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Post by charger109 on Feb 14, 2009 16:33:37 GMT -6
Silky---I would disagree with that. You won't find a more ardent detractor of the offense, nor will you find someone more willing to call out Barnum & Bailey...I mean Bryant and Humphries, but I don't think they are doing it for the profit. The "fame", the "glory", the "bust in Canton, Ohio" maybe. but not the $$$. I don't know about that since they just released a 150.00 "advanced concepts of the A-11" manual. 140 pages of A-11 for a dollar a page! I have seen lots of books and materials, but 200.00 for the original and 149.00 for the update seems to look like a profit is trying to be made... Yeah, I saw that book too, what is it about? Is it the Legal A-11 offense or something? I mean, if it is legal this time around, than good for them. I wish them all the best. I was just thinking that maybe it was a book for a new league coming out or something like that. Anyone know anything
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2009 16:36:48 GMT -6
This was not about banning a particular offense; it was about clarifying SKF numbering exception. Thank you ... finally, someone gets it. Huey, I think we both know that MANY people "got it" In fact, almost everyone "got it" save two promotion specialists from California. The unfortunate thing is that the true character and intentions of those two seem to be coming to the forefront. The spin machine seems to be in massive overdrive. If I were a parent of a Piedmont kid, I would be asking "Uh, ok guys, isn't it time to give up the fool's gold and teach my kid how to block now?" But that doesn't seem to be in the interest of Bryan and Humphries. I wonder if they regret the media blitz/innovation they tried to cram down everyone's throat. Had they simply run their offense rather than trying to catch lightning in a bottle, how would this had played out? But simply running the offense didn't seem to be their goal. Fathering (and being credited for it ) a movement did. If those guys are reading, here are some questions that neither have EVER attempted to answer: 1) From spreadattack : Why not just work grass roots to eliminate ALL # exceptions, rather than one that takes advantage of a silly loophole based on the depth of the snap receiver? 2) From Me (and others) : Why not campaign for a change in the classification methods of your athletic body? In ever single propaganda piece, you guys mention the "small to medium sized schools" yet in every situation I have been around those "small to medium sized schools" play OTHER SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED SCHOOLS. It is all a relative issue, and has been stated by many coaches, size does not equal offensive line ability. 3) From Me (and others) : Why not run all of your pretty x's and o's within the standard numbering rules? If the intent was never to set up a situation where the defense was NOT covering someone they should, or WAS covering someone they needn't be, then all is good right? 4) From others : Since you are basically campaigning for a new sport, why make your only variation the SKF numbering exception? In your A-11 league, why not go all out, and change MANY of the rules? If you are going to do it, do it right. Make a new sport...not just football with a change in the numbering rules that is triggered only when someone is 7 yards deep to receive the snap so that someone can run the nifty little offense that you guys created based on a loophole in those existing rules people are suggesting you change.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 14, 2009 18:21:23 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 14, 2009 18:47:38 GMT -6
In Canada is this thing called the A-12?
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 18:50:39 GMT -6
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Post by morris on Feb 14, 2009 19:09:05 GMT -6
You have to log in to go to that thread
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 19:17:20 GMT -6
Message Board :: General :: A-11 Offense General Board :: Seceding from Fed? Author Topic: Seceding from Fed? (Read 17 times)
coachhensley New Member member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 2 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Seceding from Fed? « Thread Started Today at 5:57pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So do you guys have a plan yet?
When will it be launched? Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Steven Humphries Administrator member is offline Joined: Dec 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 113 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #1 Today at 7:08pm »
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Today at 5:57pm, coachhensley wrote:So do you guys have a plan yet?
When will it be launched? Hi Coach,
Stay tuned in the next month or so for updates, BUT, if it goes as the Experts have told us, then Yes.........ANY high school team in America will be able to follow our lead and use the A-11 offense in 2009 and beyond.
« Last Edit: Today at 7:09pm by Steven Humphries » Link to Post - Back to Top Logged killer New Member member is online Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 5 Karma: 0 Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #2 Today at 7:47pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Four questions:
1. Who are these "experts"?
2. Are you expecting teams that follow NFHS rules to play you?
3. Do you expect a large enough number of schools will leave the NFHS and join your new federation to warrant a full schedule and postseason?
