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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 17, 2009 7:10:24 GMT -6
Do they attend clinics / brainstorm at the same ACME place that Wile E. Coyote shops? At what point do we see that it is not expressly forbidden for the players to wear rocket powered roller skates, and therefore this is a legitimate avenue by which the "small schools" can compete.
Again, the FIRST solution seems to be addressing their classification. Here in Louisiana, we seem to have some small country schools doing just fine...
I guess you can't market that though. "How to competitively classify your districts" MAYBE I should write a book.
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 17, 2009 8:22:43 GMT -6
All I have to say is, I am glad this is over (hopefully) For as much as I give Kurt Bryan credit for trying something new...he really took it to a level where it was exploitation, and not about the kids. He can say it wasn't about money, but it was and I will give you a perfect example. I am a head coach in Illinois and my team faced a conference opponent this year who was running the A-11 (every snap of the game). So, right at the beginning of the season, I PM'd KB and asked him if he could give me a couple tips on what some defenses had done against his A-11 offense to cause problems. Just wanted a little insight. He PM'd me back and told me to call him on his cell phone. I called him, we ended up talking for about 5 minutes, and he would never answer my question as to what kind of defense worked best against his team. What turned me off and showed me this was about money was when he told me "Coach, you should buy the installation manual so that you can get an understanding of the different formations and how plays are run in the A-11. It will only cost you about 150 bucks." I told him I wasn't planning on running the offense, so why did I need an installation manual to answer a couple basic defensive questions. Again, he replies "Coach, the installation manual and power points could be very helpful for you and your team".....never answered my one and only question. Needless to say, i didn't purchase the manual, we came up with a good defense, and battled with the team in my conference with a pretty good defensive game plan. It was and is all about the money out in Piedmont, CA, in my opinion.
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Post by phantom on Feb 17, 2009 9:14:10 GMT -6
Do they attend clinics / brainstorm at the same ACME place that Wile E. Coyote shops? At what point do we see that it is not expressly forbidden for the players to wear rocket powered roller skates, Wait a minute. We CAN'T wear rocket powered skates? Stinkin' Federation.
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2009 9:19:50 GMT -6
no phantom but you can use brass knuckles
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Post by justryn2 on Feb 17, 2009 9:26:54 GMT -6
Tog, are you sure you can use brass knuckles. That might be considered a uniform adornment.
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2009 9:30:17 GMT -6
Tog, are you sure you can use brass knuckles. That might be considered a uniform adornment. yeah sorry forgot to add that if you camoflague them as linemen gloves then it is ok but only if that linemen is wearing an eligible number and he is out past the hashmarks THEN it's totally cool with the zebras
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Post by macwomac on Feb 17, 2009 10:08:52 GMT -6
All I have to say is, I am glad this is over (hopefully) For as much as I give Kurt Bryan credit for trying something new...he really took it to a level where it was exploitation, and not about the kids. He can say it wasn't about money, but it was and I will give you a perfect example. I am a head coach in Illinois and my team faced a conference opponent this year who was running the A-11 (every snap of the game). So, right at the beginning of the season, I PM'd KB and asked him if he could give me a couple tips on what some defenses had done against his A-11 offense to cause problems. Just wanted a little insight. He PM'd me back and told me to call him on his cell phone. I called him, we ended up talking for about 5 minutes, and he would never answer my question as to what kind of defense worked best against his team. What turned me off and showed me this was about money was when he told me "Coach, you should buy the installation manual so that you can get an understanding of the different formations and how plays are run in the A-11. It will only cost you about 150 bucks." I told him I wasn't planning on running the offense, so why did I need an installation manual to answer a couple basic defensive questions. Again, he replies "Coach, the installation manual and power points could be very helpful for you and your team".....never answered my one and only question. Needless to say, i didn't purchase the manual, we came up with a good defense, and battled with the team in my conference with a pretty good defensive game plan. It was and is all about the money out in Piedmont, CA, in my opinion. This is what turned me off as well....never an answer or insight. There are so many smart coaches on here that are willing to share and help each other learn. Look at Coach Slack for example. I've never met him, nor do I own his materials(so this isn't a commercial), but he is on here giving his opinions and helping other coaches with his knowledge; not just saying "Buy DVD #3 or all our software."
