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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 18, 2009 7:50:47 GMT -6
Our latest fundraiser fell way short of what I was hoping.
My sister just lost her job along with 20,000 others (Not laid off - company went under).
The school systems are cutting jobs and not filling vacated jobs by retirees.
The Chattanooga area (closest large city) is closing several schools.
Many of my parents are out of work.
Everyone says it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I'm in East Tennessee. How are things in other parts of the country? Are you guys feeling the pinch at all? And, is this a bad time to be looking for a new job in coaching?
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Post by highball007 on Feb 18, 2009 7:59:58 GMT -6
It is a terrible time to be looking for a job! I have seen now three schools that have past up better candidates for retired guys in the community because there are no teaching jobs available right now. People always say they want the best for kids but what they really mean is they want what is best for kids under these circumstances and they tell you we have no teaching position, you must retain all coaches from last year and you have no budget to work with. Two Mills just laid of about 30% of there employees so that was a lot of our parents that are now in the unemployment lines.
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Post by struceri on Feb 18, 2009 8:28:48 GMT -6
our state budget is short so they want to implement a pay for play situation. every kid would have to pay a fee to be involved in extra curricular activities.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 18, 2009 9:06:10 GMT -6
definately effects us - FActory closed down and lost school population - more kids really do have work to help out their families -- they are talking about cutting down or out jv games to save on bus trips. also might limit the number of coaching positions... I'm an old fogey but I have told some of the younger teachers they might want to hang around and keep their tenure jobs -- might not be a good time to be a non-tenured teacher -- (and yes, I am aware that tenure is not a guarantee - but it is a start).
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Post by tango on Feb 18, 2009 9:08:03 GMT -6
Losing coaches, scared to buy anything like weight lifting racks and uniforms, physicals have always been free?  Summer workouts with everyone living 15 miles from the school, I'm afraid whats going to happen. Summer work. Summer school. Travel and lights must be paid by our program budget. |
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 18, 2009 9:14:39 GMT -6
there just is no budget in CA. they are having to make tons of cuts. All sports were on the chopping block but didnt get cut (everyone knew this would never happen) there is still a possibility of them cutting freshman sports, luckily our AD has told us we will still have a freshman team because we already have enough gear and jerseys so there really wont be any cost to us besides a couple buses.
One thing that really affects us is that they might cut coaches stipends. Now we dont do it for the money obviously, a year of work for about 1500 after taxes (the base stipend) but that money is perfect for christmas. It will be tough for all of us if they decide to cut stipends and right now it looks like it could be cut next month,
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Post by tvt50 on Feb 18, 2009 9:20:34 GMT -6
no buses for field trips (ie- 7on7s, camps)
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Post by brophy on Feb 18, 2009 9:21:24 GMT -6
oUCH!
BENTONVILLE - In a 4-3 vote, the Bentonville School Board voted against having a seventh-grade athletics program starting in the next school year.
The seventh-grade athletics decision came after much discussion that mostly surrounded growing economic concerns, especially in light of recent layoffs at Wal-Mart and other companies.
As with any program, adding seventh-grade athletics would have cost money - about $40,000. It would not been additional money sought in the budget, however. The athletics budget would have been reconfigured to fund the money, making the program essentially a neutral cost to the district.
In the end, however, it was finances that prevented board members from being fully supportive of the program. All the board members said they fully support the concept, but several said it didn't seem appropriate to fund a new athletics program during the current economic times.
"The local economy took a big hit last week, and we're expending money," board member Bryan Vernetti said. "I'm not sure it's the kind of message we need to send when that's money that could be reallocated (to other purposes)."
www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090217/ARTICLE/902170356/2050/SPORTS"For us in that district the furthest school is 129 miles (Palmetto Ridge), both Cape Coral schools are 94 miles and Charlotte is 68. We are the ones most affected because we have only two schools less than 50 miles away," Kinnan said. "In Manatee County, we pay $1.43 per mile and $19.80 per hour (for a driver and bus). The further you go, the more hours you spend on the road, and it's very expensive."
"We are thinking outside the box and are looking at a lot of options. Right now, we are not panicking and hoping it will work out," said Manatee High athletic director and head football coach Joe Kinnan.
Kinnan and other Manatee County public school athletic representatives have been talking with Sarasota County Supervisor of Athletics Jim Clark and school officials from Pinellas and Hillsborough County. The prevailing opinion is that the districts proposed by the FHSAA for winter sports and volleyball are not practical, given the economic climate.
www.inforum.com/event/article/id/231312/When Minnesota’s next budget forecast comes out in March, it’s expected the state will face a
$7 billion shortfall. The economic mess isn’t getting any better any time soon. School districts are going to be crunched harder.