4. Has a lawsuit been discussed? Link to Post - Back to Top Logged kurtbryansucks New Member member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 1 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #3 Today at 8:00pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol you guys are idiots just give it up you money grubbing bastards
if your kids are too small then don't field a team or get their lazy asses in the (assuming you didn't turn it into a business office) weight room. « Last Edit: Today at 8:06pm by kurtbryansucks » Link to Post - Back to Top Logged killer New Member member is online Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 5 Karma: 0 Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #4 Today at 8:07pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There really is no need for that...completely ignorant comment.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2009 19:26:44 GMT -6
Steven Humphries Administrator member is offline Joined: Dec 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 113 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #1 Today at 7:08pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today at 5:57pm, coachhensley wrote:So do you guys have a plan yet? When will it be launched? Hi Coach, Stay tuned in the next month or so for updates, BUT, if it goes as the Experts have told us, then Yes.........ANY high school team in America will be able to follow our lead and use the A-11 offense in 2009 and beyond. kurtbryansucks New Member member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 1 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #3 Today at 8:00pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol you guys are idiots just give it up you money grubbing bastards if your kids are too small then don't field a team or get their lazy {censored} in the (assuming you didn't turn it into a business office) weight room. « Last Edit: Today at 8:06pm by kurtbryansucks » Link to Post - Back to Top Logged killer New Member member is online Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 5 Karma: 0 Re: Seceding from Fed? « Reply #4 Today at 8:07pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There really is no need for that...completely ignorant comment. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Which was the ignorant comment : Or this I couldn't really tell
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 19:34:24 GMT -6
Take your pick!
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Post by airitout616 on Feb 14, 2009 19:37:49 GMT -6
Kurt Bryan = Jim Jones
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Post by dal9000 on Feb 14, 2009 19:57:15 GMT -6
I really wonder what Piedmont's administration thinks about all this. It's gonna be really interesting when the AD and/or principal get involved.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2009 20:04:52 GMT -6
I really wonder what Piedmont's administration thinks about all this. It's gonna be really interesting when the AD and/or principal get involved. All the more reason that we need more TEACHERS as coaches. No offense to all of my non teaching brethren, but if football is going to fall in the educational wheel-house, then it needs to be run by educators. Of course, this doesn't seem to be the way things are headed...
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 20:06:21 GMT -6
Bryan and Humphries aren't teachers?
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2009 20:09:13 GMT -6
Bryan and Humphries aren't teachers? Humphries is a mortgage broker, and Bryan does marketing, promoting, and writes mystery novels.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 20:17:15 GMT -6
At least they aren't lawyers!
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Post by tog on Feb 14, 2009 20:21:15 GMT -6
i would love to comment more but I have to go watch some videos on blocking.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2009 20:27:31 GMT -6
i would love to comment more but I have to go watch some videos on blocking. You might need to take Kurt and Steve with you, tog! ;D Seriously...I think those two guys probably need a hug right now!
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Post by tog on Feb 14, 2009 20:49:03 GMT -6
I would love to comment more but I have to go hug Kurt Bryan now.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 14, 2009 21:37:17 GMT -6
I really wonder what Piedmont's administration thinks about all this. It's gonna be really interesting when the AD and/or principal get involved.
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Post by coachhensley on Feb 14, 2009 21:45:39 GMT -6
I really wonder what Piedmont's administration thinks about all this. It's gonna be really interesting when the AD and/or principal get involved. Hilarious...simply hilarious. And probably true.
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Post by mahonz on Feb 14, 2009 23:52:13 GMT -6
Thank you ... finally, someone gets it. I wonder if they regret the media blitz/innovation they tried to cram down everyone's throat. Had they simply run their offense rather than trying to catch lightning in a bottle, how would this had played out? But simply running the offense didn't seem to be their goal. Fathering (and being credited for it ) a movement did. Coach I believe that sums it all up right there. Had they just gone about their business in their own little corner of the football world...they would still be in business today. Coach Mike
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Post by coachhensley on Feb 15, 2009 0:04:26 GMT -6
Very true.
I think if they had just gone about their business running the A-11 (like you said) then people would have a sense of "sympathy" for a case to take away the eligeable/ineligeable numbers. Or at least if the NFHS would still close the loophole, it would take another 5-7 years if it hadn't spread like wildfire. Overall that would have been by far the better way to go.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 15, 2009 2:59:15 GMT -6
Everyone please, prepare to have some serious knowledge dropped on you...
ok lets just say they sue or something and are allowed to create their own federation (which i doubt will ever happen) how many teams would actually join it? Not many teams in the grand scheme of things run it at all, let alone enough to jump federations to keep it
Assuming the A-11 guys got their dream new perfect federation... Are they going to travel 500-1000 miles for every game. I live about 30 minutes from Piedmont HS and i don't know of another team in northern CA that is running it besides them. Who will they play???
Think about how many thousands of high school teams are out there... but when only maybe 1 percent, at the highest, would jump federations like that... not many teams to play and they wont be anywhere near each other.
The other thing i was thinking of, is what if each states federation wont allow them to leave. What if they tell the school, O.K. your football team can leave... but in that case we wont recognize any of your other sports programs in our federation either... NO principal in the country would let something like that fly
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Post by 19delta on Feb 15, 2009 7:11:23 GMT -6
Everyone please, prepare to have some serious knowledge dropped on you... ok lets just say they sue or something and are allowed to create their own federation (which i doubt will ever happen) how many teams would actually join it? Not many teams in the grand scheme of things run it at all, let alone enough to jump federations to keep it Assuming the A-11 guys got their dream new perfect federation... Are they going to travel 500-1000 miles for every game. I live about 30 minutes from Piedmont HS and i don't know of another team in northern CA that is running it besides them. Who will they play??? Think about how many thousands of high school teams are out there... but when only maybe 1 percent, at the highest, would jump federations like that... not many teams to play and they wont be anywhere near each other. The other thing i was thinking of, is what if each states federation wont allow them to leave. What if they tell the school, O.K. your football team can leave... but in that case we wont recognize any of your other sports programs in our federation either... NO principal in the country would let something like that fly Many people here and on other sites have been asking the exact same questions.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 15, 2009 8:09:14 GMT -6
Everyone please, prepare to have some serious knowledge dropped on you... ok lets just say they sue or something and are allowed to create their own federation (which i doubt will ever happen) how many teams would actually join it? Not many teams in the grand scheme of things run it at all, let alone enough to jump federations to keep it Assuming the A-11 guys got their dream new perfect federation... Are they going to travel 500-1000 miles for every game. I live about 30 minutes from Piedmont HS and i don't know of another team in northern CA that is running it besides them. Who will they play??? Think about how many thousands of high school teams are out there... but when only maybe 1 percent, at the highest, would jump federations like that... not many teams to play and they wont be anywhere near each other. The other thing i was thinking of, is what if each states federation wont allow them to leave. What if they tell the school, O.K. your football team can leave... but in that case we wont recognize any of your other sports programs in our federation either... NO principal in the country would let something like that fly Many people here and on other sites have been asking the exact same questions. Which is the main reason I would think that no schools will be leaving to join any type of new federation. I would think coaches from the other sport would get a bit ticked off if they are told that "Yeah sorry you can't compete for a state title, the football coach wants to run a certain offense that is illegal so we left the NFHS and our state kicked us out for other sports. Sorry..." I think they fail to realize that coaches come and go and change stuff from year to year. So why take the chance to leave then replace you A-11 coach possibly in a few years to be S.O.L
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Post by 19delta on Feb 15, 2009 8:18:41 GMT -6
The thing I don't get is why Kurt and Steve think that they are going to get schools that follow NFHS rules to play them.
If you are at a school that follows NFHS rules and doesn't allow the A-11 on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Downs, why would you schedule a game against a team that allows it? How could that POSSIBLY be in your program's best interests?
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 15, 2009 8:26:51 GMT -6
Are Barnum and Bailey answering any of these questions on their super duper A-11 site? Or are they just giving more of the same "wait and see, this is what the experts say, " crap.
