warhog
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Post by warhog on Feb 6, 2009 9:13:13 GMT -6
You guys ever mark a kid inelligible or have one of you assistants mark one or more of your athletes where they could not participate? If you have explain and what happened to the coach that failed the kid?
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Post by phantom on Feb 6, 2009 9:20:51 GMT -6
I didn't teach and coach at the same school so my vote on the poll would be irrelevant. I will say this- if a kid doesn't have enough respect for the program to pass a coach's class then why would you want him anyway?
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 6, 2009 9:30:27 GMT -6
I echo Phantom - if the kid isn't putting in enough effort to pass a coach's class, what is he doing in his others? Why would there be a consequence for the coach that gave the kid the grade he deserved? As an educator, I find this question offensive. We are working with Student/Athletes, not vice versa.
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Post by tribepride on Feb 6, 2009 9:56:48 GMT -6
If they don't have the points they will fail my class. I don't care if it's one of our starters or a dip-stick. I will remind them at practice about their performance in the classroom but I will not "give a break" to a player. I rarely have seen a player fail because of lack of ability, it is almost always lack of effort. No sympathy from me or the rest of the teaching and coaching staff.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 6, 2009 10:05:27 GMT -6
Teachers/coaches do not fail kids- kids fail themselves. If your expectation is they take care of business in the classroom then you cut them slack in your class when they do not what message have you set them?
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 6, 2009 10:29:53 GMT -6
Our best player couldn't play for the 1st part of the season the last 2 years because he failed my summer school class. EVERY DAY I would warn him that he wasn't gonna be able to play if he didn't pull his head out... but he didn't listen.
Obviously my class isn't the only one he screws around in since he has been ineligilble at 4 or 5 different grading periods.
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Post by calicoachh on Feb 6, 2009 10:30:41 GMT -6
accountability, accountability, accountability
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warhog
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Post by warhog on Feb 6, 2009 10:53:55 GMT -6
If I have a kid with a 57 or 58 average I WILL find a way to motivate that kid, whether it be in the classroom or running extra after practice. There will be extra credit work, bonus points whatever to help that kid be successful. I WOULD NOT mark a kid that is working in class and is unable to pass. IF he is a drut. won't work is making no attempt his a$$ will fail. Now if I worked at a place where 99% of the student/athletes I have should pass then I might change my philosophy; however I do not work at that place. I hold my athletes accountable but I motivate them to get their work done. I am sorry if some of you get offended at this question. I still think it is a valid issue - motivate motivate motivate
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Post by amikell on Feb 6, 2009 11:11:17 GMT -6
No one said anything about not motivating kids. Motivating is what we should do for each and every one of our students regardless of whether they are an athlete or not. Will you give the non athletes extra credit if they are in the same boat? I would also ask, are you giving the other kids the "bonus points" to pass?
The way you phrased the poll seemed to ask if the kid was failing would you pass him.
the way you phrased it in your post was better, [glow=red,2,300]"what happened to the coach that failed the kid?" [/glow]
I would ask the question, do you work harder to get your football player through the class than the other students?
You imply that when a student fails, the teacher failed the student, by not finding a way to motivate him/her. To a certain degree, I agree with you. However, there is a point at which it is the student's responsibility to motivate his/herself. If a kid fails my Geography class, it's b/c they CHOOSE to do so. If a student, athlete or otherwise shows the effort to pass they will pass. I reward work ethic.
I also treat all kids equally. I don't treat them the same, but I try to find each kid's button and push it. Athletes get no special/different treatment.
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warhog
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Post by warhog on Feb 6, 2009 11:28:50 GMT -6
In my class all students are treated fairly and equally. I work extra for the kids that show they want the help. I try and advocate harder for those kids without advocates. i.e. those with no daddy. I try and structure my class that it is harder to fail than it is to pass. Do your work you pass. Don't do the work you fail. I STRONGLY agree that if a student fails the teacher has failed!
Now, I also agree that there are some kids that will not be motivated. Those are the kids as long as I have done what I can, I have no problem with failing those. But in 15 years of teaching I have not had very many of those. My job as a teacher is to find a way for all the students to be successful. That is my goal.
