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Post by headpastry on Feb 16, 2009 2:54:35 GMT -6
Hey,
Can anybody help me with examples of 9man formation both offense and defense.
thx
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Post by julien on Feb 16, 2009 3:32:31 GMT -6
Hi,
In french minor league we play 9 man football.
Most of the time teams just remove 2 OL in offense... You can play any formation: Pro I, Split, Spread, one back etc.
On the defensive side, we're used to see: 3-3, 3-4, 4-2...
Hope i help
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Post by lassen on Feb 16, 2009 3:45:44 GMT -6
Depending on what your rules are for down linemen, I can help a bit.
In Denmark the rules are 3 down linemen, 5 players on the LOS. From these rules we have run:
2 WR, 2 TE, 2 G, 1 C, 1 QB, 1 RB.
1 WR, 2 TE, 2 G, 1 C, 1 QB, 2 RB.
Our opponents have run (in addition to the formations we have):
2 WR, 1 TE, 2 G, 1 C, 1 QB, 2 RB.
2 WB, 2 TE, 2 G, 1 C, 2 QB. (Double wing)
On D# we have primarily run:
A 3-3
1 DE head on the TE and one DE with outside shade on the G/TE depending on if they are a 1 or 2 TE team.
A NT in the strongside A-gap
SOLB Having outside contain responsibility
WOLB having partial outside contain responsibility
1 MLB
2 CB and a FS
Other formations we have seen are:
4-3 with 2 corners and no safety
Generally 9-man football for kids under 19 in Denmark is 80-95% run, so some teams pass on the safety
We have also seen a 5-1 with a safety 3-4 yards directly behind the LB.
This has been the least effective D# i have seen in 9-man, as we quickly took control of the DE's and ran outside all day.
I would recommend the 4-3 if you are in a run-happy league, or the 3-3 if passing is a possibility.
If you are interested I can send you some of the offensive playbook's we have used over the last couple of years
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Post by julien on Feb 16, 2009 5:31:23 GMT -6
For the record the rules are 3 down Linemen, 5 players on the LOS in France, too.
For the offense I would also add:
3 Wr, 1TE, 2G, 1C, 1 QB, 1 RB
4 Wr, 2G, 1C, 1 QB, 1 RB
We have also seen some empty backfield. Actually, it seems that we throw the ball more often in France than in Denmark. No offense, just kidding.
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Post by dubber on Feb 16, 2009 9:52:28 GMT -6
What the field dimensions?
In America, in 8-man football, the field dimensions stay the same, and they put up a ton of points because there is more space and less players.
BTW, American playing fields are 120 yards by 53 1/3 yards.
Or, 109.728 meters by 48.7375 meters..........
BTW, as long as you don't mind answering my questions, do you guys go by Yards?
Or
Instead of first and ten, you have first and 9.144?
That's part humor.....part inquiry.
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Post by lassen on Feb 16, 2009 10:10:34 GMT -6
In Denmark 9-man football has the same dimentions as a regular field. We play by NCAA rules over here, so have the same field dimentions.
This is why we basically run the ball all the time, with many of those being outside runs, cause once you get outside, you got 1-2 players covering 20 yards width of playing field.
We also have a 7-man system where the field is 20 yards shorter and, I believe, 15 yards slimmer, but also 4 guys less to cover that area.
As for the yard question, then yeah we go by yards. Even when coaching. Say we want the WR spread to be 10 yards we say 10 yards instead of 9 meters.
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Post by julien on Feb 16, 2009 10:43:41 GMT -6
Same thing in France. We play by NCAA rules so have the same field dimentions.
This is why running a zone defense is very dificult...
And yes, we go by yards in Europe too.
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Post by tedseay on Feb 16, 2009 11:36:49 GMT -6
Hey, Can anybody help me with examples of 9man formation both offense and defense. thx Coach: PM me and I'll send you some materials I've done on 9-man offense and defense. |
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Post by dubber on Feb 16, 2009 11:45:45 GMT -6
Same thing in France. We play by NCAA rules so have the same field dimentions. This is why running a zone defense is very dificult... And yes, we go by yards in Europe too. I can see how running a zone defense would be troublesome. I remember watching some film of Tony Franklin (an Air Raid guru here in the states)......after he left Kentucky, he went into a 9 man indoor league. Basically he was Air Raid without the OT's, which it sounds like is the same thing with you guys. It sounds like man coverage is about the only coverage, because zone is just not feasible.......if that is the case, getting great at a handful of Air Raid routes (Mesh, Shallow, Y-corner) would do wonders. I imagine if Ted has been working on something, it is sometype of either 9 man Wild Bunch, or 9-man SW.......you couldn't go wrong with anything he gives you. coach headpastry, It would help if I knew your intentions (I'm quite Kantian  ) concerning different formations......are you trying to feel out what an offense is, or are you trying to adapt an offense to 9-man football? -Dub |
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Post by julien on Feb 17, 2009 0:27:34 GMT -6
Basically we are trying to adapt an offense to 9-man football.
Some work better than other.
For example I haven't seen a team running succesfully a wing-t on a consistant basis in a 9 man football league.
In the other hand, I run a veer option / zone offense and we gain some pretty good yardage.
The key, as you may have understand, is the outside. So throw in it or run thru.
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Post by tedseay on Feb 17, 2009 4:52:45 GMT -6
I imagine if Ted has been working on something, it is sometype of either 9 man Wild Bunch, or 9-man SW.......you couldn't go wrong with anything he gives you. Let's not overlook the 9-man 2LD...the only effective way to play 9-man defense. ;D ;D |
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Post by dubber on Feb 18, 2009 12:21:25 GMT -6
Basically we are trying to adapt an offense to 9-man football. Some work better than other. For example I haven't seen a team running succesfully a wing-t on a consistant basis in a 9 man football league. In the other hand, I run a veer option / zone offense and we gain some pretty good yardage. The key, as you may have understand, is the outside. So throw in it or run thru. As the OC, what would you rather do, run it or throw it? By that, I mean: What would you rather establish first? |
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Post by aapocistan on Feb 18, 2009 15:38:06 GMT -6
I coached the Leuven Lions Juniors last season in the 8man football league, and I'm pretty sure like in most american football junior leagues around the world, it is much easier to run effectively than it is to pass the ball. This is not to say you shouldn't pass the ball, but if you have a good athlete I would put him at RB and feed him the ball often!!
One thing however to have in your passing game is the 7 to 8 yard corner-route, because somehow, I don't know why, defensive backs in Belgium appear to refuse covering this route decently.
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Post by julien on Feb 19, 2009 0:49:31 GMT -6
We run the ball on 60% of our plays mainly because we're blessed with RBs.
Parly because we're know succesfull at throwing the football in France.
It's really difficult to teach techniques & reads to a young QB who do not have football culture.
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) concerning different formations......are you trying to feel out what an offense is, or are you trying to adapt an offense to 9-man football?