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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 12, 2009 13:05:30 GMT -6
Go up to my starting ILB today and say to him "see you at lifting today" (in a nice way.. he always attends). He says Oh no coach...We started Lacrosse workouts today. He is a pretty good lax player. they do run pretty hard but do not lift anything close to the intensity that we lift. Would you pressure this kid to come to football workouts?
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Post by superpower on Jan 12, 2009 13:14:28 GMT -6
No, I would encourage him to play Lax.
Does your school not have lifting classes as part of the schedule? Could he lift before school?
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Post by airman on Jan 12, 2009 13:34:59 GMT -6
La Crosse developes agility.
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Post by phantom on Jan 12, 2009 13:39:22 GMT -6
Go up to my starting ILB today and say to him "see you at lifting today" (in a nice way.. he always attends). He says Oh no coach...We started Lacrosse workouts today. He is a pretty good lax player. they do run pretty hard but do not lift anything close to the intensity that we lift. Would you pressure this kid to come to football workouts? Yes. Nothing against lacrosse but this is a workout for lacrosse not actual lacrosse practice. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 12, 2009 13:44:06 GMT -6
Is it a school sponsored sport or a private club sport?
That might a difference to me.
School activity=support the school
We have tons of guys who play hoops and wrestle right now. I don't pressure them. The wrestling coach does strength workouts with the kids (he also coaches football) and the hoops coach does not. All I tell the kids is we want to see you in the wt room CONSISTANTLY. If that means 2x a week when you games then so be it.
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Post by superpower on Jan 12, 2009 14:06:29 GMT -6
Go up to my starting ILB today and say to him "see you at lifting today" (in a nice way.. he always attends). He says Oh no coach...We started Lacrosse workouts today. He is a pretty good lax player. they do run pretty hard but do not lift anything close to the intensity that we lift. Would you pressure this kid to come to football workouts? Yes. Nothing against lacrosse but this is a workout for lacrosse not actual lacrosse practice. Coach, you make a very good point. I didn't read the original post closely enough earlier. If it is an issue of which workout rather than a workout vs. practice, then yes, the coach should pressure this kid. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 12, 2009 14:28:40 GMT -6
Is it a school sponsored sport or a private club sport? That might a difference to me. School activity=support the school We have tons of guys who play hoops and wrestle right now. I don't pressure them. The wrestling coach does strength workouts with the kids (he also coaches football) and the hoops coach does not. All I tell the kids is we want to see you in the wt room CONSISTANTLY. If that means 2x a week when you games then so be it. School sponsored activity. It is a spring sport here. His coach expects him there as I also expect him. He is obviously torn between the two. IMO he will not play either sport in college. he just a good program kid that does things right. of course, me being my cynical self. I think he is dodging football workouts cuz lax is easier |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 14:49:44 GMT -6
Since you both expect him to be at workouts, see if lifting in the morning is an option for him. If it isn't, alternate days until Lax officially starts. We football coaches complain about basketball summer open gyms and stuff, but if we pressure a kid to skip out on another sport, we aren't any better or different.
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Post by njlopez on Jan 12, 2009 15:30:18 GMT -6
Why can't he double up?? He can lift with football, since they don't lift at LAX, and go to workout when he is finished. I did that when I was in HS. It also depends on the players commitment to the program. But then again as being an advocate for your School, as long as he is doing something its better than nothing. LAX is the next Season is the sports schedule to.
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Post by chuff on Jan 12, 2009 16:15:20 GMT -6
I think that sometimes we want our kids in the weight room just because we want to know that we have control over them and see first hand their improvement, since we can't wait until the fall. If he is "doing the right things" and it is not in any danger of being hurt because he is not strong enough, I say let go and let this kid be a well-rounded athlete. You know that you can count on him. It is the kids who aren't doing anything at all that you need to worry about.
In our state, the HS that has the record for most playoff apperances doesn't have any sort of weightlifting program at all- but all the kids are three sport athletes. (small school)
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Post by phantom on Jan 12, 2009 16:55:17 GMT -6
Coach Gordon does not coach at a small school, though. At a small school he'd be competing with schools who also have a lot of three sport athletes who cannot get into the weight room. That's not the case in his league. Having a starting LB who isn't getting stronger can be a problem.
Certainly there should be a compromise somewhere.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 12, 2009 17:18:16 GMT -6
Sports need to be the priority over weight training, at least if there's the time conflict between the two. If your weight training sessions are after school, then it's something that you can expect. You'll run into other issues between coaches of other sports if you try to keep them out of off season athletics and in the weight room.
If there is no time conflict, (.e. an athletic period, early morning weight training, normal weight training classes) then there's an issue. A few hours a week of early morning weight training won't kill the kid; he needs to get in there and hit it.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 12, 2009 17:20:16 GMT -6
Oh OKAY, he it's a lacrosse work out, not a Lacrosse practice. The heck with that; I'd be demanding that he split time between the two, at the very least. Hit lacrosse workouts twice a week and football the other two times.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jan 12, 2009 20:10:13 GMT -6
Coach at my school the LAX team basically works out and has open field (All it is is LAX practice in Janauary) during two of the days we work out. It usually goes from 2:45 - 4:430 range. We workout from 2:30 - around 4:00. I have the kids come in and get their core lifts in. They are usually there until 3:15 / 3:30. After that they go to LAX. I think this is a fair compromise and It seems to work. He gets the best of both worlds.
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Post by tvt50 on Jan 13, 2009 5:12:39 GMT -6
Phantom,
Good point about your competition. Im at a small school and most of our opponents kids play multiple sports as do ours, so we try to get the rest in there when they are not playing another sport.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 13, 2009 6:00:30 GMT -6
Let the kids be kids. