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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 14:27:18 GMT -6
Anyone taking bets on how long before he decides he want's to play again ?
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Post by dolomite on Feb 11, 2009 16:00:06 GMT -6
How about this.. Anyone wanna give five reasons why he should be allowed to come back? The NFL, unfortunately, is a "what have you done for me lately", organization. Favre is done. Judging by his numbers compared to the former jets QB, that o'yeah, went to the playoffs, that no name guy thats in Miami... Whats his name?  Favre is over the hill and way past his prime. It's time to go. Maybe if he does grace the league with his presence he could go to Detroit.. I am sure they have a spot for him. |
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 11, 2009 16:46:49 GMT -6
People have said Favre is over the hill for about the last 6 years. What's happened is that he's become really inconsistent and streaky ever since Holmgren left GB.
As for him coming back... God only knows. The guy apparently loves to make teams grovel and make concessions to him every offseason. It wouldn't surprise me if he announces his "comeback" about a week before the season starts. You would think he'd have learned his lesson after last season.
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Post by dolomite on Feb 11, 2009 16:54:30 GMT -6
People have said Favre is over the hill for about the last 6 years. What's happened is that he's become really inconsistent and streaky ever since Holmgren left GB. As for him coming back... God only knows. The guy apparently loves to make teams grovel and make concessions to him every off season. It wouldn't surprise me if he announces his "comeback" about a week before the season starts. You would think he'd have learned his lesson after last season. Amen. It {censored} me off that he expect GB to just take him on the rooster and act like nothing happened. He retired and they made arrangements to move on. They are a professional franchise and they have an obligation to move forward. Kudos to them and shame on the fans that ridiculed GB for moving on to Rodgers. It was a smart decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 16:54:47 GMT -6
I just have that feeling he'll pop up somewhere. As long as the league can market the guy they don't care, what ever team he goes to sells out of merchandise in a few days. i wouldn't be at all suprised if he turned up anywhere, even here in Philly
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Post by dolomite on Feb 11, 2009 16:57:44 GMT -6
I just have that feeling he'll pop up somewhere. As long as the league can market the guy they don't care, what ever team he goes to sells out of merchandise in a few days. i wouldn't be at all suprised if he turned up anywhere, even here in Philly Don't get me started there.. McNabb has been needing to go for quite sometime. He's marketable and thats why he's there. They have a nice team they need a new QB. Free up some money for some better WR and bring in an upstart QB with no injury issues and watch out.. The eagles might win a ring.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 17:57:14 GMT -6
I hear you, I'm Philly born and raised..Though I don't think the idea of McNabb being marketable is the reason...he's actually a pretty good QB, but I'lll leave it at pretty good .
I don't think they'll ever win a championship (other than divisional) under this regime. If I get started now I'll hijack this thread.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 11, 2009 18:16:21 GMT -6
From a coaching perspective, having Favre on my team would drive me nuts.
I equate Favre to Barry Sanders. All or nothing.
When it comes to getting first downs, and being a consistent offense, there were problems.
The year the Packers won the Superbowl, they had the #1 defense in the league.
Favre is an amazing athlete, was at one point a great leader, has a cannon for an arm...but could never get away from being careless
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Post by airman on Feb 11, 2009 18:39:50 GMT -6
he will be in a vikings jersey come summer. He wants to stick it to the packers still.
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Post by fatkicker on Feb 13, 2009 13:01:13 GMT -6
one time my favorite player........because he played hard, and he always looked like he was having a good time....
he has become a joke.......either play or don't play......just make up your damn mind......
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Post by phantom on Feb 13, 2009 13:09:10 GMT -6
I never understood the animosity toward Favre concerning his retirement. Retiring from football is a big decision. Once you quit you never play again. My decision to stop playing was easy- the game told me to go. I still miss playing the game, though, and I can imagine how hard it would be to quit if it was my choice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 14:06:57 GMT -6
The instrument has not yet been invented that can measure my lack of interest in whether or not a guy my age still wants to get beat up every Sunday.
