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Jan 19, 2009 17:53:51 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jan 19, 2009 17:53:51 GMT -6
I jusr saw this discussed on Pardon The Interruption and it reminded me of a thought that I had immediately after yesterday's game.
Several Eagles were shown laughing and joking around with friends on the Cardinals. I thought that it was wrong yesterday and I still don't get it.
I also want to point out that I'm not an Eagles fan. Thoughts?
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Jan 19, 2009 18:34:43 GMT -6
Post by morris on Jan 19, 2009 18:34:43 GMT -6
I was surprised by that yesterday also. That is not going to set well in Philly. There was a picture taken this year after our 6A state title game of the two teams together smiling. I am all for good sportmanship and all but I just did not understand it yesterday.
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Jan 19, 2009 18:58:27 GMT -6
Post by khalfie on Jan 19, 2009 18:58:27 GMT -6
If you have done everything you can...
There's no need to be upset.
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Jan 19, 2009 19:06:34 GMT -6
Post by Coach Klemme on Jan 19, 2009 19:06:34 GMT -6
I saw the same thing. It is one thing to be happy for your friends but some were jumping around and dancing with them. I was alway Pi$$ed as hell when we lost and sometimes even when we won ugly. Methinks its going to get ugly in Philly.
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Jan 19, 2009 20:26:02 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jan 19, 2009 20:26:02 GMT -6
If you have done everything you can... There's no need to be upset. Sure there is.
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Jan 19, 2009 20:56:00 GMT -6
Post by playfast on Jan 19, 2009 20:56:00 GMT -6
Agree, I was surprised by some of the Eagle players. On the other side Boldin really showed his feeling about team and doing the right thing for the team. Biggest drive of the year and maybe history of the organization and he is b******* on the sideline that he is not in the game.
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Jan 19, 2009 20:59:23 GMT -6
Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 19, 2009 20:59:23 GMT -6
That was the strangest postgame reaction I've ever seen... by both Boldin and the Eagles.
OTOH, it there wasn't much point in the Philly players whining and crying. If I'd been in that game with friends on the Cardinals, I would've tried to be happy for them too. At that point, it's about the only positive thing you can do. Still, not really what I would've expected as the natural reaction. I guess the Eagles are just used to losing these games by now...
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Jan 19, 2009 21:03:41 GMT -6
Post by poorbob on Jan 19, 2009 21:03:41 GMT -6
I have seen this reaction by a ton of teams/people. I can stand when a QB throws a pick and then smiles about it. I'm all for having a short memory, but not that short.
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Jan 19, 2009 21:28:56 GMT -6
Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jan 19, 2009 21:28:56 GMT -6
If you have done everything you can... There's no need to be upset. I agree there is no need to be upset but what about disappointment? It appeared to me that those couple of Philly players were just happy to make it to the NFC Championship game. It is a great accomplishment to make it as a #6 seed and maybe that was good enough for them. It is hard to understand that way of thinking.
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Jan 20, 2009 9:55:07 GMT -6
Post by dcoach505 on Jan 20, 2009 9:55:07 GMT -6
Being a pissed off jerk and being upset because you worked your butt off and just lost your chance to make it to the biggest game in all of sports are two different things. I agree have class, but to be joking around and having fun after you lost does not sit well with me. On the other hand they make millions of dollars to play the game we love, that might make me happy as well.
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Jan 20, 2009 10:05:31 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Jan 20, 2009 10:05:31 GMT -6
I was surprised as well; everything about that post game was STRANGE. Obviously, no one expects the Eagles players to be throwing chairs and kicking and screaming on the ground, but several of them didn't even looked phased. They just looked happy to be done with the game...
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Jan 20, 2009 10:16:48 GMT -6
Post by bigm0073 on Jan 20, 2009 10:16:48 GMT -6
I am from the philly area (Grew up there) and I have to admit that does bother me....
After such an intense emotional game I do not see how you can just go out there like it is shits and giggles and cut up.... I know I can not. MAybe it is me but when you get into those situations and you have a chance to go on and make history it takes me a while to get over that...
The first year I made the playoffs a few years back it took may until May before I could even watch the tape.... When I tell you I would put the tape in and just before I push play I would get sick and want to vomit. Just could not watch it. WHo knows maybe I got issues but loses like that historically take me a while to overcome. If I was a game away from the Super Bowl there is no way I would be yucking it up... No way!!
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Jan 20, 2009 10:35:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 10:35:17 GMT -6
With me, there is no reason to be upset after the game IF you gave it your all and left it on the field, to borrow a couple of worn-out cliches. Laughing, joking, and hugging BEFORE a game actually bothers me more. I wanted nothing to do with the other team before the game; after the game is over, well it's over. Time to move on and be happy for the other team if you know them well enough to feel that way.
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Jan 20, 2009 10:52:14 GMT -6
Post by coachweav88 on Jan 20, 2009 10:52:14 GMT -6
I'm ok with congratulating the other team and being happy for them, but I'm not ok with celebrating with them.