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Post by knighter on Feb 17, 2009 10:17:29 GMT -6
I would like to comment more, but I have to go home and feed my fish.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 17, 2009 10:24:12 GMT -6
I have just published a new book "All the questions asked about the A-11 finally answered!" it's only 200.00 and will tell you all about the offense.
I would answer your questions now but I have a nap to take. Just send me your 200.00
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 17, 2009 14:53:08 GMT -6
ode to the A-11:
Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
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Post by superpower on Feb 17, 2009 15:01:42 GMT -6
ode to the A-11: Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. A very appropriate Shakesperian quote!
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Post by 19delta on Feb 17, 2009 17:09:44 GMT -6
All I have to say is, I am glad this is over (hopefully) For as much as I give Kurt Bryan credit for trying something new...he really took it to a level where it was exploitation, and not about the kids. He can say it wasn't about money, but it was and I will give you a perfect example. I am a head coach in Illinois and my team faced a conference opponent this year who was running the A-11 (every snap of the game). So, right at the beginning of the season, I PM'd KB and asked him if he could give me a couple tips on what some defenses had done against his A-11 offense to cause problems. Just wanted a little insight. He PM'd me back and told me to call him on his cell phone. I called him, we ended up talking for about 5 minutes, and he would never answer my question as to what kind of defense worked best against his team. What turned me off and showed me this was about money was when he told me "Coach, you should buy the installation manual so that you can get an understanding of the different formations and how plays are run in the A-11. It will only cost you about 150 bucks." I told him I wasn't planning on running the offense, so why did I need an installation manual to answer a couple basic defensive questions. Again, he replies "Coach, the installation manual and power points could be very helpful for you and your team".....never answered my one and only question. Needless to say, i didn't purchase the manual, we came up with a good defense, and battled with the team in my conference with a pretty good defensive game plan. It was and is all about the money out in Piedmont, CA, in my opinion. So...what's ol' Otto gonna do now?
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 17, 2009 19:47:10 GMT -6
Gentlemen,
I wonder if KB has thought of this...
Very light silver numbers on White jerseys!
Imagine the numerical camoflage!
I would say more, but I have to go get a flu shot at a great clinic!
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 17, 2009 19:57:19 GMT -6
All I have to say is, I am glad this is over (hopefully) For as much as I give Kurt Bryan credit for trying something new...he really took it to a level where it was exploitation, and not about the kids. He can say it wasn't about money, but it was and I will give you a perfect example. I am a head coach in Illinois and my team faced a conference opponent this year who was running the A-11 (every snap of the game). So, right at the beginning of the season, I PM'd KB and asked him if he could give me a couple tips on what some defenses had done against his A-11 offense to cause problems. Just wanted a little insight. He PM'd me back and told me to call him on his cell phone. I called him, we ended up talking for about 5 minutes, and he would never answer my question as to what kind of defense worked best against his team. What turned me off and showed me this was about money was when he told me "Coach, you should buy the installation manual so that you can get an understanding of the different formations and how plays are run in the A-11. It will only cost you about 150 bucks." I told him I wasn't planning on running the offense, so why did I need an installation manual to answer a couple basic defensive questions. Again, he replies "Coach, the installation manual and power points could be very helpful for you and your team".....never answered my one and only question. Needless to say, i didn't purchase the manual, we came up with a good defense, and battled with the team in my conference with a pretty good defensive game plan. It was and is all about the money out in Piedmont, CA, in my opinion. So...what's ol' Otto gonna do now? Riverside Brookfield runs the A-11? I knew Zeman ran the deep-gun 5-wr but he always used 5 linemen with inelgible numbers last time I heard. Would love to comment more but I have to go unclog a toilet.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2009 6:59:04 GMT -6
I wonder what the Humphrie' clinic presentation was like. According to the website, he was scheduled to speak at the Northwest coaches Clinic in Seattle this past weekend.