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Post by phantom on Feb 13, 2009 14:13:58 GMT -6
The instrument has not yet been invented that can measure my lack of interest in whether or not a guy my age still wants to get beat up every Sunday. LOl. At my age getting out of bed hurts. |
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Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 15:08:31 GMT -6
I never understood the animosity toward Favre concerning his retirement. Retiring from football is a big decision. Once you quit you never play again. My decision to stop playing was easy- the game told me to go. I still miss playing the game, though, and I can imagine how hard it would be to quit if it was my choice. I don't get it either. Not saying that Favre has handled everything right, but like you said, it's a tough decision. I personally like the guy's drive and competitive spirit. He's not the best QB ever, but he one of the best "football players" to ever play that position. A old, worn out Brett Favre is still better than half the QBs in the league. |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 15:25:51 GMT -6
Who is the best ever, then? Favre holds every record. How do you measure best? Statistically? Marino and Peyton Manning. In terms of winning? Elway, Montana and Unitas. Longevity? Tarkenton. However, put these 3 factors together and Favre's name starts to bubble to the top. Finally, I started thinking of all the talent that played along side these great quarterbacks. Granted, some very good players complemented Brett Favre, but no real superstars come to mind. Statistically Brett Favre is NFL's all-time leader in every significant career passing category - touchdowns (442), completions (5,377), attempts (8,758) and yards (61,555). Granted over 17 seasons, you're going to compile big numbers. However, what impresses me is the efficiency with which Favre accomplished this and the Packer's offensive system. He is the NFL's only three-time MVP Winning He's the all-time leader finishing his career with 160 wins. Since taking over as the Packers' starter in the fourth week of the 1992 season, he led Green Bay to a 160-93 regular-season record. That's the best in the NFL over that period. Favre has led the Packers to 11 NFL playoff appearances, including seven division crowns, four NFC Championship Games, two Super Bowls (winning Super Bowl XXXI). Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson: "[Brett Favre] has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League. He is able to walk away from the game on his own terms - not many players are able to do that. The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever." Longevity 17 seasons. But not end of story. Consider, 253 consecutive starts; 275 if you include the playoffs. This kind of durability borders on the mathematically impossible. Since September 27, 1992, When Favre started his streak, a total of 212 other quarterbacks have started an NFL game. www.ihavenet.com/brett-favre-retires-as-alltime-great-qb.html |
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Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 15:33:02 GMT -6
Who is the best ever, then? Favre holds every record. How do you measure best? Statistically? Marino and Peyton Manning. In terms of winning? Elway, Montana and Unitas. Longevity? Tarkenton. However, put these 3 factors together and Favre's name starts to bubble to the top. Finally, I started thinking of all the talent that played along side these great quarterbacks. Granted, some very good players complemented Brett Favre, but no real superstars come to mind. Statistically Brett Favre is NFL's all-time leader in every significant career passing category - touchdowns (442), completions (5,377), attempts (8,758) and yards (61,555). Granted over 17 seasons, you're going to compile big numbers. However, what impresses me is the efficiency with which Favre accomplished this and the Packer's offensive system. He is the NFL's only three-time MVP Winning He's the all-time leader finishing his career with 160 wins. Since taking over as the Packers' starter in the fourth week of the 1992 season, he led Green Bay to a 160-93 regular-season record. That's the best in the NFL over that period. Favre has led the Packers to 11 NFL playoff appearances, including seven division crowns, four NFC Championship Games, two Super Bowls (winning Super Bowl XXXI). Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson: "[Brett Favre] has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League. He is able to walk away from the game on his own terms - not many players are able to do that. The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever." Longevity 17 seasons. But not end of story. Consider, 253 consecutive starts; 275 if you include the playoffs. This kind of durability borders on the mathematically impossible. Since September 27, 1992, When Favre started his streak, a total of 212 other quarterbacks have started an NFL game. www.ihavenet.com/brett-favre-retires-as-alltime-great-qb.htmlI just don't think he's the best QB ever. Among the top? Sure. But what you posted sort of, in my mind, bolsters my argument that he's the greatest "football player" to ever play the position. |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 15:55:43 GMT -6
What the hell is the difference? Name a better QB and tell me the criteria! What is a QB? Leader? Passer? FOOTBALL PLAYER? ?? |
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Post by dal9000 on Feb 13, 2009 17:13:33 GMT -6
What is a QB? Leader? Passer? FOOTBALL PLAYER? ?? Bottom line? The QB is your passing specialist. No matter how good his leadership qualities are, he has to be good at that whole "passin' the football" thing or he won't see the field. (Obvious disclaimer goes here re. QBs not always being asked to pass very much. But we're talking about the NFL here; no one's running the Wing-T and passing it four times a game.) But I guess what I'm trying to say is that using intangibles to support an argument about the greatest QB ever is silly. Not that you've done that -- yet -- but I would have to think that actual on-the-field performance is the first and probably the last thing you should look at when you're judging QB quality. To that end: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm Poke around and enjoy. |
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Post by rattfink on Feb 13, 2009 17:17:41 GMT -6
I just don't think he's the best QB ever. Among the top? Sure. But what you posted sort of, in my mind, bolsters my argument that he's the greatest "football player" to ever play the position.