Another thought I had is
Isn't after the game too late to show that you care about the game? I'd rather them show they care during the game. If they show a lack of focus during the game, it doesn't help them if they look upset after the game.
I'm not one of those "no talking on the bus" guys after a loss. What does it accomplish? Does it chage the outcome of the game? No. Does it help you prepare for the next game? no However, I did find it odd that the Eagles didn't seem to be disappointed after the game. Either they have an enormous ammount of mental toughness and perspective, or they didn't really care whether they won or lost.
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Jan 20, 2009 11:20:40 GMT -6
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 20, 2009 11:20:40 GMT -6
I'm not one of those "no talking on the bus" guys after a loss. What does it accomplish? Does it chage the outcome of the game? No. Does it help you prepare for the next game? no I am a no talking on the bus after a loss guy... I definitely disagree with the Eagles reaction, but I understand them. It's over, they made a good run, moving on etc... But that's not me- as a matter of fact that's pretty {censored} far from the way I see things, but I also have never played the game for money, and I think $$$ changes the way you approach wins/losses. To me you learn much more from the loss if you let it burn- you can't just let your kids forget about it. I hate when HC's come in on Saturday or Monday and preface the post-loss team meeting with "it's behind us, moving on" speech...bull$hit. You better think about that loss, learn from it, and never let that happen again. Let it scar you inside. That's where you will muster motivation from when it's the middle of January and football is so far awayand nobody is forcing you to work hard...not letting those losses ever happen again better drive you. That's the best thing about football- you get to right the wrongs every week. If you bust someone's a$$ last week, you had better step up your game cause now you have set the bar higher. If you got curb-stomped last game you get a chance to take it out on someone this week. No letdowns. Losing sucks- some kids will beat themselves up over it while others will be yucking it up after the game...I want to punch people who yuck it up in the face... We have nothing to laugh/smile about until we right that wrong. I think we take for granted the old-school coach mentality of knowing a loss would result in a hellish week of practice was a motivating factor. It pays to win, and the team needs to know it.
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Jan 20, 2009 12:18:45 GMT -6
Post by justryn2 on Jan 20, 2009 12:18:45 GMT -6
I have to agree; I found the reaction of some of the Eagles players disturbing. No, its not necessary to stomp the ground, throw things, cry, pout or really show any other kind of violent emotion. As someone else said, the time for emotional energy is during the game, not after. At the same time, when you've just lost your chance to play for a league championship, a little disappointment is more than understandable. I guess everyone has a right to their own feelings and reactions but I really cannot understand how anyone could be yucking it up after a loss like that.
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Jan 20, 2009 12:33:04 GMT -6
Post by cjamerson on Jan 20, 2009 12:33:04 GMT -6
No matter how hard I work and no matter how much I lay it on the line...I can't accept losing. It doesn't matter if I've done everything possible and we were still completely out-matched and out-manned physically...I'll never be "ok" with a loss. To see guys celebrate with the team that just ended their season was hard to swallow and I'm not even a Philly fan. Sometimes I question their "love of the game".
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Jan 20, 2009 18:25:22 GMT -6
Post by indian1 on Jan 20, 2009 18:25:22 GMT -6
What were the Eagles players supposed to do after they lost? Throw a fit? Stomp around like a mad little kid?
They are PROFESSIONALS. Its a JOB.
What do you guys do after a hard day's work? I like to RELAX. That's what the players were doing after the game.
Those players compete at a level that few of us can imagine. They can act however they want when they are finished. We are talking about grown men here.
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Jan 20, 2009 18:26:35 GMT -6
Post by touchdowng on Jan 20, 2009 18:26:35 GMT -6
indian1
Thank you
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Jan 21, 2009 3:13:13 GMT -6
Post by jlt on Jan 21, 2009 3:13:13 GMT -6
On a different scale in a different country. 3 years ago when i was still a player rather than a HC we reached the conference final of our national championship and played a team where I had 2 or 3 friends on. Not thta I knew them before football, but when you start going to the same camps and clinics together and always tlaking to them over the net you become quite good friends.
Anyway, we lost. I tried my hardest to win, but that did not stop me from crying my eyes out at the end and my friend on the other team who was crying coz he was going to the championship game was the one gving me a hug. I tell you something. It is not something you see everyday, 2 300lb DTs from opposite teams crying hugging each other after a game.
After that (still on the pitch) we had a chat about what went on in the game, whether they had a game plan for each other, a couple of hits we put on each other (both went ironman), etc. There were a couple of smiles but no laughing or jumping around.
You are allowed to smile and chat with friends and even laugh I suppose. But having been in that situation, I would never have been able to do what the Philly players did. It hurts too much losing in the conference game.
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Jan 21, 2009 9:32:51 GMT -6
Post by bigm0073 on Jan 21, 2009 9:32:51 GMT -6
I am sorry there is no way you can equate pro football to a 9-5 job. All of the mental and emotional peperation and the highs and lows of the game. It is literally a roller coster ride.
I am sorry but it is way more intense and involved losing a playoff game one step away from the Super Bowl as opposed to punching the time card and leaving work.
