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Feb 20, 2009 19:08:00 GMT -6
Post by CoachA21 on Feb 20, 2009 19:08:00 GMT -6
If you found out that some of your players were either smoking or doing weed, how would you react to the situation and what action would you take? Is it even acceptable if they smoke cigs?
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50Murf
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Feb 20, 2009 19:26:36 GMT -6
Post by 50Murf on Feb 20, 2009 19:26:36 GMT -6
In the words of Hawk Harrelson... He GONE!
Smoking, I would run him to it hurts, then let him decide what he wants to do from there on. You get a second chance with a cigarette, but you get no play with weed/hash/grass/blunt/reefer/cheeba/ya-ya/kush/hydro....etc,etc,etc
Then again, I am a narcotics cop in my real life, so this is an extreme conflict of interest type of thing for me, and something that would really hurt me if I saw ANY of my players do (while playing for me).
It would mean they did not get the lessons I was trying to teach them besides how to tackle or throw a block. And that would really bother me.
Just my take.
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Feb 20, 2009 19:28:35 GMT -6
Post by groundchuck on Feb 20, 2009 19:28:35 GMT -6
All those things would lead to state league rules violations so they would be out a minimum of 2 weeks.
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Feb 20, 2009 19:31:56 GMT -6
Post by CoachA21 on Feb 20, 2009 19:31:56 GMT -6
Let me rephrase a bit, lets say I just a student assisant were to find out some of the players were smoking weed. Would it be my bussiness to inform the Head coach or leave it be?
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Feb 20, 2009 19:41:19 GMT -6
Post by 50Murf on Feb 20, 2009 19:41:19 GMT -6
In short, yes, you inform the HC.
Questions...
Do your players sign some sort of pledge that they will not drink, use drugs, etc in order to play on the team? If so, then it is an easy one right there.
You let the HC know, and you let him handle it.
What is the veracity of the student assistant. Is this someone who might have a grudge? Is this a person who is truthful? Why are they bringing this up... team pledge, other reasosn...because it is the right thing to do, etc?
I think you find out ALL that you can, inform the HC, and you let him handle it. Some might say you should talk to the accused kid(s) but if you have no bearing on the final outcome, then why get in the middle?? Let the HC do his thing and then support the decision.
Again, if it was me, and it proved to be truthful, then he is gone.
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Feb 20, 2009 19:41:37 GMT -6
Post by kylem56 on Feb 20, 2009 19:41:37 GMT -6
Smoking cigarettes... I would rip into him and run him good.
Smoking weed... Yes I would be pissed, I have seen to many people ruin or lose their lives due to drugs. The player would be punished and probaly wish they were locked up in jail after I got through with them, but I would make sure that if they need help, that they do get it.
to answer your question waredskinzfan21, If I was a student manager. I would first talk to the players and try to make them realize that they are risking so much by doing what they are doing. If it continues and you think that their bad habits are affecting the team or endangering themselves, then yes I would definently. Another possibility is, if you dont want to feel like you are "ratting them out", what about talking to the team captains or team leadership council ?
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Feb 20, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -6
Post by CoachA21 on Feb 20, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -6
In short, yes, you inform the HC. Questions... Do your players sign some sort of pledge that they will not drink, use drugs, etc in order to play on the team? If so, then it is an easy one right there. You let the HC know, and you let him handle it. What is the veracity of the student assistant. Is this someone who might have a grudge? Is this a person who is truthful? Why are they bringing this up... team pledge, other reasosn...because it is the right thing to do, etc? I think you find out ALL that you can, inform the HC, and you let him handle it. Some might say you should talk to the accused kid(s) but if you have no bearing on the final outcome, then why get in the middle?? Let the HC do his thing and then support the decision. Again, if it was me, and it proved to be truthful, then he is gone. Hey Coach, we actually had our head coach resign and one of the assistant coaches is most likley to get the position. I don't think that the players were asked to sign anything but I could be wrong. I have actually seen some of the players smoking or doing weed. Reason I am bringing this up is because I don't want the team to 'in trouble' because of this. I don't hold any grudges nor do they. This is also varsity level in HS.
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Feb 20, 2009 20:20:31 GMT -6
Post by k on Feb 20, 2009 20:20:31 GMT -6
I played in a upper middle class 100% white suburban district. I'd say that well over 50% our team smoked pot. Maybe 15% smoked cigs. Graduated 1999.
I coach at a wealthy 100% white suburban district ie one I could never afford to live in. The percentage who smoke pot is probably significantly higher than 50%.
Personally I'd be more upset to catch them smoking tobacco than drinking or smoking pot. The following two have official consequences the former results in a lifetime addiction.
If I caught them that is saw them with my own eyes I'd report it to the administration and let them handle it. Mandatory reporter... As to rumor and speculation? I'm doing nothing. The school kicks kids off for the rest of the season for drinking/pot... Not sure what they do with tobacco.
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Feb 20, 2009 21:50:32 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2009 21:50:32 GMT -6
As a youth football coach, I'd consider it none of my business, unless they're doing it during practice, a game, or travel to or from a game.