Could a sport or two be laid on the chopping block? Could entire athletic programs follow?
It’s not out of the realm of possibility if the recession (or is it a depression?) continues for another year. A school district outside Cleveland last week discussed dropping all sports, with a vote scheduled for April.
While it’s fashionable (and oh-so-simple) to point to extra-curricular activities as a black hole where gobs of money disappear with no discernible benefit, the facts aren’t quite so black and white.
“Activities account for 1 percent of the school district’s budget and we service perhaps 50 percent of students seven through 12,” Moorhead High School activities director Don Hulbert said. “We’re a bargain.”
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Post by amikell on Feb 18, 2009 9:23:36 GMT -6
wow...It sounds like our county doesn't have it that bad. We are looking at minimal cuts and basically just not filling positions of people that are leaving or retiring. We are lucky.
I definately think it is not a good time to be looking for a new job.
JP, I grew up south of Chattanooga in GA, and I can imagine that the economic downturn/depression/recession is not going to be kind to that part of the world.
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Post by coachstu on Feb 19, 2009 1:29:53 GMT -6
Our program has been pretty stable...even though the economy has been down. Fundraising has been tougher, and because of the lack of support from other league teams our freshman program will be dropped because of lack of funding from other teams programs. Its really too bad.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 19, 2009 9:10:05 GMT -6
amikell, Nice to hear from another Southern Boy! I've been at Baylor, East Ridge, and LaFayette in the Chattanooga area. Where are you from?
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Post by amikell on Feb 19, 2009 9:43:02 GMT -6
I went to High School at LaFayette
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 19, 2009 10:26:27 GMT -6
Wow! What year did you graduate? I was there from 98-2000. Do you know the Hodges?
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Post by amikell on Feb 19, 2009 12:02:49 GMT -6
JP check your PM. we'll continue this there. pretty cool stuff.
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Post by red2slam on Feb 19, 2009 12:08:41 GMT -6
The good news for you head coaches and more driven asst. coaches is that the lack of bonus money for coaching where that is happening will drive out the phony coaches.
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Post by raiderpirates on Feb 19, 2009 15:00:22 GMT -6
The good news for you head coaches and more driven asst. coaches is that the lack of bonus money for coaching where that is happening will drive out the phony coaches. Probably not. In good times there's other things to do. You'll end up with a million extra joe the plumbers ready to ask your HC how he can help be President.... |
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Post by FB4life on Feb 19, 2009 16:24:08 GMT -6
ESUHSD (in northern Ca) is in the process of possibly losing ALL sports. They need to generated 1.6 million dollars by March 31st. I believe there's also a few schools up north (Ca) that are facing the same future (Navato). SAD!!!! Here's how they plan on generating $$$. blogs.mercurynews.com/hssports/2009/02/09/how-to-help-the-east-side-union-school-district-save-sports/How to help the East Side Union School District save sports Posted by Senior Web Editor on February 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm | Categorized as Football I’m sure most who visit this blog are aware of the proposal by East Side Union High School superintendent Bob Nunez to eliminate sports in the district in a cost cutting move. Oak Grove athletic director Ed Buller has been working on ways to raise the $1.5 million needed by the March 31 deadline to keep sports alive for the next school year, and has come up with a couple programs that should help in the effort. The ESUHSD is teaming up with ThehCard.com in one of the fundraisers. The card cost $25 for a year and includes numerous discounts at local and national merchants _ including a roadside assistance program, a prescription discount card and promotions with hotels and airlines. There is another website www.schoolheart.com/sportsrescue911/which is a more specific site for the cause of the ESUHSD’s 11 schools, which include Silver Creek, Andrew Hill, Mt. Pleasant, Santa Teresa, James Lick, Yerba Buena, Independence, Piedmont Hills, Oak Grove, Evergreen Valley and Overfelt. On this site, supporters can click on to a school and purchase the card through a link. All the money raised will be split among schools in the district. The website is easy to navigate and includes a zip code search function where you can find nearby merchants offering discounts to card holders. For every $25 hCard that is sold, $12.50 will go toward the ESUHSD’s sports fund. “It’s a team effort between all 11 schools in the East Side District,” Buller said. “We’re reaching out to the community and asking for their help. Saving sports is a top priority _ they mean a lot to our student body.” Buller mentioned that killing sports in the district would have a trickle down effect on other leagues throughout the Central Coast Section. The CCS would lose the fees paid by the schools in the district, as would the section’s referee’s association. So help from communities throughout the section would be appreciated. The San Jose Earthquakes have also pledged to help raise money for the district. Any company who make donations to the Earthquakes Community Fund will have half of its donation go directly to funding for ESUHSD, the other half is earmarked for the Earthquakes Kicks for Kids Program which helps fund a ticket program for underprivileged youth. |
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Post by airman on Feb 19, 2009 17:05:43 GMT -6
I suggest people start preparing for the worst. The stock market will start a major correction in early 2010. the down will be at or under 4000. to put this in perspective it will be about half of what the Dow is today.