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 18, 2009 8:11:11 GMT -6
Yeah, we are in the same conference as Riverside-Brookfield and good ol Otto Zeman. They ran the A-11 this year...that was all they ran. I am assuming he will go back to his 5 wide with 5 traditional linemen..but who knows.....we actually defended it decent this year...but it will be interesting to see what he goes to now...maybe he is going to start running THE WISHBONE. By the way, his QB had 86 pass attempts in their first round playoff game this season....are you kidding me???
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 18, 2009 9:52:00 GMT -6
Yeah, we are in the same conference as Riverside-Brookfield and good ol Otto Zeman. They ran the A-11 this year...that was all they ran. I am assuming he will go back to his 5 wide with 5 traditional linemen..but who knows.....we actually defended it decent this year...but it will be interesting to see what he goes to now...maybe he is going to start running THE WISHBONE. By the way, his QB had 86 pass attempts in their first round playoff game this season....are you kidding me??? I remember reading and hearing about thier game with JCC about 6 years ago in the playoffs. Niether could stop the other. JCC ran all over them, and R-B passed all over JCC.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 18, 2009 16:19:16 GMT -6
I believe the horse si dead finally. Be grateful it isn't going to show its face again in the sport of football.
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Post by coryell15 on Feb 18, 2009 16:30:10 GMT -6
I believe the horse si dead finally. Be grateful it isn't going to show its face again in the sport of football. Velcro numbers and standing sideways are the future of football I say....the future. would type more but I need to go mow my lawn.
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Post by coachstu on Feb 19, 2009 1:42:10 GMT -6
Played against Bryan and this offense. Somewhat innovative, extremely confusing for the referees more that anything else. Looking at film we saw several instances of ineligible receivers downfield, but way too hard for referees (in my opinion) to keep track of. Thats where I believe that its more deception than innovation. Actually, as it stands now,,,,we may have been their (Piedmont) very last game with that A-11 offense. We went with a defensive strategy that we thought would be effective, and actually had no problem stopping it that night. I will say that they were great hosts though, with a beautiful facility.
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Post by FlexboneOne on Feb 19, 2009 6:29:15 GMT -6
Played against Bryan and this offense. Somewhat innovative, extremely confusing for the referees more that anything else. Looking at film we saw several instances of ineligible receivers downfield, but way too hard for referees (in my opinion) to keep track of. Thats where I believe that its more deception than innovation. Actually, as it stands now,,,,we may have been their (Piedmont) very last game with that A-11 offense. We went with a defensive strategy that we thought would be effective, and actually had no problem stopping it that night. I will say that they were great hosts though, with a beautiful facility. So you are the man to ask: Did they have a bunch of "small" linemen?
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Post by lochness on Feb 19, 2009 8:31:25 GMT -6
Cooked Goose
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Post by knighter on Feb 19, 2009 11:46:26 GMT -6
I would love to comment more, but I have to go watch "The View", and would answer later but Will and Grace re-runs are on.
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Post by coachstu on Feb 19, 2009 21:39:42 GMT -6
So you are the man to ask:
Did they have a bunch of "small" linemen? I wouldnt say small. Not too big either though....probably average for high school Our NG just ruined their day in my opinon. Way to quick, which turned out to be sort of their achilles heel that night. So concerned with the pressure he brought that the center was having fits snapping the ball and whatnot.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 20, 2009 9:09:13 GMT -6
So you are the man to ask:
Did they have a bunch of "small" linemen? I wouldnt say small. Not too big either though....probably average for high school Our NG just ruined their day in my opinon. Way to quick, which turned out to be sort of their achilles heel that night. So concerned with the pressure he brought that the center was having fits snapping the ball and whatnot. They didn't ask you to count "1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi" before you rushed? You do know they have lawyers. QB's should always "retain the right" to throw the football.
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Post by coachstu on Feb 20, 2009 22:31:41 GMT -6
We did get one "roughing the center" call. Which was actually a blessing...out NT made 3 plays in a row 2 sacks and a blown up fly sweep. we were told that ESPN the magazine was there that night to do a piece on the A11. I really dont know if they published anything...