I am sooo tired of coaches getting grief for fighting for the kids that they deal with. Is that special treatment. Well our BPA, and band and choir sponsors fight for their kids is that special treatment. Our spanish club and academic team sponsors fight for their kids is that special treatment. I treat every student that walks through my door equally to the best of my ability. If a kid wants help I give it. If a kid asks for help I give it. Don't give me HELL over fighting a little harder for those kids that have a factor in deciding where my family is going to live and whether or not my family is happy because the teams I am involved in my be getting their arse beat. I try to be an advocate and I am sorry if people get their panties in a wad because I try and help a kid be successful. Whether it means not marking a kid that just doesn't have the mental faculties or parent support at home. If you don't fight for your kids I really doubt your committment!
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Post by phantom on Feb 6, 2009 11:47:36 GMT -6
You asked a loaded question then got mad when we didn't give you the answer you wanted. Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.
Who here said that a coach shouldn't work for his kids?
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Post by mc140 on Feb 6, 2009 12:16:14 GMT -6
I teach Math and I have never and will never failed a kid who does the the follwong three things.
1. Does their Homework
2. Behaves.
3. Seems to try.
I had a student a few years ago who almost never passed a test. Kid would be taking lower level Math in HS but nothing you can do when your a one classroom per grade, grade school. I gave him a D all four quarters.
Chances are if an Athlete fails his coaches class he is not doing these things.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 6, 2009 14:17:16 GMT -6
I've been teaching for 24 years and 99% of kids who fail do so because THEY do not make the effort to pass. THEY do not complete assignments, THEY do not prepare for tests, THEY do not seek tutoring or other help and THEY often miss a great deal more days then the average student. When THEY fail for those reasons then the teacher has hardly failed as well.
I'll gladly meet any kid half way in helping them to be successful but I ain't doing it for them.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 8, 2009 18:58:54 GMT -6
I have had athletes fail PE and Health. Its a no brainer. I am a teacher, I am teaching them life lessons, not just football.
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Post by touchdowng on Feb 8, 2009 20:02:47 GMT -6
Hey Warhog
Interesting poll question. However, I'm wondering if you are asking the question to see if what you are doing (fighting extra hard for your players) can be justified through results from this site.
IF you are that pretty much tells you what you should be doing and you probably already know the RIGHT answer, poll or no poll.
Fight EQUALLY hard for all students, not just the ones who put on pads so your family can stay where you're presently at. That could be a big compromise and one that you can't feel good about because it isn't value driven.
Not judging you unless you are only fighting extra hard for your players. That would be wrong no matter how the results of your poll come out.
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warhog
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Post by warhog on Feb 9, 2009 11:50:59 GMT -6
Sorry, didn't mean to vent. I am not wanting to justify MY philosophy. It is what it is and I really don't think that anyone on here can change it.
Have had a situation this year; not involving me or the kids I coach. But kids in the lower grades involved in athletics. Without giving you the mini-series version. New young coach keeping kids from participating with a 57, 58 and 59 average. Now that seemed to me unreasonable. The kids involved seemed to be really good kids. Respectful and pleasant to be around and as far as I observed worked their tail off in practice. I am unaware of any attempt at physical motivation. Since they are athletes I would expect "you will run everyday after practice until you are passing. " kind of thing. From what I have read I think I am on the same page as some or most of those that are posting. Eligibilty is a real battle in my district and I guess I have a chip on my shoulder. sorry again.
I was interested to see what other coaches feel about the subject. Granted the poll question was not worded very well. My excuse; I was trying to make it short.
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Post by coachwilley on Feb 9, 2009 12:17:57 GMT -6
If one of my players is doing poorly in my class I take it very personal. I will put him on the downlist and then I will tell him that it's disrespectful and an embarrassement that he ineligable in his COACHES class. I make them feel like if they don't respect me enough in the classroom then they must not respect me on the field. I've never had a student who didn't make himself elligible after that.
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