People are going to see a slight bump in the economy in mid to late 2009 but in 2010 a major correction will take place. this is normal and natural. the SM corrects its self roughly every 40 to 45 years. 1929, 1968 2010?
one should prepare for 1970s like up and down economy for about the next 10 years.
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Post by amikell on Feb 19, 2009 20:26:24 GMT -6
Ok, Airman is not the first person I have seen say this, or maybe he is it was just on another section of the board.
How do you know this? How can you apply specific dates to these things? I'm not saying you're not right. I just want to know where you are getting your info, and how your making your conclusions with such specific dates.
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Post by grotto on Feb 19, 2009 20:30:23 GMT -6
Wow, only on Coach Huey's board can you get advice on both the economy and football!
Just kidding - that's part of what makes this board great - everyone is just trying to be helpful to others in whatever way possible.
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Post by sin86 on Feb 19, 2009 22:37:24 GMT -6
I would venture that if you are not in a real critical subject area you are at risk. I have heard teachers say that they are not worried because someone will have to teach the kids. What they don't understand that some subject area teachers are a dime a dozen. I am going to get certified in math and make myself more hirable though I don't plan on going anywhere.
Coach Daley, I am on the otherside of the mountain from you. How long have you been at Baylor? I coached with the baseball coach from there about five years ago, I think he is at Bradley Central now.
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Post by coryell15 on Feb 20, 2009 7:54:34 GMT -6
Ok, Airman is not the first person I have seen say this, or maybe he is it was just on another section of the board. How do you know this? How can you apply specific dates to these things? I'm not saying you're not right. I just want to know where you are getting your info, and how your making your conclusions with such specific dates. It is a pattern that can be traced back to the 1840s. The main thing is that politicians as is their wont cannot resist "tweaking the fairness of the economy"(translation-using the public coffers and regulations to buy votes), and the greater the interferences in the cycle by government the harder the reset will be. The other extreme is a totally unregulated market playing their own games with the machine.(think Madoff) The housing market was willfully and purposefully set up to be the timebomb it has wound up being when "community organizers" got a foot in the door under Clinton using Carter era rules like the Community Reinvestment Act to pump billions of dollars of misvaluated risk lending into the housing market by telling the banks "loan more to the poor or get sued". Cynics will try to point out that less than a quarter of the implosion was "caused by the CRA" but they are being disingenous in so doing. A highly complex mechanism like real estate markets is dependant on the interaction of many moving parts to set proper valuation of the asset and prices artificially shot up about 600% in many markets from 1993-2004. This was NOT because houses suddenly got that much better or people desperately had massive increases in their income. There were SEVERE changes in the amount of money you had to have for a down payment and the income benchmarks one had to meet to be allowed to carry a particular sized mortgage. The banks are to blame, the politicians are to blame, and people who took out huge mortgages believing the perpetual motion machine of codified slamming could go on in perpetuity are to blame. "luckily" we have just spent the equivalent of 10,000 bucks of federal spending in the last 8 months on every legal American according to census 2000 or to put it another way 500 dollars for every human on Earth. In economics as in football you may get lucky with the occasional hail mary but it is not a way to count on prolonged success. |
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 20, 2009 11:13:41 GMT -6
I'm in AZ and we were already 49th in the nation in spending on education then we cut 350 million out of this years budget so we are likely 50th now- we have morons for legislaters and that's being kind.
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 20, 2009 11:51:13 GMT -6
NY State has cut games from HS schedules next year across the board. Basketball loses 2-3 games, baseball 2 games, wrestling 1 tournament, etc. Football is loosing a game, meaning no more than 8 regular season games can be scheduled. I've also heard that scrimmages may be limited and that post-season officiating will become localized, meaning not always the best crews will be made available. There is also talk in reconfiguring the classification system into less divisions (moving from 5 to 4...or even 3) so that there are less games, less crews, less transportation...less participation. Even the "Empire State Games," NY's version of the olympics is cut and now is strictly pay to play. It was a great showcase for scholar athletes to get attention from college recruiters in most team/individual sports (football excluded).