Sammy Baugh?
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 13, 2009 17:51:23 GMT -6
I don't think the struggles over his retirement is the issue fans take so much issue with, it's that he's done this every year for like 5 years in a row now and it's led to a lot of very unpleasant stories and accusations about him becoming public from 2 different teams now.
He does a good job of coming off as your ordinary guy from Mississippi in interviews, but all the stuff that's come out in the media the last few years about him insisting on a private locker room, telling the coaching staff what to do, saying one thing and then doing another, being distant and disrespectful to his teammates, yet still expecting everyone to kiss his butt and do whatever he says... that stuff just paints him as just another spoiled athlete who thinks it's all about him. When he doesn't get his way, he takes his grievances public and tries to turn the media and fans against his coaches and team. He may have won more than T.O. ever has, but this is still T.O. type behavior!
Yes, he's still a fine QB, but good Lord! At some point you just have to say "ENOUGH!!!" How many coaches on here would put up with that crap from the most phenomenal once in a lifetime athlete your school had ever seen??? Would you put up with that if you could somehow get Favre starting for your HS team?
Imagine if you had a player on your team who was a phenomenal QB, but a total spoiled brat. He led you to a couple of championships as a freshman and soph--even made All-American teams--but last year he regressed a bit and was a total jerk to his teammates. Now that player's saying "I don't know if I'll play here next year unless I get to pick the offensive coordinator and assistant coaches. Also, I want my own private locker room, won't go through spring practice or the summer conditioning program, and I don't want to have to associate with those stupid underclassmen." Now, you know this kid is great--easily the best QB and player you'll ever have-- and he brings a lot of media attention to your program and sells tickets, but what would you tell him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 20:06:58 GMT -6
I never understood the animosity toward Favre concerning his retirement. Retiring from football is a big decision. Once you quit you never play again. My decision to stop playing was easy- the game told me to go. I still miss playing the game, though, and I can imagine how hard it would be to quit if it was my choice. Right, once you quit you never play again...unless you're Favre that is. Then you come back 2 more times. I understand it being hard, I was taken out of the game, myself. But come on |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 21:05:54 GMT -6
He is not the only great player in the NFL to do it. Don't act like he is and he holds ALL major passing records! ALL!!!!!
That usually means BEST!
Brett Favre is NFL's all-time leader in every significant career passing category
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Post by dal9000 on Feb 13, 2009 21:20:20 GMT -6
Brett Favre is NFL's all-time leader in every significant career passing category Including interceptions.  |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 21:21:24 GMT -6
So What? He leads wins and TDs too! The guy had ONE D-I Scholarship offer, ONE!!!!!!!
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Post by dal9000 on Feb 13, 2009 21:38:50 GMT -6
So What? He leads wins and TDs too! The guy had ONE D-I Scholarship offer, ONE!!!!!!! Kurt Warner had zero D-I scholarship offers. Does that make him an even better NFL QB than Brett Favre?  I'll give you the all-time lead in TDs, but I really don't look at wins when evaluating a QB, because there are 21 other players on his team who also had a LITTLE bit to do with the outcome of the game. Actually, to take that thought a little further: nobody says a great running back is the ALL-TIME LEADER IN WINS!!!!, even though a really great RB could be every bit as vital to his offense as the man under center. Why is that? |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 22:03:48 GMT -6
Then how do you measure BEST? HE leads all major catagories of passers. ALL. He is the best. Maybe not your favorite, maybe not the one you would want out there but he is the BEST!
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Post by John Knight on Feb 14, 2009 15:45:04 GMT -6
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Favre is over the hill and way past his prime. It's time to go. Maybe if he does grace the league with his presence he could go to Detroit.. I am sure they have a spot for him.