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Feb 20, 2009 21:58:16 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2009 21:58:16 GMT -6
coach, if you are even going to breathe any of this to someone else you better have inconclusive proof of it. I'd hold off till you have something concrete, because god forbid you do this, they get removed from the team, and or school, get tested and come back negative...you'll all be in hot water
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Feb 20, 2009 22:11:06 GMT -6
Post by 50Murf on Feb 20, 2009 22:11:06 GMT -6
waredskinzfan21 -
Who is running the ship? The assistant coach you mentioned? If so, then he is the "acting" HC by proxy, so go to him and tell him. Not sure what your team rules are but a select few should not ruin it for the entire team, so I would not worry about the "whole team" getting in trouble. Unless, of course, the whole team is getting high, the you're screwed there.
I could see the main guy upset if members of the team saw it and did not report it first, but that could be handle with some up/downs, laps, etc. Some will say that they are being good teammates by standing up for the kids and "not ratting" or "tricking" but IMO - that is pure bullcrap.
I assumed you were talking about a high school team, because if it was a youth team doing either, well then that would be a HUGE problem in my book, and some heads would roll at my school. Kids would be expelled, butts would be tanned, and football would be over.
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Feb 20, 2009 22:17:23 GMT -6
Post by Coach Huey on Feb 20, 2009 22:17:23 GMT -6
continued 'education' or 'awareness' about the dangers of drug use should be taking place within a program.
make sure you substantiate hearsay from 'evidence'
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Feb 21, 2009 2:45:02 GMT -6
Post by coachbdud on Feb 21, 2009 2:45:02 GMT -6
ok yes "something should be done if the kid is stupid enough to get caught. But honestly at the very least 60% of your program will smoke weed at least once in their HS life... that number is a minimum in some areas it is much more, it is just the way of life. Not saying it is right, but if there was some sort of USB lie detector everyone on this site could use... we would see most members have tried it at least once
then they will come back with the excuse, "i didnt inhale"
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Feb 21, 2009 4:06:30 GMT -6
Post by poorbob on Feb 21, 2009 4:06:30 GMT -6
I'm not trying to say anyone else on the team is doing it, but at least 75% of my team smoked weed. Some did it before games. I live in California, so I hope it's not like that everywhere, but it is VERY prevalent nowadays and it bothers me a lot. I wish kids would quit this BS. Anyway, I would do something, but on the other hand, it's way too prevalent to kick the people who do it off the team...you wouldn't have a team to field. Sad situation. BTW, I'm 19 and I've never done any illegal drugs and I never will. I hate drinking also, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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Feb 21, 2009 6:34:08 GMT -6
Post by nickknx865 on Feb 21, 2009 6:34:08 GMT -6
Let me rephrase a bit, lets say I just a student assisant were to find out some of the players were smoking weed. Would it be my bussiness to inform the Head coach or leave it be? I would certainly hope you would.
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Feb 21, 2009 8:38:38 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 8:38:38 GMT -6
continued 'education' or 'awareness' about the dangers of drug use should be taking place within a program. make sure you substantiate hearsay from 'evidence' Amen, beleive me you don't want a lawsuit on your hands
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Feb 21, 2009 9:35:11 GMT -6
Post by 50Murf on Feb 21, 2009 9:35:11 GMT -6
Coach Bud - For the record, yes I did inhale, but no, never did get high during football or baseball seasons. Was too busy trying to get better in the weight room. MANY of my friends were getting high, I just walked to the beat of my own drummer. Tried it several times before I went into the military after high school. So I do not want you to think I am being a holier than thou type...not the case. I do what Coach Huey had mentioned BEFORE I ever coach a kid, so they know were I am coming from. Regardless if everyone, 60%, or 20% are doing it - it still is wrong. I have been around thousands, and I mean thousands of people who were high, nature of my job. I cannot recall even ONE of these thousands of people who exhibited traits that I think would have helped them out on the football field while high. IMO, weed/blunt/cannabis just does not help a football player, but what do I know?
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Feb 21, 2009 13:19:43 GMT -6
Post by champ93 on Feb 21, 2009 13:19:43 GMT -6
continued 'education' or 'awareness' about the dangers of drug use should be taking place within a program. make sure you substantiate hearsay from 'evidence' I agree totally, but at what point does hearsay become evidence? Do you have to see it for it to be evidence. Should all rumors/hearsay be investigated/kids questioned/etc.? I ask, not to be confrontational, but because I wrestle with this dilemma at times. A successful coach I used to work for told me to not to look for things, because you might find it. Enough crap gets thrown in a HC's lap as it is, no reason to look for more.
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Feb 21, 2009 16:56:17 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Feb 21, 2009 16:56:17 GMT -6
Regardless of personal beliefs about marijuana use, etc, I don't think I've ever been a part of a school that didn't have a policy regarding tobacco, marijuana, and alcohol abuse, nor a football program that didn't have a clearly designated policy. It gets more murky in college, but every HS team should have explicitly stated rules and consequences for each, with specific information about repeat offenses and such.
I don't drink, I don't smoke anything, only drugs I've used were prescribed pain medication for injuries. I am very clear about my disapproval regarding those things to the team. In truth, none of them bother me in my personal life, so long as the person using them is using in moderation. As teenagers, they are incapable of anything but that, so we must take the stance that ANY use is unacceptable and will be punished.
Just my 2c
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