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Jan 21, 2009 14:21:08 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:21:08 GMT -6
As a Philly guy I don't really have a problem with the players smiling and joking around with the Arizona players, I don't think any philly fan really would, after all it's not Dallas were talking about. It was a tough game, as playoff games should be, to congratulate the Cardinals, many of whom were our players a few years ago, I don't have a problem with that. they way they played they deserve it.
The issues being discussed around here are the same as they are every year 1) They say Donovan McNabb has to go, or it's time to draft his replacement ....(BS) 2) They say Andy Reid has to go...(agree with that somewhat) 3) We need a big, durable runningback...(no argument) 4) We need a deep threat receiver....(no argument either)
We were out-coached plain and simple, they picked us apart (how the hell do you leave Fitzgerald alone across the middle?). It boils down to the Eagles being terrible in situations...plain and simple
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Jan 21, 2009 14:36:43 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jan 21, 2009 14:36:43 GMT -6
As a Philly guy I don't really have a problem with the players smiling and joking around with the Arizona players, I don't think any philly fan really would, after all it's not Dallas were talking about. It was a tough game, as playoff games should be, to congratulate the Cardinals, many of whom were our players a few years ago, I don't have a problem with that. they way they played they deserve it. The issues being discussed around here are the same as they are every year 1) They say Donovan McNabb has to go, or it's time to draft his replacement ....(BS) 2) They say Andy Reid has to go...(agree with that somewhat) 3) We need a big, durable runningback...(no argument) 4) We need a deep threat receiver....(no argument either) We were out-coached plain and simple, they picked us apart (how the hell do you leave Fitzgerald alone across the middle?). It boils down to the Eagles being terrible in situations...plain and simple This is from a non-Eagles fan: 1. Getting rid of McNabb is silly fan crap. Who would they replace him with? QBs are not that easy to find. 2. Getting rid of Reid is equally silly. The guy's taken them to the NFC final what, four times? 3. RB and deep threat? I agree that it's too much to depend on Westbrook for.
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Jan 21, 2009 17:56:50 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 17:56:50 GMT -6
As a Philly guy I don't really have a problem with the players smiling and joking around with the Arizona players, I don't think any philly fan really would, after all it's not Dallas were talking about. It was a tough game, as playoff games should be, to congratulate the Cardinals, many of whom were our players a few years ago, I don't have a problem with that. they way they played they deserve it. The issues being discussed around here are the same as they are every year 1) They say Donovan McNabb has to go, or it's time to draft his replacement ....(BS) 2) They say Andy Reid has to go...(agree with that somewhat) 3) We need a big, durable runningback...(no argument) 4) We need a deep threat receiver....(no argument either) We were out-coached plain and simple, they picked us apart (how the hell do you leave Fitzgerald alone across the middle?). It boils down to the Eagles being terrible in situations...plain and simple This is from a non-Eagles fan: 1. Getting rid of McNabb is silly fan crap. Who would they replace him with? QBs are not that easy to find. 2. Getting rid of Reid is equally silly. The guy's taken them to the NFC final what, four times? 3. RB and deep threat? I agree that it's too much to depend on Westbrook for. -I think the McNabb thing is stupid, but we're always looking to blame someone, now given the "24-7 smile" thing even when losing drives everyone nuts, especially when he throws the ball into the turf, and does it. I still think he's in the top 3-4 QB's in the league. Fan $hit..I agree Reid- I can't say enough good things about I've met him several times, As some here know I was one of the deputies that took his son Garrett into custody, I 've had both his kids, in custody. He was nice to us even then. (My big TV debut) I coached against his youngest son as well, he always has time for the fans...especially the kids, an excellent coach I agree, he's just terrible in situations..there is absolutely no management of the clock Westbrook has been banged up every year but 1 since he came out of college, he jus gets overworked, I don't think Buckhalter is the answer, though he's not a bad back...deep threat absolutely, look where we wound up when we had that a-hole TO
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Jan 22, 2009 19:41:53 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2009 19:41:53 GMT -6
You cold say that, but the reason we were in the post season to begin with was because of the play of the defense, not our offense. The eagles were always known for defense, our defense has never been suspect, our playcalling, and situational decisions though have...quite often I might add. (ex you need 2 so why go for 1-which Akers missed)
HE's so bad at it that last season, he didn't understand why Westbrook would take a knee at the 1 instead of scoring a TD to run out the clock he said he'd rather he scored the TD...he stated this in the post game (this is an NFL head coach, I coach youth ball made sense to me)
Johnson, is an excellent DC, Arizona just came up pwith an answer to all the blitzes, but we started getting to Warner in the 3rd.
