coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 23, 2009 14:21:22 GMT -6
highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=903780A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.
Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.
"It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened," Kyle Queal, the head of the school, said in a statement, adding the forfeit was requested because "a victory without honor is a great loss."
The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime. I know this is a football coaches board, but I am just amazed by this report. It is kind of crazy to have the score get up that high in a basketball game. I don't know what I would say to the team in this situation.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Jan 23, 2009 15:11:37 GMT -6
Yeah but how does the other team not score at all in basketball? I have seen some bad basketball, and even have coached some church league and never have seen a team not score. We won the championship three years in a row, but never had a team score less than 20 in 8 minute quarters. Maybe the other school should think about if they need to have a team if they can't score any points. You would think that there would be a free throw or something.
Can't really blame the fans, how often do you get to see 100 scored in a high school game. I go to a lot of the games, and have never seen it. The most I have ever seen is high 80's against our rivals in a game for the region title.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 23, 2009 15:12:40 GMT -6
Saw this. Being a coach at a Christian school I can understand the admin's reaction. But when I was young (long long ago)I might have been caught up in the idea of scoring 100. But, I wouldn't have been left alone with my own basketball team with no ADULTS in the building. I don't mean "adults" by age, simply by maturity.
The coach, and the coach alone is responsible for this. I couldn't imagine a situation where this coach would be retained.
OJW
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Post by bleefb on Jan 23, 2009 15:29:53 GMT -6
Apparently they pressed almost the entire game and the other team couldn't get the ball across half court. These margins aren't that uncommon in Girls basketball. I think if it had been 99-2 it wouldn't have made the paper, but would still be wrong.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 15:38:53 GMT -6
If I was the coach of the team with 0 points I would not accept the forfeit victory.
It is not the other coaches job to stop scoring.
mark my words, there will be a day where like gold there will be a team handicap and you will spot the other team points. call it affrimative action for sports. great football teams might have to spot the other team 2,3,4, or 5 tds.
outcome based education for football it will be. IN OBE 2x2 can equal 8 as long as you feel good about your answer.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Jan 23, 2009 15:41:39 GMT -6
I may have missed it in the article, but what is the size difference between the two schools? Also, the state may want to rethink this. "There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided."
There should be something that could be done. Calhoun County hs here in SC is a boys basketball powerhouse that scores over 100 with some regularity and have won by scores like 137-21, 144-21, 110-20, 112-18 in the past few years. They had a 70 something game winning streak that ended earlier this year, but I think that there should be someway of keeping scores closer than that, I mean who needs to win by 123 points?
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Post by bleefb on Jan 23, 2009 15:43:22 GMT -6
It's all about the stats, baby!! ;D
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Post by bigdog2003 on Jan 23, 2009 15:44:13 GMT -6
If I was the coach of the team with 0 points I would not accept the forfeit victory. It is not the other coaches job to stop scoring. mark my words, there will be a day where like gold there will be a team handicap and you will spot the other team points. call it affrimative action for sports. great football teams might have to spot the other team 2,3,4, or 5 tds. outcome based education for football it will be. IN OBE 2x2 can equal 8 as long as you feel good about your answer. I could really see that happening if society continues this make everyone feel good about themselves deal. Coached in a youth football league two years ago that didn't keep score so that no one had to lose. Didn't know it until the coaches meeting the week of the first practice.