Say what you want about that Bullock guy (The LB from the Titans after their loss to the Ravens) but I rather see that type of frustration and reaction as opposed to the "Ho hum game is over and it is time to see my family".
I know it is only a game and once it is over you just walk away but for me personally I can NOT just shut off my emotions like a water spout. It sticks with me for some time. That is just me.
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Jan 21, 2009 9:45:53 GMT -6
Post by red2slam on Jan 21, 2009 9:45:53 GMT -6
BigM Thats the way it is with anybody who invest anything into any job and fais. but those people are the ones who are working 80+ hrs a week and are millionaires. Find a millionaire who works 40 hrs a week?
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Jan 21, 2009 9:53:16 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jan 21, 2009 9:53:16 GMT -6
I'm not saying that players need to cry and rend theirt garments but I do have a problem with guys laughing and joking with guys who have just knocked me out of the playoffs. Smile and shake hands? Fine. Laughing and titty-bumping? I've just spent every waking moment for six months trying to win this.
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Jan 21, 2009 10:16:20 GMT -6
Post by coachorr on Jan 21, 2009 10:16:20 GMT -6
No different than when a kid misses a shot in practice or drops a pass and they all joke about it. I don't like the reaction and never will.
JLT, shaking hands and crying together is one thing...doing the Nuetron dance is quite another.
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Jan 21, 2009 10:31:51 GMT -6
Post by dhooper on Jan 21, 2009 10:31:51 GMT -6
It's hard for me also. If they gave everything on the field then they need not to hang there heads. But I never like losing and its always been hard on me always. Maybe its old school I don't know. I don't have to win but I hate to lose.
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Jan 21, 2009 11:11:55 GMT -6
Post by fatkicker on Jan 21, 2009 11:11:55 GMT -6
as stated above....
when somebody shows me how throwing a fit after a bad play, series, or game can somehow reverse the outcome then i'll make sure to cuss and fuss constantly....
i think it's a joke to hide behind the "he's so emotional" badge as an excuse to act like an idiot......
it's like "well, at least he'll tell you like it is." is some kind of free excuse to be an a$$hole.....
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Jan 21, 2009 11:51:42 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Jan 21, 2009 11:51:42 GMT -6
The thing about old cliches is many times they are true so I will give you one. Sports doesn't build your character... Sports reveals your character. That being said: I feel there is a difference between professional and amateur sports. One of the characteristics of being professional is to maintain professional composure. Didn't see the game but my feeling is these guys were not acting professional
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Jan 21, 2009 12:03:33 GMT -6
Post by khalfie on Jan 21, 2009 12:03:33 GMT -6
as stated above.... when somebody shows me how throwing a fit after a bad play, series, or game can somehow reverse the outcome then i'll make sure to cuss and fuss constantly.... i think it's a joke to hide behind the "he's so emotional" badge as an excuse to act like an idiot...... it's like "well, at least he'll tell you like it is." is some kind of free excuse to be an a$$hole..... I echo the above sentiments... The emotional, the tears, the anger... I believe it can be genuine... but most times I see it... its all for show, and usually coming from the guy, who prepared the least. Performing the hysterics so that others believe it meant so much to him... And maybe that's necessary in these times of constant scrutiny and high criticism.... Though I hate losing... I love playing that much more, and if it was a good game... I'm happy, want to talk about it and discuss it ad nausem... win or lose. But if it were a bad game... if I hadn't given my all... wasted an opportunity... then yeah, then the emotional, the tears, genuine anger... at no one, but myself, but who's that for? I blew it, and know it... so who's the anger and tears for? I'd be better off, getting off the field and preparing for next season. If you give all you have to give... and the other team just had more... then there's no reason to be mad, shake their hand, wish them luck, and move on... and if they happen to be friends of yours... there's no shame in being really happy for them. But then again, that's just me.
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Jan 21, 2009 12:35:32 GMT -6
Post by bulldogoption on Jan 21, 2009 12:35:32 GMT -6
Does anybody else find the fact that PTI/ESPN is criticizing players for how they act after a game STUPID. The idiots on PTI/ESPN haven't ever come close to working as hard as a professional athletes/coaches. WTH do they know about how somebody should or shouldn't act after a big loss. They are out of shape wannabes.......oy vey....this is our society. Lets be critical of everybody. ESPN sucks! I hate that network. All they care about is highlights and conflict. And if they can't find any...........they'll make their own as they have done here.
How these men react is their own business.
What it boils down to..........after you get past all the Lombardi rah rah speeches about hating to lose...........is how somebody reacts to failure having put forth so much effort. I can't even comprehend how hard those professional athletes and coaches have worked to earn that win. If I ever get there then I'll have an opinion on how somebody should react after a loss.
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Jan 21, 2009 14:02:01 GMT -6
Post by tvt50 on Jan 21, 2009 14:02:01 GMT -6
One thing I think of when I watch these NFL playoff games is. Hey they lost, but he is still getting that fat check so why does he care? Seems like the fans care more than the players.
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