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Jan 22, 2009 19:47:18 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2009 19:47:18 GMT -6
Not to nitpick, but the score of that Philly-Dallas game last season was 10-6. So, of Westbrook had scored Philly was going up 17-6 assuming the XP was good. A smart decision by Westbrook yes, but I'd just rather my RB take the points in that situation as well.
Also, according to NFL.com, the Eagles D was outstanding--4th in points, 3rd in total yards, 3rd in pass yards, and 4th in run yards. But, the offense was pretty good too--6th in points, 9th in total yards, 6th in pass yards, 22nd in rushing yards which is too low, but they were good overall.
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Jan 22, 2009 21:12:54 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2009 21:12:54 GMT -6
Not nitpicking at all ...In reference to the Dallas game last season though, you are correct but there was enough time for Dallas to score twice (score OSK etc... ) , or if I remember correctly scoring, making the 2pt conversion, then winning on a FG, was what Troy Aikman was saying.
I love the decision Westbrook made, in terms of clock management he did the right thing. I still dont see why Coach Reid had a problem with it other than it being our biggest rival.
Also I didn't say the offense wasn't good, the Eagles are just better known for their defense, the issue is the playcalling, and coaching decisions.
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Jan 22, 2009 22:54:48 GMT -6
Post by ajreaper on Jan 22, 2009 22:54:48 GMT -6
How you react after a loss is not as important as how you prepared for the game during the week. Making kids sit in silence on the bus after a loss might make you feel better but does it have anything to do with them playing better next week? I doubt it. If you need to have a week of hell in practice following a loss then I presume you figure that is what your team needs to compete at a high level then why didn't you do that getting ready to play the team that just beat you? Insisting kids feel like you do or like you believe they should feel following a lose might make you feel better but if it's you forcing it then it's a phony emotion on their part and pretty much worthless. People react differently to the death of a loved one and people react differently to a lose- who's to say this is right and this is wrong? Heck some want complete solitude and the opportunity to go into their own world before a game to focus and get mentally ready and others are vocal and active- different strokes for different folks.
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Jan 23, 2009 7:32:59 GMT -6
Post by bigm0073 on Jan 23, 2009 7:32:59 GMT -6
You make some points but understand this:
Football is with any sport if you win a few games you start to get complascent. It is human nature.. Sometimes you let up the gas peddle.. It all depends. And all of a sudden you get smacked in a mouth and you are like "What the hell just happended"....
Now you may not agree with "Hell week" and that is your right and opinion but I have to tell you being apart of some succuessful programs in high school and college I new after a loss things were just going to be bad. I new we had to take the taste of losing out of our mouth. I was aware our coaches did not want us to accept losing and we would fight it every step of the way.
Again defining "Hell week" is up to the coach. I do have to admit from my point of view after a loss I do not want Shits and giggles on the bus. I do not want to hear loud laughter and screaming.
Again maybe it is me but if you put so much emotion into this I just do not see how in a matter of minutes you can shut if off and just be ok with it. Really it is just human nature.
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Jan 23, 2009 11:32:18 GMT -6
Post by ajreaper on Jan 23, 2009 11:32:18 GMT -6
IMO people are different- some are emotional after a loss either mad or hurt (crying etc) others are more reflective or analytical but I don't think that mean's one necessarily takes the loss any less seriously. Truthfully taking a win or a loss to either emotional extreme is not good and as coaches part of our job is to keep kids focused and grounded regardless of whether it's a tough loss of a big win.
As coaches, particularly at the varsity level I'd think we have a clear picture of who "cares deeply" and who is along for the ride so to speak before a tough loss. One thing I've done over the years is to be tougher and more demanding on them when things are good (in their minds) - why? They are mentally and emotionally better able to deal with that additional preasure and greater demands then when things are tough (rough season, bad game or performance).
Bottom line however is we all have are own thoughts and philosophys and hopefully we know our players well enough to know what's needed, when is it needed and how is it best delivered.
You'll find very successful coaches doing things very differently in that regard so I guess both methods can work and produce great results.
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Jan 24, 2009 21:33:16 GMT -6
Post by begreat on Jan 24, 2009 21:33:16 GMT -6
We went 13-3. After alot of games you couldnt tell if we won or lost in the coaches office. After losing the state title game it was tough to see the kids crying as hard as they did.
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