Locally I'm just waiting for a coach or 2 to be cut from our budget. It's already bad enough that I have 90+ kids come out for our middle school program (7th & 8th), but can only keep about 50 because of coaching limitations and budget. We aren't allowed to fundraise for coaches stipends to get extra people, extra buses, etc...work with what your provided is the expectation. I have to pay out of pocket for leather footballs above the alloted 8-10 I'm given from the AD...that's for an entire season! I wouldn't be surprised if my fundraiser gets negated as well in that it looks bad during these hard economic times to ask for extra from the community. We raise about 5-6K per year...not much, but it does pay for our banquet, awards, and extra incedentals that come along. We don't get awards/plaques, certificates, etc. paid for by the district/athletic office.
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Post by airman on Feb 20, 2009 14:08:21 GMT -6
Ok, Airman is not the first person I have seen say this, or maybe he is it was just on another section of the board. How do you know this? How can you apply specific dates to these things? I'm not saying you're not right. I just want to know where you are getting your info, and how your making your conclusions with such specific dates. when you have f8figure assets you tend to pay a lot of attention to what is going on. I am blessed because one of my brothers is an analyst and his hobby is studying SM trends. I know he is such a nerd but a highly paid one. I also sugges you read some really great books. 1. The Coming Great Depression and how to prosper by Harry Dent JR 2. Applied economics beyond stage one by Thomas Sowell 3. Basic Economics: A citizen's guide to the economy by Thomas Sowell the reason there is a growing wealth gap in this country is those who want to be wealthy think differently then those who are middle class or lower class. those who are or want to be rich read boring books like those above while the masses sit and watch mind numing reality tv shows. |
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Post by rattfink on Feb 20, 2009 16:59:33 GMT -6
Ok, Airman is not the first person I have seen say this, or maybe he is it was just on another section of the board. How do you know this? How can you apply specific dates to these things? I'm not saying you're not right. I just want to know where you are getting your info, and how your making your conclusions with such specific dates. when you have f8figure assets you tend to pay a lot of attention to what is going on. I am blessed because one of my brothers is an analyst and his hobby is studying SM trends. I know he is such a nerd but a highly paid one. I also sugges you read some really great books. 1. The Coming Great Depression and how to prosper by Harry Dent JR 2. Applied economics beyond stage one by Thomas Sowell 3. Basic Economics: A citizen's guide to the economy by Thomas Sowell the reason there is a growing wealth gap in this country is those who want to be wealthy think differently then those who are middle class or lower class. those who are or want to be rich read boring books like those above while the masses sit and watch mind numing reality tv shows. Maybe I'm not following you but can you explain how not reading a boring book affects the global economy? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that part of the issue was that investment bankers made unwise investment choices and I'm guessing that most investment bankers have read boring economic books. |
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Post by airman on Feb 20, 2009 17:25:50 GMT -6
when you have f8figure assets you tend to pay a lot of attention to what is going on. I am blessed because one of my brothers is an analyst and his hobby is studying SM trends. I know he is such a nerd but a highly paid one. I also suggest you read some really great books. 1. The Coming Great Depression and how to prosper by Harry Dent JR 2. Applied economics beyond stage one by Thomas Sowell 3. Basic Economics: A citizen's guide to the economy by Thomas Sowell the reason there is a growing wealth gap in this country is those who want to be wealthy think differently then those who are middle class or lower class. those who are or want to be rich read boring books like those above while the masses sit and watch mind numbing reality TV shows. Maybe I'm not following you but can you explain how not reading a boring book affects the global economy? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that part of the issue was that investment bankers made unwise investment choices and I'm guessing that most investment bankers have read boring economic books. 1. most people do not take time to understand how the economy works. Just like most people do not take the time to know what the constitution says as well. little tip for those of you who do not like it when politicians come up and give their speech. I ask every one of the to recite the constitution/bill of rights. I figure if they can do this they are then fit for office. If they cannot they usually just turn and go away. the majority just turn away. 2. just because a guy is an investment banker does not mean he actually knows what he is doing. There job is to push the envelope to make money. Bankers made poor choices in giving loans to people who should not have had them. In Germany only 40% of the country owns a home. 40% of all income levels. Contrast this with 50% of the people below the poverty level in this country owns a home. IF we applied the German standards for home ownership we wouldn't have had the loan issues. 3. while business made some poor choices the larger problem is individual citizens have created most of the problems. The middle class created a lifestyle which during boom time they could afford by living pay check to pay check. IN 2000 the USA became a zero savings society. Now during down time the middle class are struggling just to keep their head above water because instead of putting money away for a rainy day they bought toys or lake homes etc. They tried to live like the rich because credit was made available to them. I think the guy who wrote rich dad, poor dad said it best. the middle class starts on a treadmill at a comfortable pace. then they have a kid, then they buy a house and before you know it the treadmill is going so fast they can barely stay on it. |
