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Post by toprowguy on Feb 6, 2009 21:57:47 GMT -6
What are some of the biggest mistakes that first time head coaches make? How do you avoid these mistakes?
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Feb 6, 2009 22:16:40 GMT -6
Being in too big a hurry, things take time. Listening to too many people, not trusting yourself. Being too hard headed that you don't listen to anybody, being a arrogent jerk and begin too full of yourself. Not understanding to "pick your fights" carefully-you can't die on every hill. Being young and trying to be too "cool" with the kids. Being too football crazy and ignoring your family. Trying to please too many people. Thinking that winning is easy to do. Thinking that you will be in the championship game again soon. Not enjoying the winning while it is happening.
And my favorite. When you are good you're never as good as you think you are, and when you are bad you're never as bad as you think you are.
Is that enough for a couple of seconds?
OJW
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Post by cujo on Feb 6, 2009 22:34:49 GMT -6
don't take it personal when you lose. Outworking people is a great idea, but if his animals at his zoo are better than the animals at your zoo, there isn't much you can do.
ojw, i love all your post, you can't die on every hill, good advice
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Post by coachwilley on Feb 7, 2009 0:38:47 GMT -6
I'm in my 3rd year as HC, 5th overall.
I think I tried to be to democratic at my first three years, ie. leadership councils, meetings on everything, trying to please all the assistant coaches. Also as the prior coach pointed out...it's easy to want to be in real tight with the players. You love the good ones, and you want to make them happy. It doesn't happen like you would think...trying to be cool I mean...but you can lose discipline this way. In my upcoming years I think I'm going to try to be more like a dictator and less democratic...
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Post by airraider on Feb 7, 2009 1:44:56 GMT -6
These are some thoughts I wrote down as my first year as a head coach came to an end..
First and foremost.. The game is simple.. if you cannot block and tackle better than the other team.. YOU LOSE!!
Being a HC actually has very little to do with X's and O's..
You give me the best X's and O's guy and put him in a situation where he is not capable of dealing with the nuances of the situation around him.. and he will not be successful..
You have to have assistants you can trust.. not only trust to be on your side.. but trust to do what is asked of them.. and to be capable of doing what is asked of them.. They don't have to be the best coaches in the world.. but they have to be willing to do what is expected of them.. If not.. you will fail..
There are 3 components of a GOOD football player..
1. Football IQ.. he doesn't have to be the smartest person in the world.. but he needs to KNOW his assignment and be able to think within the confines of what you expect him to do. YOU as a staff have to make sure he KNOWS what and how to do his job.
2. Will and Determination.. You have to have players who want to win day in and day out.. if they do not want to win.. if its not important to them.. then its just a hobby for them.. you don't need those kind of players.. they will be the first to lay down when the going gets tough.. Always choose a football player over an athlete.
3. Physical ability.. Strength and Speed can be developed.. but there is a process.. Potential will always remain potential if not developed.. You have to work to get faster and stronger.. it doesn't just happen.. and if you are playing teams who are working while you are not.. then you will LOSE.
Never underestimate the importance of the little things.. Always ASSUME your players have NO idea about what you are saying.. break it down.. accentuate the positives and fix the negatives..
Yelling doesn't make it better.. learning has to be facilitated.. yelling at a player only puts distance between him and yourself.. you will need to bring him back in to facilitate that learning.. Keep him close by TALKING to him.. and teach him..
Only keep people around who care as much or as little as you do.. If you are there every Saturday and Sunday, then your assistants need to be willing to do the same.. If you do not want to work on weekends and after hours.. then don't hire guys who do.. because you are only holding them back from being successful..
You don't have to like the people you work for.. but you do need to respect them.. this is a two way street.. and as a HC you do not have to try to earn being liked by your assistants.. but you do need to do things that they will respect.
Never gripe about a problem that you yourself do not have a solution to. Griping for the benefit of griping is what fans do.. not coaches..
Kids are impressionable.. They will do as you do.. and say as you say.. that can be a good thing or a bad thing.. you choose..
and finally..
when you are up to your eyeballs in crap.. keep your mouth closed!!
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Post by bleefb on Feb 7, 2009 3:05:45 GMT -6
1.Don't assume that people you've worked with in the past will automatically work for you when you get the head job. 2. Don't have the "retired" previous coach still on campus decide he wants the job back and works with Booster Club behind the scenes to make it happen.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 7, 2009 4:44:54 GMT -6
Here are my own experiences:
1) Failure to focus on the relationships with UPPER CLASSMEN immediately- the upper classmen are often resentful of changes in leadership/policy/tradition/rules etc and if you are following a previously successful coach that can be difficult due to " thats not what we did last year" thinking. I did a great job getting the UNDER CLASSMEN on board quickly but it took some time to build the relationships with the older kids. I should have had a seniors only meeting to see if we could have worked together on keeping some traditions in place.