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Post by phantom on Jan 23, 2009 16:06:12 GMT -6
If I was the coach of the team with 0 points I would not accept the forfeit victory. It is not the other coaches job to stop scoring. mark my words, there will be a day where like gold there will be a team handicap and you will spot the other team points. call it affrimative action for sports. great football teams might have to spot the other team 2,3,4, or 5 tds. outcome based education for football it will be. IN OBE 2x2 can equal 8 as long as you feel good about your answer. I could really see that happening if society continues this make everyone feel good about themselves deal. Coached in a youth football league two years ago that didn't keep score so that no one had to lose. Didn't know it until the coaches meeting the week of the first practice. My son played in a fall baseball league that didn't keep score. All of the kids knew the score, though.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 16:07:25 GMT -6
If I was the coach of the team with 0 points I would not accept the forfeit victory. It is not the other coaches job to stop scoring. mark my words, there will be a day where like gold there will be a team handicap and you will spot the other team points. call it affirmative action for sports. great football teams might have to spot the other team 2,3,4, or 5 TD. outcome based education for football it will be. IN OBE 2x2 can equal 8 as long as you feel good about your answer. I could really see that happening if society continues this make everyone feel good about themselves deal. Coached in a youth football league two years ago that didn't keep score so that no one had to lose. Didn't know it until the coaches meeting the week of the first practice. I totally agree with you. As we move away from a competition based society toward the Utopian collectivist society like the former soviet union is when you will see this. right now in Congress our government is preparing to take away your health care choices and force you into a government controlled health care plan. just found out today that 600 million of the new economic stimulus package is a campaign to prepare the people of the USA for universal death care.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 16:33:33 GMT -6
I really don't know what any of that has to do with this game. I think airman and bigdog are missing the point. The point isn't the fact the game was 100-0, the point is how the winning team went about it. You can win a game 100-0 and do the right thing; apparantly this team was displaying very poor sportsmanship in attaining the victory.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 23, 2009 16:39:33 GMT -6
The team they played was a "Special Needs" school. The losing team has cancelled the rest of its games. Horray for the stud coach that won 100-0, his reaction to the score "It just Happened". Way to go coach, Im sure Duke will be calling you very soon. What a buffoon and what a great witness he showed in his actions and response.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 16:51:42 GMT -6
I really don't know what any of that has to do with this game. I think airman and bigdog are missing the point. The point isn't the fact the game was 100-0, the point is how the winning team went about it. You can win a game 100-0 and do the right thing; apparantly this team was displaying very poor sportsmanship in attaining the victory. if as a coach cheering your players on is bad sportsmanship we are in trouble. If taking 3pt shots in is some how bad in the second half we are in trouble. this is the same mentality which says you should never throw the ball in football if you are up on the score board. this type of thinking only hurts the kids of today. life is not fair. life will chew you up and spit you out. why do you think the number of 20 somethings who have college degrees are living in their parents basement. they are not prepared for real life. the school they were playing should not even be fielding a team to be honest. they have not won a game ever and as for special needs they are ADD and ADHD kids. not like they are real special needs kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 16:59:15 GMT -6
Now, you're just making stuff up--I don't think anyone is objecting to cheering on his team. It's objecting to the fullcourt press and the methods used to get a 100-0 victory. It's running up the score and in poor taste no matter how you cut it. If you don't see this, I feel truely sorry for you.
BTW, I wouldn't accept the forfeit victory either. That doesn't in any way make what happened right.
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Post by phantom on Jan 23, 2009 17:02:28 GMT -6
There's no reason to be running a full court press press and jacking up threes when you're up 59-0 at halftime on a team that had several players whod never played the game before.
As for the coach who was getting excited about the "big win" hers's a sporting event I'm sure he'd enjoy.
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Post by k on Jan 23, 2009 17:18:23 GMT -6
I totally agree with you. As we move away from a competition based society toward the Utopian collectivist society like the former soviet union is when you will see this. right now in Congress our government is preparing to take away your health care choices and force you into a government controlled health care plan. just found out today that 600 million of the new economic stimulus package is a campaign to prepare the people of the USA for universal death care. What was the anthem of the Conservative for eight years while Bush was spitting on American values? Oh yeah Elections have consequences. Not really shocked that a thread full of people defending a 100-0 score in high school would also shift it into a rah-rah Conservative political thread.
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Post by phantom on Jan 23, 2009 17:25:58 GMT -6
I totally agree with you. As we move away from a competition based society toward the Utopian collectivist society like the former soviet union is when you will see this. right now in Congress our government is preparing to take away your health care choices and force you into a government controlled health care plan. just found out today that 600 million of the new economic stimulus package is a campaign to prepare the people of the USA for universal death care. What was the anthem of the Conservative for eight years while Bush was spitting on American values? Oh yeah Elections have consequences. Not really shocked that a thread full of people defending a 100-0 score in high school would also shift it into a rah-rah Conservative political thread. There were four posts defending the 100-0 score, two each by two different guys. That doesn't constitute a "thread full". If this thread becomes a political debate it will disappear.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 17:44:24 GMT -6
Now, you're just making stuff up--I don't think anyone is objecting to cheering on his team. It's objecting to the fullcourt press and the methods used to get a 100-0 victory. It's running up the score and in poor taste no matter how you cut it. If you don't see this, I feel truely sorry for you. BTW, I wouldn't accept the forfeit victory either. That doesn't in any way make what happened right. seeing how every person has a different view people could say any method which seeks to move the football when up by a large score as not acceptable. the merely will to make a first down would then dictate you are hurting the other team. what we have is accepted paradigms based why what a person feels or thinks. for years merely attempting a forward pass was seen as rubbing it in the other teams face. in football it is accepted by coaches that running up the score is okay as long as you do it a certin way. you run the ball and that is accepted by coaches. somehow this is seen as your earned. now if you are a throwing team and you score a td in the 4th quarter with your subs on a long pass you are seen as rubbing it in. really what we should all say is" take offense to nothing". when this is instilled it is not about you. you do not get upset. when you coach against the other guy that is when you get upset. when you place your moral and values upon him is when you get upset. you say he should have scored less or whatever you want to say. It really is a personal point of view. the only time I can say one is really running up the score is if they have their starters in the game and the other team has subbed. if your team cannot stop my JV from scoring it is not my job to stop them. I think it is not right to ask your subs to lay down so the other team can may be score and feel good about themselves. I come from the MIKE LEACH theory of football. It is your job to stop us.
