance/lease Game Planner for a reasonable amount, I am going to be all over it. This is an investment that in the very near future, all programs will have to take on (just like head sets, dsv, etc.)
I would just assume be at the front of learning and using this software.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 27, 2009 16:51:50 GMT -6
But it still doesn't have to cost that much. If the price was lower, a larger volume could be moved and bigger profits gained. Oach, I can understand your objections because you have similar limitations budget-wise that we do here in NE Arizona. I do challenge you to go out and find another playbook maker/video editor/3-dimensional interactive game play system for less than $250k. It is a great product and it will level out in price as it gains in numbers of schools using it. |
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Post by Mav on Feb 27, 2009 18:05:51 GMT -6
JC Boice said it well; kids don't play sand lot anymore, they play Madden. Then actually let them use Madden to learn your plays. With all due respect to everyone involved with Game Planner... We use Madden on PS2 (08 is about $14 a copy - only $6 if you go with 07). They're already very comfortable with the controls. Virtually every kid already has a PS2 or knows where to borrow one(from the friend who now uses XBox/360/PS3). You can create - custom teams - we made one for us and everyone else in our league. The colors, uniforms/helmets with team name written on the home fields. - custom offensive playbooks - we created a passing playbook with 3-4 versions of each concept. Ex - Flood - we have an under Center play-action version (ie Power Pass), an under Center 5 step version, a gun play-action version and a 3 step gun version. Note: you can only have 30 plays in each playbook, so we have a separate Quick Passing playbook. - custom defensive playbooks - we create base defenses for each team we play. We try to keep the defenses fairly vanilla -- only about 4-5 defensive 'plays' for each set -Ex 4-3, C4, C2 and 1 or 2 blitzes. We have training videos using the Madden videos to teach the QBs the correct progressions/keys -- then sit with them while they learn. They use the Practice mode until they've gotten comfortable with the play versus the defenses and coverages we face. Then they can play actual games vs next seasons opponents. We have the players bring in their PS2 memory cards and we copy the playbooks onto them. The only thing that's lacking is the ability to have the kids test while alone -- we have to be there. But, as others have mentioned, Madden has the 'economy of scale' on it's side. |
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Post by poorbob on Feb 27, 2009 19:33:34 GMT -6
To me, this is kind of like an "What's the deal with sex? Why not just masturbate?" argument. I think many of you criticizing it haven't seen it or experienced what it can do. I hope DSQA will come on here and tell why it's better than Madden, but in the meantime, you can go to his site: www.genesissportstraining.com/GamePlanner/index2.htm |
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Post by towtheline on Feb 27, 2009 20:30:57 GMT -6
Game Planner is new and has just been released, but it was tested on a few programs around the country this fall. One notable was Jenks High in Oklahoma and they gave it great reviews as they made it to the Oklahoma State Finals. Can we please try not to make it sound like this is what made Jenks dominant. Since 1996, Jenks has appeared in all but 3 6A state title games (won 8) |
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Post by towtheline on Feb 27, 2009 20:35:09 GMT -6
I do challenge you to go out and find another playbook maker/video editor/3-dimensional interactive game play system for less than $250k. Where did you get that number? |
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Post by Mav on Feb 27, 2009 21:04:45 GMT -6
To me, this is kind of like an "What's the deal with sex? Why not just masturbate?" argument. I think many of you criticizing it haven't seen it or experienced what it can do. I hope DSQA will come on here and tell why it's better than Madden, but in the meantime, you can go to his site: www.genesissportstraining.com/GamePlanner/index2.htmGame Planner is new and has just been released, but it was tested on a few programs around the country this fall. One notable was Jenks High in Oklahoma and they gave it great reviews as they made it to the Oklahoma State Finals. Guys -- this is good software, but it's been around for several years. Coachcomm and Webb have re-sold it in the past. Coupling it with an exceptional QB coach like Coach Slack is the new twist. Here's a discussion from a couple of years back -- coachhuey.proboards42.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=8891&page=1 |
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Post by kanuckfootball on Feb 27, 2009 22:19:59 GMT -6
Boy, a lot of good points and great discussion!
We did try the PS2 Madden thing and it was successful to a degree. However, it is very limitted compared to what we have seen on Game Planner! It is also just different; so many tangibles. If it was as simple as just playing a video game then that is what your militairy would be doing. Having your soldiers play 'Ghost Recon', but they didn't. They have spent millions with this company to create a 'as real as possible' simulation. Now this company has teamed up with Darin Slack and his staff. They went DEEP with r n d dollars and testing and trialing with schools like Jenks.
The result is something far more than a video game with some flashy animation. Darin, his staff, and Vortec have created a TOOL; tellusstration, programable scenarios, play calling, scouting, teaching, testing, and even practice planning.
There is no comparison between Game Planner and Madden.
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