2) Forgetting that you were hired to make the DIFFICULT DECISIONS. Sharing difficulties (such as struggling with difficult personalities) with administrators may open the door to be micromanaged and second guessed. Its much better to take the approach "loose lips sink ships" and solve problems quickly, quietly and privately inside the program. You need to avoid appearing incompetent even if you are doing nothing more than communicating/venting.
3) Failure to quickly establish yourself as NO NONSENSE, NO BULL, NO EXCUSES. You might say it but really doing it is another matter. You might have to make a bigger splash than youd hope because if you are new some of the stronger personality kids will test you. You need to be the alpha male and squash it quickly. Sometimes jumping a kids butt at the first sight of insubordination IS BETTER than the soft 'let me show you the light" approach.
4) similar to point #3, THINKING YOU CAN CURE CANCER, bs, just get rid of it. period. Your program is better off with those that fall in line quickly rather than struggling and using energy to deal with the one or two idiots pulling on the wrong end of the rope. This is one of the things a new coach must get right quickly or everything positive he his doing can go unnoticed. Focus on the kids who are doing what you ask and get rid of the others quickly. Do not even consider someones football or athletic ability until you examine their "coachability".
5) TRYING TO DO TOO MUCH ALONE- Teach your assistants, if it means spending an hour after every practice in coaching meetings DO IT. You cant coach alone. TRUST YOURSELF - do things your way and insist others do things your way, consider suggestions but ignore things that go against your own personal philosophies. Be demanding of your assistants. Do not be wishy washy. Steer the ship remembering that a Captain earns his reputation during the storms.
6) FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE THE SCOPE OF THE JOB- Be organized from A-Z and carry your schedule book with you everywhere. Do not open an email until you have time to deal with whatever bs it might include. Do not answer the phone unless you have the time to deal with whoever is on the other end of the line. Handle papers once. Make sure you have at least 6 clip boards hanging up before you even start! Get faculty, housekeeping, maintenance, kitchen staff, administration, boosters, other coaches on your side as soon as possible. Have them go to you right away if your kids are out of line anywhere.
7) LETTING SLACKER PARENTS/PLAYERS undermine you- I had a parent and child work together to make me miserable to start the year. Kid and Mom had numberous contigencies for kid to play, couldnt show up for two weeks due to special school, couldnt practice on such and such a date due to previous engagements, couldnt and couldnt and couldnt. Kid is talented, ends up ineligible and quits. Mom runs around town blaming time demands of program!!! The correct approach might have been " kid has to be at camp, has to practice on those days or he is simply over extended and cant meet OUR requirements" Its not pee wee or ms football where you need to bend and bend for kids. Its freaking varsity football and its time consuming YEAR ROUND.
Notice I do not have one xs and os mistake up there. Not one. We had a good first year that was marred (to me) by an early strain on me due to dealing with a few tough kids. one of them sat in my office the other day regretting the way he acted the first 4-5 weeks of the season. I cant blame him completely because in so many ways I allowed it.
For me, year two is focused on developing my staff, having more "alpha male" in my approach and completely eliminating distractions/cancerous personality types. Leadership is critical. Having a plan is wonderful but it takes someone to steer the ship and prevent mutiny from those that do not want to go. Year two is also about staying with what I believe in. When someone asks about 'what new plays" or 'what new schemes" I just say "we stick with what works and work on what doesnt until it does".
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 7, 2009 5:58:55 GMT -6
I would have liked to edit my post to include this:
A first year mistake that I made that had longer effects include FAILING TO INSIST THAT ALL PLAYERS SIGN MY PLAYER CONTRACT AND HAND THEM IN PRIOR TO PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM. I really did a very nice job of laying out expectations, had a meeting with parents and players and covered the manual which described our program. Of course some of the seniors missed the meeting and ultimately they were the ones who "didnt know". Two weeks into the season I made every one sit in the gym and I read the manual to them slowly one page at a time. I was pretty ticked off that "didnt know" was used as an excuse when Id already done the work twice to make sure they did know.
My suggestion is to put expectations in writing and have players sign off. Hold them accountable. Ignorance can not be an excuse if a player has signed off on the expectations. Its also a great idea to have all of the coaches present so they hear it and participate in signing off.
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Post by gldnglv165 on Feb 7, 2009 6:39:15 GMT -6
Lots of good points made already. I would also say that when dealing with kids they need you to be the coach, not their buddy. They already have plenty of friends (hopefully you do too)!
Another thing I like to think, when keeping things in perspective is.... there have been many other coaches at this school before me (coaching isn't rocket science), and there will be many coaches at this school after me (the program is bigger than me, not vice versa).
