clloyd
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Post by clloyd on Jan 15, 2009 21:24:16 GMT -6
I am in the process of reviewing our last season. There is obviously a ton of information. What do the rest of you do when you self scout. How detailed do you get?
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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 15, 2009 21:41:55 GMT -6
Most productive -pass play -run play -3rd down
take a look at plays that didn't work and determine how to fix it or remove it!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 16, 2009 7:31:28 GMT -6
If you're going to get detailed during film study, now's the time to do so...
Offensively-
Here's what goes on each game's report after each week's game (that way it's done and if I want to self-scout I can do so at any point during the season):
Down Distance Hash Yard Formation Play Result
I do this because not everything is as good or as bad as it seems- one year I thought our jets sucked and I was completely unhappy with the play. I self scouted and saw that we were averaging 8yds/carry with it, but on 1st down it was only averaging around 3. Defenses were obviously sitting on jet 1st play, so I stopped running it.
In the offseason we took a page from Denny Creehan and started charting every play of every game from the past season. It takes time- another coach and I could get through a game per day, working after school from 3-6. Each play gets its own page. On the page we draw in the formation, the defense by jersey numbers, circle who makes the play, and disect the play result - why did we lose yds here? why did that DT beat our G on that reach? This allows us to either address the player mechanics that caused the failure or the scheme itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2009 9:03:18 GMT -6
dcohio, Good analysis of what to do with defensive film. I would add a few other things:
1) Pass hit chart--where did they try to pass on you, where were they successful, where did you get your picks, etc. Also lets you see how often you get screened.
2) Where is your "break" point--it's great to see tendencies, but at some spot on the field a lot of DCs change what they do: for some they start playing more aggressively at some place or another, for others they change fronts, etc. Find where your tendency changes.
3) Evaluate if you're getting what you should get from your calls and if you need to keep them. For example: I have one blitz that I may run only 2-3 times a game, but I get a lot from it and couldn't get rid of it. On the other hand I have a stunt that goes 2-3 times a game and I could've used another call in that situation--that way you streamline your package, because we all go to clinics and find that magic bullet we want to add, but you have to eliminate something--do it first.
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Post by kross80 on Jan 16, 2009 10:21:58 GMT -6
I have a freshman coach break down every game on Saturdays during the season on DSV. I can then self scout every week. At the end of the year we will filter plays by most productive(run & pass), D&D, Hash, coming out, red zone, goal line so forth.
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clloyd
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Post by clloyd on Feb 18, 2009 22:31:13 GMT -6
A couple of questions to clarify. When I am looking back at the information I am using ProScout, When a play goes for 8 yards but then there is a penalty. I know that we lose 5 yards, but in the scheme of things. Should that play count as a loss of 5, gain of 8 or remove the play from the count because of the penalty. Just curious because this will obviously skew the averages etc when compiling totals for the season? I am just curious what other people do.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 19, 2009 9:34:05 GMT -6
Well defensively speaking, I think I am a little different than most of you. I do look at the tape but look at it not from a numbers point of view like you would a typical scout. I look at it as how I can teach my stuff better. I have been running this defense for ten years, it has evolved over time but in the end we are going to do what we do. I know where the weaknesses are. so even if you don't show something we still might practice a weakness that week in case we happen to see it. Only one team that we faced this year in my opinion really took the time to adjust what they did to us last year. so why am I going to spend alot time on last years stuff. This is a function, IMO, of OC's having to have the latest and greatest instead of making their stuff better so they never get good at anything. half the teams we faced last year changed their offense. again, we try to look ahead as much as possible with a mind towards our inherent weaknesses associated with any defense
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 9:41:54 GMT -6
I think that looking how to improve your teaching is a given in your self scouting but I think you have to be aware of your tendencies. It's an eye-opener.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 19, 2009 10:57:15 GMT -6
Thought you guys would like these quotes If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. - Sun Tzu, the Art of War If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected. - Sun Tzu, the Art of War Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War www.military-quotes.com/Sun-Tzu.htm
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Post by raiderpirates on Feb 19, 2009 14:12:46 GMT -6
I meant, it's a scouting full workup. Game scripts, gap chart (includes passing zones), field chart, formation tendencies, note sheet and tip sheet. I also forgot, I break the film break down up amongst my assistants. I have 6 guys on the defensive staff, including myself. Each assistant takes 2 game films and breaks them down, it's a packet. I let them choose which 2 game films, and then when we get in season, the coaches are responsibile for breaking the same 2 opponents. So say my DT coach selected game 3 and game 7, this year in season he will again break film on those 2 opponents from their scout films and he will speak at length in our staff meeting about these 2 opponents.
It's an effort to kind of make him/them an "expert" on a particular team. I break all the film also, but I'm whizzing around from team to team each week, none of them have successive games. All the coaches watch the film, but use to be I was the only one to break it. Gets them involved, they don't seem to mind it, to be honest, most like it. Love that approach. You can even tailor their review on what would appear at an initial sample of stats and results to directly fit their specialty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 15:38:01 GMT -6
I like Sun Tzu as well, but I use the Shillelagh Law, which relates to Irish stick fighting.
1. Never trust anything you can count on Pertains to the number one target of the stick fighter - the hand. (i.e. You can count by using the fingers on your hand.) Hit your opponent's hand and he drops his stick. In football I use this to illustrate creating turnovers. 2. Evermore Alee against those who oppose Never retreat when stick fighting, always move in or stand your ground. Be a proactive player. That's why we blitz. We're not going to react, we're going to force you to. 3. Enter each match with a {censored} of the tin Pertains to the act of wheeling before each match - a verbal battle of wits. Confidence. 4. Always leave the table with the hunger in your stomach When your opponent is no longer a threat, step away and allow them to retreat. In other words, sub your players. 5. Remember "Skibbereen" For every blow you sustain when fighting, return with two of your own. 6. Give the Come Hither When factions meet, call out their biggest or their best stick fighter immediately to make an example of him. You have to want to play the best team and against the best players. 7. Tell of the One Fear Warn the other stick fighter if the fight is to the death. i.e. "The only fear I have is the fear of killin' you." 8. Never walk from a Dogfall Never end a contest in a draw or an unknown victor; there must be one sure winner. 9. Blaze abroad your clan with might Announce to your foe that you are of Doyle blood so they know from where the blow fell. Be proud of the team. Make sure they remember you. 10. Through Fortitude We Conquer . It's not easy. You have to endure their best efforts.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 19, 2009 18:53:37 GMT -6
Sorry couldn't help it
1. Never trust anything you can count on Always use your fingers when counting beers. when you get to 10 you are done. time to start on wild Turkey 2. Evermore Alee against those who oppose Never retreat from an open Guinness 3. Enter each match with a thingy of the tin Enter match w/ a tin of Cope 4. Always leave the table with the hunger in your stomach Ya rrrright
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 20, 2009 8:00:42 GMT -6
To be real honest about the whole deal, I do all that stuff because I'm anal and I want everything to extremely thorough. In reality I'm looking for 2 things - 1. how did they pick up or try to negate or take advantage of our blitz 2. how am I going to blitz them next year...as in how can I get a free defender to that QB's earhole. all that coverage stuff and gap charts and stuff...yea...I know...but next year is different, oh it tells me where they tried to get us, but we try to play defense in such a way that makes them have to defend us. I see you couldn't sleep again. were you dreaming of blitzes ;D
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Post by tentboy on Mar 4, 2009 20:24:37 GMT -6
does anyone have a sheet made for this?
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