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Post by bcurrier on Feb 24, 2009 12:03:35 GMT -6
In light of darebelcoach's experience with Kurt Bryan, the following post that popped up on a revived thread is interesting... from the thread at coachhuey.proboards42.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6311&page=1Great advice from earlier posts about becoming a better OC. YES, and I would only add a couple of things to that: 1. Not only hanging with DC's, BUT actually coaching a position on the D side of the ball, and/or becoming a Def. Coord. for a season or two. I was the Secondary coach at the collegiate level for 1 year and it was GREAT for me to see things from that perspective - NOT only drawing stuff upside down on the white board (talk about different), but learning/teaching the reads, rules, keys and tendency evaluation 2. Also, take some time to sit down with a DC or two, and SHOW them your offensive game film and playbook, and then Listen to how they would try to shut it down KB So...he took from DCs, but he wouldn't return the favor to darebelcoach ... As the saying goes, there are two kinds of people -- givers and takers...
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 24, 2009 12:15:38 GMT -6
A thing that really struck me after my conversation with Coach Bryan. (besides the fact that it was obvious he was really really really trying to sell his manual) was that.....
1. It seemed as if he didn't want to give me any defensive adivce because it was if he felt threatened, like if my team in Illinois successfully defended the A-11 it would mean that the offense was a failure. That is one thing I took away from the conversation.
The thing that blew my mind was that I am in ILLINOIS....I am not taking my school of 900 students and traveling to California to play Piedmont....I am a young head coach, but I will offer my advice whenever I can, and it seemed as if he was playing the old "this is my toy and I am not sharing!!!"
Like I said in my previous post, I do not know KB..he might be a great guy for all I know, and hopefully he is, but the way he came off when we talked was as a salesman, not a coach
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Post by beenaroundlongtime on Feb 24, 2009 13:11:27 GMT -6
I have been scanning these thread subjects for months on this site and finally decided to join the fun. I had the pleasure of meeting with these A11 coaches and we shared ideas for several hours.
Our program will be implementing quite a few of their ideas in a mixed bag sort of way, the most exciting will be using our more versatile athletes at the # 3 wr/te spot, in place of conventional tackles.
One of the many principles these two A11 coaches have revealed to our fraternity of coaches in our region, is the game can be won without using standardized offensive lineman at the tackle positions.
We have broken down play by play two seasons of their games and several games from other teams using A11. There is no doubt more teams will be putting excellent athletes at these tackle/anchoring spots to ultra spread the defense from boundary to boundary, whether they'll be wearing lineman numbers or not.
We used to be a wing-t and veer team, we moved to a basic spread last year and will use spread and A11 ideas this season.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 24, 2009 15:50:22 GMT -6
I have been scanning these thread subjects for months on this site and finally decided to join the fun. I had the pleasure of meeting with these A11 coaches and we shared ideas for several hours. Our program will be implementing quite a few of their ideas in a mixed bag sort of way, the most exciting will be using our more versatile athletes at the # 3 wr/te spot, in place of conventional tackles. One of the many principles these two A11 coaches have revealed to our fraternity of coaches in our region, is the game can be won without using standardized offensive lineman at the tackle positions. We have broken down play by play two seasons of their games and several games from other teams using A11. There is no doubt more teams will be putting excellent athletes at these tackle/anchoring spots to ultra spread the defense from boundary to boundary, whether they'll be wearing lineman numbers or not. We used to be a wing-t and veer team, we moved to a basic spread last year and will use spread and A11 ideas this season. Can I ask how you are going to do this with the new rules saying 4 OL must be in # 50-79 and only the center can wear an eligible number on 1-2-3rd downs. Are you saying that you will just split your tackles out since now they are ineligible pass catchers and only keep your C-G's in? You know the rules changed correct? The NFHS changed the SKF rule to say that on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Down, an offense must have at least 4 players wearing # 50 - 79 on the LOS, and only the Center can be wearing an Eligible jersey number, except for on 4th down, then all players can be wearing Eligible numbers, etc.
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