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Post by trenchwarrior on Feb 18, 2009 16:07:55 GMT -6
Every coach deals with and addresses discipline problems differently. What discipline procedures do you take and what are the consequences?
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Feb 18, 2009 16:23:28 GMT -6
Anticipation!!!Discipline comes to determining the stimuli that may cause a problem before it happens. We have found this to be the best solution.
Otherwise we go to the stock procedures of loss of practice time. This one hurts because if you lose practice time, you cannot possibly play the same amount in the game because you lost reps. So in turn if you have to miss a period of practice time, you have to miss about a quarter of a game. There is no way to make up for the lost reps that come from not practicing. This one seems to keep kids' attention.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 18, 2009 16:33:12 GMT -6
It depends on the severity of the offense and any prior issues with that individual.
I believe in few rules and a lot of suggestions and expectations - you don't want your own rules to box you into a corner with no flexibility.
Every situation is different, and you need to have the flexibility to handle each one of them differently.
It is also important to set the right precedents at the beginning - If you go away from them later, you can expect a helluva fight.
It took me many, many years to gain these little scraps of wisdom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 17:09:42 GMT -6
Depends, but I'm a beleiver in punishing the individual instead of the team.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 19, 2009 21:27:44 GMT -6
The less rules, the better.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 20, 2009 8:14:52 GMT -6
Every coach deals with and addresses discipline problems differently. What discipline procedures do you take and what are the consequences? Anticipation is a good word to work from: If you know kids at all you have a pretty good idea of the stuff that will happen IF YOU ALLOW IT. The poor coaches that I worked under in my past typically were poor communicators who never bothered to lay out expectations for the kids or the staff. When things went wrong theyd throw everyone under the bus. The good coaches that I worked for listened to their staff and together came up with expectations and kept lines of communication open. When someone screwed up they were held accoutable and the consequences varied depending on the situations (not the persons). You basically have two avenues, you can come up with "one rule fits all" type of things like "do the right thing" or you can be very specific: "no cleats in the building" "wipe down the bench" "put your weights away" "lock your locker" "no hazing" " helmet stays on at all times" etc. I personally prefer a combination of the above. Some kids are soooooo concrete that their excuse is "YOU NEVER TOLD US WE COULDNT"....argh. So, draw up a list of expectations and spell it out. spell out the consequences for breaking the rules: more conditioning loss of playing time meeting with parents suspended from team temporarily or permanantly discipline referral to office press charges thats pretty much all you need. before you even bother with all of that you need to subscribe to some kind of discipline philosophy. for example, a very loose coach might believe "boys will be boys" and might feel that "punishment" is when you do something about them 'being kids". Someone who doesnt tolerate all that crap might have a philosophy of "what is tolerated is encouraged" and that "nip the small stuff in the bud before it becomes big stuff" I like "no nonsense and no excuses"- thats where it starts for me.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 20, 2009 8:16:06 GMT -6
The less rules, the better. Seriously for college athletes YES but for little kids sometimes NO. "COACH YOU NEVER TOLD US WE COULDNT?"
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 20, 2009 8:43:46 GMT -6
BUT as others have said, a lot of it depends on the individual instance. Typically it goes in these steps: 1. Talk to the kid, polite but firm 2. Talk to the kid, not so polite and blatantly firm 3. Talk to the kid, this time it is the "IF - THEN" ultimatium conversation 4. another instance and they get the "THEN" part of #3 5. another instance and the team gets the "THEN" part of #3 and will continue to get it until the offending kid either rectifies his behavior or he quits. This is a solid approach IMO. State your expectations- don't just tell the kid what he did wrong, tell him how to do right! With the average kid Steps 1-5 apply. Shady kid= skip step 1 I'm a little stand-off-ish with new kids/transfers/etc...I can't help it. I feel kids like this have to prove their worth/earn our trust before they can be considered "part of the family" and they earn benefit of the doubt.
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Post by bccarnes on Feb 23, 2009 13:08:44 GMT -6
It always helps to have a "Do the right thing" clause in your teams rules so that no matter what a kid does, he can be punished on an individual basis. That avoids the "you never said we couldn't" when it comes time for consequences. I think all kids (even little ones) have some sort of idea of what is right and what is wrong in situations that are big enough to have consequences. We punish each infraction on an individual basis so that if we find out a kid really honestly did not know it was inappropriate to do whatever, we can be a little easier on him. But we can also be severe on a kid that knew something was wrong and just didn't care.
Being fair and consistent is not always treating all kids equal.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 23, 2009 13:23:42 GMT -6
Never embarrass the Program.
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Post by stecz on Feb 23, 2009 14:08:57 GMT -6
I run a 3 strike rule for lateness and absence. You are either late 3 times without reasonable excuse or have 3 unreported absences over the year, you miss a game. We also have that you get 3 months behind on subs payment, you don't train until you pay it off.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 23, 2009 14:10:41 GMT -6
what is subs payment?
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Post by stecz on Feb 24, 2009 14:58:34 GMT -6
Subsidies. In the UK, you pretty much to have to pay to play due to the amateur nature of the game and having to hire places to train and play.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 24, 2009 19:42:38 GMT -6
The less rules, the better. Seriously for college athletes YES but for little kids sometimes NO. "COACH YOU NEVER TOLD US WE COULDNT?" Having a long and tiresome laundry list of rules that no one is ever going to read defeats the purpose of teaching your players how to do the right thing. Teach by example, not by rules.
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Post by Fridge on Feb 25, 2009 8:18:11 GMT -6
I run a 3 strike rule for lateness and absence. You are either late 3 times without reasonable excuse or have 3 unreported absences over the year, you miss a game. We also have that you get 3 months behind on subs payment, you don't train until you pay it off. Coaching a German 14-19yrs youth team, it´s nearly the same here: 5 unexcused absences in a season, and you´re off the team for the rest of the season. 1 unexcused abscence before a game = miss 1 Qtr. 2 unexcused = miss the game. miss a game unexcused = you´re out.
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Feb 25, 2009 9:47:15 GMT -6
Had a to be senior player, all-conference as a junior, tell me he wasn't going to join the rest of the team in our final lift, which we do all together as a burnout. He said he "didn't feel like it". Completely defiant but we have been having problems with him all off-season.
Wow! This is the type of behavior that losing programs have and I wanted to cut the player free immediately. The head track coach said, "well, at least he is here" and that is were his expectations are for this kid - how sad.
I immediately disagreed with him and said that being here is not a criteria that we measure and walked away - what a jacka**.
I told the kid he was a horrible role model for our football program and sent him home. He is suspended until further notice - I will give him some time to decide if he wants to do it my way. I am in the first off-season of a major rebuilding project so this may help you guys with perspective.
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