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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 7, 2009 8:14:25 GMT -6
Not Running option enough Passing too much which resulted in longer games (pass game was not too good) Not putting my best player at QB Did I say not running option?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 7, 2009 9:31:16 GMT -6
What they said, and: Accepting help from the wrong people. They always expect a "favor" in return.
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 7, 2009 18:01:54 GMT -6
The one that was hard when I was younger, is still tempting to this day...Do not play players that do not come to practice. Excused or not. It sends the message to the rest of the team that your motivation is to only win. It will spread a cancer through your team like wild fire. My approach is, "if you miss practice, for any reason, you will be the last one in at your position" and "I'm going to play the kids that deserve to play." (The ones that go to practice everyday). I've worked for coaches that would let a kid miss practice, and they'd still play that kid on game night. If a kid misses a practice for an unexcused reason, they do not dress that week. I also follow a "three strikes and your out" policy to get rid of the flaky kids. Kids that miss practice are highly unlikely to make it through the season, or they usually are the ones that end up getting in trouble. One other piece of advice for a new head coach...don't let a situation like a kid missing practice bring negative emotion on display. Stick to whatever policy you have, and coach up the next kid in line.
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Post by chadp56 on Feb 7, 2009 19:27:03 GMT -6
Here are my own experiences: 1) Failure to focus on the relationships with UPPER CLASSMEN immediately- the upper classmen are often resentful of changes in leadership/policy/tradition/rules etc and if you are following a previously successful coach that can be difficult due to " thats not what we did last year" thinking. I did a great job getting the UNDER CLASSMEN on board quickly but it took some time to build the relationships with the older kids. I should have had a seniors only meeting to see if we could have worked together on keeping some traditions in place. I agree with this 100%. These seniors will only have one senior year, do what you can to help them with the transition. If they have been successful as coach said, this is something that they didn't want to happen, especially in the midst of their last chance to play ball. Whatever you can do to minimize change and bring them on board, is the right thing to do. Maybe keep some of the traditions, plays, terminology, etc. After a year or two, your way will be the only way. But if you go in with that attitude to start, you will probably end up with a lot of conflict.
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Post by airraider on Feb 7, 2009 19:38:05 GMT -6
The one that was hard when I was younger, is still tempting to this day...Do not play players that do not come to practice. Excused or not. It sends the message to the rest of the team that your motivation is to only win. It will spread a cancer through your team like wild fire. My approach is, "if you miss practice, for any reason, you will be the last one in at your position" and "I'm going to play the kids that deserve to play." (The ones that go to practice everyday). I've worked for coaches that would let a kid miss practice, and they'd still play that kid on game night. If a kid misses a practice for an unexcused reason, they do not dress that week. I also follow a "three strikes and your out" policy to get rid of the flaky kids. Kids that miss practice are highly unlikely to make it through the season, or they usually are the ones that end up getting in trouble. One other piece of advice for a new head coach...don't let a situation like a kid missing practice bring negative emotion on display. Stick to whatever policy you have, and coach up the next kid in line. I am more of the thought that no show, no call.. no play.. If a kid calls.. he will have to run a quarter the next day.. but he can still play.. no call, no show.. you miss 1 half.. Maybe with different kids I could run a tighter ships.. but some rules will hurt you before they hurt the kids..
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Post by CoachCP on Feb 8, 2009 0:24:00 GMT -6
I am more of the thought that no show, no call.. no play.. If a kid calls.. he will have to run a quarter the next day.. but he can still play.. no call, no show.. you miss 1 half.. Maybe with different kids I could run a tighter ships.. but some rules will hurt you before they hurt the kids.. I agree. Sometimes even the best intentioned kids have to miss. If it becomes habit, then something might change, but I'm not benching Mr. Hard Work for missing a single practice if he has a pretty legit excuse. So I agree with Airraider, and thats how I envision running my program eventually when I become a HC.
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 8, 2009 7:16:44 GMT -6
Biggest mistake I made was that I tried to be like other great HCs I knew. I wasn't ME the first year or two. Once I figured this out kids had more fun as did I.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 8, 2009 7:23:36 GMT -6
This is an interesting swing in the topic. At what point does "find a way to win" mean more than teaching life lessons? I mean I am under tremendous pressure to win games. We did not look very good in our scrimmages or first game because I would not play the kids who missed summer camp and workouts. Sending the message in the first year could be as detrimental to my job as it was beneficial for the program. We had some good athletes sitting the pine or getting only spot duty while some marginal athletes were getting time because they earned it. The losing and lack of performance brings morale way down, maybe more so than playing a kid who missed practices and weights. What do you all think? Where does it really pay off and where does it really hurt? Some community folks just want to win and in any way possible. I wonder how many times coaches who use playing time as leverage end up losing games and ultimately losing their jobs because of it???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 8:15:07 GMT -6
Forgetting that it's not all x's and o's.