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Post by rattfink on Feb 20, 2009 18:09:26 GMT -6
Maybe I'm not following you but can you explain how not reading a boring book affects the global economy? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that part of the issue was that investment bankers made unwise investment choices and I'm guessing that most investment bankers have read boring economic books. 1. most people do not take time to understand how the economy works. Just like most people do not take the time to know what the constitution says as well. little tip for those of you who do not like it when politicians come up and give their speech. I ask every one of the to recite the constitution/bill of rights. I figure if they can do this they are then fit for office. If they cannot they usually just turn and go away. the majority just turn away. 2. just because a guy is an investment banker does not mean he actually knows what he is doing. There job is to push the envelope to make money. Bankers made poor choices in giving loans to people who should not have had them. In Germany only 40% of the country owns a home. 40% of all income levels. Contrast this with 50% of the people below the poverty level in this country owns a home. IF we applied the German standards for home ownership we wouldn't have had the loan issues. 3. while business made some poor choices the larger problem is individual citizens have created most of the problems. The middle class created a lifestyle which during boom time they could afford by living pay check to pay check. IN 2000 the USA became a zero savings society. Now during down time the middle class are struggling just to keep their head above water because instead of putting money away for a rainy day they bought toys or lake homes etc. They tried to live like the rich because credit was made available to them. I think the guy who wrote rich dad, poor dad said it best. the middle class starts on a treadmill at a comfortable pace. then they have a kid, then they buy a house and before you know it the treadmill is going so fast they can barely stay on it. 1. Interesting idea but couldn't anyone memorize the documents. Shouldn't we as a people be more concerned about politician comprehending the ideas behind the documents and applying them to modern American politics? 2. In 1960 American home ownership was 62%. In 2005 it was 69%. Your statement raise good questions but is comparing American homeownership to relatively socialist Germany really a valid one? Shouldn't we be more concerned with real American home equity and the people that lent to unworthy borrowers? 3. No question the current American model for standard of living is artifical but ultimately isn't one of the reasons for it is the stagnation of real wages since the '60s? Shouldn't getting Americans to live within their means ultimately be the goal of any financial plan? And isn't financial ignorance a symptom of our education system? |
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 20, 2009 19:14:39 GMT -6
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Post by airman on Feb 21, 2009 21:15:00 GMT -6
1. Yes ideally it would be nice if those in government understood the intend of the constitution. however when tested less then 50% of Congress and the senate could even recite the 10 original components of the Bill of rights. Even more scary is how few of the citizens in this country actually know the bill of rights.
2. we are only capitalist in appearance.. we are a socialist nations with all the entitlements handed out to business, farmers and individuals. President Bush gave out the biggest welfare handout in prescription drug benefit for seniors. Then he and Ted Kennedy decided we should work toward federalizing schools with no child left behind.
IN a fox new poll last week 68 % of those polled believe the government should give them food. 66% health care, 51% housing, 51 % a job.
As we slide toward the soviet style state Germany is actually making reforms. It is set to privatize its postal system in the next year or two.
How do you punish people who were forced to make home loans to people who should not qualify. every one is to blame here as everyone got greedy.
IN the early 1990s people figured out they could flip houses every 2 or 3 years and make a profit. It used to be people took out a fixed interest, 30 year payment plan. After paying off their house they could live in the house until retirement or even after. at such time they could then sell the house.
My grandmother did not have much on my mothers side. She only had her house and she paid that house off. That is not the mentality of people now.
3. the only way you are going to get people to live with in their means is for tough times and for people to lose what they have.
It is like this. you make your first million dollars and more often then not you lose your first million dollars which teaches you when you make 2 million( 1 to replace what you lost and 1 to make you more money) you appreciate what you have.
a large part of the problem is Americans demand high wages for unskilled labor. Take the Car manufactures. I have a cousin who used to work at the ford plant in st. Paul Minnesota. She made $29.73 an hour to screw in the coat hanger clip in ford ranger and extended cab ranger pickups.
Her benefit package was around 60 dollars an hour as well. She has no skilled training what so ever. she started at ford right after high school. worked their for 18 years. took the buy out 36 because the plant is set to close. now at 37 she still does not have a job which pays her bills. she has no skills for the information society we are in. She thinks PB took her job and PBO(president barack obama) is going to get her job back for her.
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