I know a fool and his money soon go separate ways, but I would still be peeved if I were one of the idiots who plunked down some $$$ on the stuff they marketed by saying "Don't worry, all is well, we went through a long process of having it approved before, so everything will be great now" rather than tell the truth : "our force feeding media blitz has caused the closing of the loophole"
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Post by 19delta on Feb 15, 2009 9:36:02 GMT -6
Are Barnum and Bailey answering any of these questions on their super duper A-11 site? Or are they just giving more of the same "wait and see, this is what the experts say, " crap. I know a fool and his money soon go separate ways, but I would still be peeved if I were one of the idiots who plunked down some $$$ on the stuff they marketed by saying "Don't worry, all is well, we went through a long process of having it approved before, so everything will be great now" rather than tell the truth : "our force feeding media blitz has caused the closing of the loophole" No, they aren't. In fact, it seems that the chat room portion of the A-11 site is being heavily censored. There have been several posts over the past 48 hours questioning what Steve and Kurt are going to do about the NFHS clarification of the SKE. Every one of those posts has been deleted in very short order. Seems like Kurt and Steve don't want the people who shelled out $200+ for A-11 materials to go to the site and read anything contrary to the little fantasy world they are now promoting.
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Post by coachhensley on Feb 15, 2009 10:00:28 GMT -6
Are Barnum and Bailey answering any of these questions on their super duper A-11 site? Or are they just giving more of the same "wait and see, this is what the experts say, " crap. I know a fool and his money soon go separate ways, but I would still be peeved if I were one of the idiots who plunked down some $$$ on the stuff they marketed by saying "Don't worry, all is well, we went through a long process of having it approved before, so everything will be great now" rather than tell the truth : "our force feeding media blitz has caused the closing of the loophole" No, they aren't. In fact, it seems that the chat room portion of the A-11 site is being heavily censored. There have been several posts over the past 48 hours questioning what Steve and Kurt are going to do about the NFHS clarification of the SKE. Every one of those posts has been deleted in very short order. Seems like Kurt and Steve don't want the people who shelled out $200+ for A-11 materials to go to the site and read anything contrary to the little fantasy world they are now promoting. Your right, Kurt and Steve seem determined to sell some more DVD's and their new manual, as well maybe get lucky with a dumb sports magazine that declares them innovators (I say dumb because they wouldn't recognize the rule change). I put up a thread entitled "Seceding from Fed" I asked the if they had a plan, they said "Stay tuned in the next month or so for updates, BUT, if it goes as the experts have told us, then Yes......ANY high school team will be able to follow our lead and use the A-11 in 2009 and beyond." Then someone asked what the plan was.....He said they had talked to some schools and reviewed some plans. When I asked what the plans were and if he could name any schools he had talked to..........He deleted the thread.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 15, 2009 10:06:20 GMT -6
Your right, Kurt and Steve seem determined to sell some more DVD's and their new manual, as well maybe get lucky with a dumb sports magazine that declares them innovators (I say dumb because they wouldn't recognize the rule change). I put up a thread entitled "Seceding from Fed" I asked the if they had a plan, they said "Stay tuned in the next month or so for updates, BUT, if it goes as the experts have told us, then Yes......ANY high school team will be able to follow our lead and use the A-11 in 2009 and beyond." Then someone asked what the plan was.....He said they had talked to some schools and reviewed some plans. When I asked what the plans were and if he could name any schools he had talked to..........He deleted the thread. Well that is a shame. Can't say that I didn't recognize this trait or tactic when this whole thing started a year ago...because it was evident. Of course, at the time, I was labeled a narrow minded coward by the "inventors" of this offense. Men who, from the looks of things, have veered FAR from their stations as football coaches into the realm of full fledged marketeers and movement makers. With each passing moment, it seems they are more hell-bent on overseeing the creation of an entire new sport rather than coaching football. I just don't see how this is allowed at their SCHOOL. I know that at every school I have worked with, by this point, some parents would be saying " Umm.ENOUGH. Isn't it time you start planning for a loophole-less 2009 season??
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