Coming in unprepared
Not listening to your players, and assiatants
Not being able to learn from mistakes (losses arent always bad)
Forgetting to enjoy coaching
The biggest mistake you can EVER make is to try to please everyone
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Post by coachorr on Feb 8, 2009 10:40:15 GMT -6
"The biggest mistake you can EVER make is to try to please everyone."
AMEN!
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Post by tango on Feb 8, 2009 11:00:31 GMT -6
Next year will be my 15th season as a head coach. I know a lot more about football now. I'm not sure I'm as good of a coach. Stay simple and believe in what you are doing. Sometimes your brain will fill up with all these great ideas. Block, tackle, play hard with discipline, don't turn the ball over, and have fun. Get them to believe and you will be successful. Make sure your OL coach is on the same page and can do the job and will do the job. I'm the OL coach. Old coach said to me always be sound no gimmicks and the hell with everyone in the stands.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 8, 2009 18:36:43 GMT -6
I would say roughly 80% or more of the jobs you get for the first time require that you "CHANGE THE CULTURE"....
Now this might not ALAYS be the case but often I am sure it is... There is a reason why the job is vacant and it usually is because "Suff was not getting done tight".... Bottom line.
Some mistakes to try and avoid - 1. HIRE A LOYAL, LOYAL STAFF!!! This is a must because that first year there will be bumps on the road.
2. Stick to your philosophy and mission statement - Wins will come but you have to get the house in order first... Usually the house is very, very messy and it is going to take time to do this. Do not get caught up with how any wins you have (Check your ego at the door.... Remember it is not about YOU, it is about the kids).
3. Do not compromise you core beliefs - Stick to your guns, especially with tough decisions. Players will respect you and the message will resonate through your program for years.....
4. Run what you know - Do not out think yourself.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 8, 2009 19:02:40 GMT -6
OJW, TDmaker Bigm Tango and others great comments thanks.
One more thing, if a cancer cuts himself, let him come back to you and talk don't search him out and tell him to think about it.
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Feb 9, 2009 7:46:27 GMT -6
1. Don't expect to win - in fact, tell yourself that you may have a zero win team and any win is just a bonus.
2. Fire everyone on the staff and may them re-apply for the positions - this takes administrative support, but if you have a detailed outline of expectations it will help you.
3. Somehow.................surround yourself with a loyal staff.
4. Don't worry about websites and sh*t like that - only focus on the lifting and commitment.
Not on the list, but I learned the hard way. Never take a job when the previous head coach is still in the building and buddies with all of the assistant coaches, especially if they are in the same department as with my situation.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 9, 2009 7:49:23 GMT -6
Ditto on that last point. I have made that same mistake and it was EXCRUCIATING!
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Post by wolson on Feb 9, 2009 13:58:37 GMT -6
don't make X's and O's complicated you don't have to prove to everyone how smart you are and sometimes you do not have an answer when they are BFS than you - pick a system and stick to it-you can't scheme your way out of everything don't read the paper or local online blogs- it is absolutley pointless and a waste of time and turn off your cell phone when you are home-it will make your wife happier don't take yourself too seriously- it is a game- it is not more important than your health of family be careful not to get caught up in the "outworking" the other coach concept- we are not college or pro coaches- we need not sleep in the office if you have bad players- you killing yourself will not make them better- be obsessed with getting better fundamentally- schemes will come later
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Feb 9, 2009 19:43:47 GMT -6
Hire the right people. Do your homework on ALL personnel.
Try to make the town folk happy. Even the smallest things. They can make your like miserable.
Stick to your guns.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 20:53:58 GMT -6
I should've added this before...Never slam anyone for making mistakes.
I tell my kids this every year, I expect them to make mistakes, I want them to make mistakes, and yes they're going to make mistakes, just be ready to tell me what the mistake they made was, and why. Then they have to fix the mistake, we tell tthem they owe the team.
The last thing I want is a kid to be scared I'm going to rip his head off for screwing up , when I myself have made far worse mistakes in my life....Never forget that
This was probably one of the best lessons I ever learned from my dad Coaching wise.
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Post by shortpunter on Feb 11, 2009 8:46:42 GMT -6
Never read your own press or forums... most people who post negative comments hide behind screen names and have little idea of the truth Never take a job when the ex bitter head coach is the AD. At least he lived up on his promise to make my life miserable. Be selective for the first job, jumping on a sinking ship is nevera good idea shortpunters-singlewing.1freecart.com/
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