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coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 23, 2009 17:46:00 GMT -6
Yeah my post wasn't for political purposes. Just I don't know what I could say to the kids after a loss like this.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 17:49:08 GMT -6
I totally agree with you. As we move away from a competition based society toward the Utopian collectivist society like the former soviet union is when you will see this. right now in Congress our government is preparing to take away your health care choices and force you into a government controlled health care plan. just found out today that 600 million of the new economic stimulus package is a campaign to prepare the people of the USA for universal death care. What was the anthem of the Conservative for eight years while Bush was spitting on American values? Oh yeah Elections have consequences. Not really shocked that a thread full of people defending a 100-0 score in high school would also shift it into a rah-rah Conservative political thread. not shifting the thread at all. just stating there is a political culture in this country which seeks to punish the successful and reward the unsuccessful. so instead of taking responsibility for ones own thoughts and feeling they blame others for the loss. the kids on the team with 0 points saw it as a learning experience. IT is when adults who seek to be modern day robinhoods in the desire to eliminate pain and suffering inorder to make people feel good is only setting kids up for failure. It has been proven the self esteem movement has done more harm then good. self esteem is earned though winning and becoming a champion not by saying I feel good today like stewart similie.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 23, 2009 17:49:09 GMT -6
I really don't know what any of that has to do with this game. I think airman and bigdog are missing the point. The point isn't the fact the game was 100-0, the point is how the winning team went about it. You can win a game 100-0 and do the right thing; apparantly this team was displaying very poor sportsmanship in attaining the victory. if as a coach cheering your players on is bad sportsmanship we are in trouble. If taking 3pt shots in is some how bad in the second half we are in trouble. this is the same mentality which says you should never throw the ball in football if you are up on the score board. this type of thinking only hurts the kids of today. life is not fair. life will chew you up and spit you out. why do you think the number of 20 somethings who have college degrees are living in their parents basement. they are not prepared for real life. the school they were playing should not even be fielding a team to be honest. they have not won a game ever and as for special needs they are ADD and ADHD kids. not like they are real special needs kids. Ive not heard of anyone anywhere say you shouldnt throw if you are ahead by 1 point or more. Over reach. No one ever has ever said to anyone here not to cheer your kids on when ahead big, over reach. No one said you cant ever toss up a three when ahead, anywhere, over reach. ADHD and ADD kids are extremely difficult to coach, when EVERY PLAYER is one. 100-0 is indefensible and they DID press in the second half. Im sure this coach humiliating the other team to the point they toss in the towel for the season is a great feather to have in ones hat That's what I want on my resume .. Im sure it did those kids on the other team a great deal of good. When ahead and game is well in hand say 70-0 one can let off the gas and show your kids the meaning of the word compassion. My team in 2007 socred 3 TDs in the first quarter of 9 games yet we only went over 40 once and never over 50. Served no purpose IMHO
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 17:52:45 GMT -6
if as a coach cheering your players on is bad sportsmanship we are in trouble. If taking 3pt shots in is some how bad in the second half we are in trouble. this is the same mentality which says you should never throw the ball in football if you are up on the score board. this type of thinking only hurts the kids of today. life is not fair. life will chew you up and spit you out. why do you think the number of 20 somethings who have college degrees are living in their parents basement. they are not prepared for real life. the school they were playing should not even be fielding a team to be honest. they have not won a game ever and as for special needs they are ADD and ADHD kids. not like they are real special needs kids. Ive not hear of anyone anywhere say you shouldnt throw if you are ahead by 1 point or more. Over reach. No one ever has ever said to anyone not to cheer your kids on, over reach. No one said you cant ever toss up a three when ahead, anywhere, over reach. ADHD and ADD kids are extremely difficult to coach, when EVERY PLAYER is one. 100-0 is indefensible and they DID press in the second half. Im sure this coach humiliating the other team to the point they toss in the towel for the season is a great feather to have in ones hat That's what I want on my resume. No one it is not his fault the other team chose to become quitters. It is called free will. ADHD and ADD is an excuse. come to the martial arts facility where I go and you will see ADD and ADHD kids having no problems with concentration. IT always amazes the parents how well behaved their children are after becoming martial artists. whe you become a MA you realize you have the power to control your own thoughts and your own actiions. This is how you learn to break bricks and boards. you control your own thoughts and cast out fear.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 23, 2009 17:56:10 GMT -6
Oh Chuck Norris is the answer again, he solves all the worlds problems, heals the sick and stops the Double Wing.
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Post by coach4life on Jan 23, 2009 17:58:46 GMT -6
That's on the coach, plain and simple. If the report is true they were pressing the whole game, he or she deserves some free time next season to reflect on the foolishness of that. I have no problem with the 3's, they are not automatic and you have to execute your offense, but in basketball on D you can let up on the pressure and at least allow them to have a shot at executing in a half court offense.
I think there is a perspective of mutual respect for our competitors that comes into play here. In the more advanced martial arts (most notably Aikido) there is a concept of attacker-defender. During practice, it is on the attacker to represent an appropriate level of aggression against a defender, in the spirit of helping the defender grow in their skill. This allows an advanced student to work with a lesser skilled student in a way that helps them both grow in the art. It is a (I know this will sound corny, but it's true) loving way to allow both to grow in both spirit and ability. This same concept can be applied when a superior team plays an inferior team. This is to me a key element of sportsmanship and there is nothing wuss about that.
Now perhaps the coach was padding stats for the purpose of making a kid look better to recruiters. I've seen that in football (and other sports) before, where a coach will leave his starters in up by 4 scores in the first half, ostensibly to pad their stats for recruiters. The problem is if that a kid goes down late in the season you now have to replace him with a less experienced player. You have only inflated the ego of the stud (don't we have enough problems with that given what they see from the TOs?), denied valuable experience to another player that you will need later in the current season or the next, and undermined team cohesiveness. If that kid you're leaving in to pad his stats is such a stud, the recruiters will find him anyway. IMHO, of course, but I've seen this cost a team or two dearly when the studs got tired late in the game from going both ways or a key stud goes down and you lose a critical game. If you are doing it for your ego or to avenge a previous disappointment, well, that's a whole 'nuther discussion.
If we are coaching for the right reasons, it's for the kids. Not just ours, but theirs too. Athletics teaches so many great lessons to us all. We get our satisfactions as a by-product of how we impart those lessons. What did that coach teach his or her kids and the other team's kids? We could argue many things, but I would suspect nothing of value was learned by either squad.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2009 18:03:03 GMT -6
the longer you let an underdog, the longer they actually think they can win.
you have to crush the will of your opponent as fast as possible.
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Post by coach4life on Jan 23, 2009 18:07:05 GMT -6
the longer you let an underdog, the longer they actually think they can win. you have to crush the will of your opponent as fast as possible. Totally agree. When you're up 59-0 you have pretty much accomplished that, proven your superior skill at the game, and now you have a chance to serve others by imparting even more valuable lessons.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 23, 2009 18:13:45 GMT -6
I am not going to read the entire thread. I would simply fire the AD who scheduled the game that was obviously about as entertaining as a SENATORS VS GLOBE TROTTERS match.
100 POINTS IN A GIRLS HS BASKETBALL POINTS IS A BOAT LOAD OF POINTS, THE COACH WAS OBVIOUSLY PUSHING TO REACH THE CENTURY MARK.
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Post by k on Jan 23, 2009 19:21:47 GMT -6
not shifting the thread at all. just stating there is a political culture in this country which seeks to punish the successful and reward the unsuccessful. so instead of taking responsibility for ones own thoughts and feeling they blame others for the loss. You're exemplifying the political culture that exists among some that seeks to punish others in an attempt to make themselves feel like a better person. Wow.... Well to me it is clear that some people get their self esteem from hurting others. =)
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 23, 2009 20:20:13 GMT -6
Hold it Dave!!!! I can go along with everything that's been said on this thread, but this...this is too far over the line. I cannot agree that Chuck Norris can stop the Doublewing. This is one of the most outlandish, egregious claims I've ever heard on this great board. Sir, I think you need to recant! OJW
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 23, 2009 22:25:12 GMT -6
I have worked in in Psychiatric hospitals my whole life. To say that ADD and ADHD can be controlled by martial arts is just waaaaay too funny. Maybe if you are borderline ADD or ADHD but to be full blown and here your comments are kinda comical. The coach who did this should be banished..permanently. If ya have to schedule mentally handicapped schools to beat up on then cool...heres to hopin that your next child is on that very team. Somehow I think you'd understand. All apologies for being upset but i have worked with and loved these kids my whole life..they are indeed special and don't need Mr. Stud chest thumper to prove it to them.
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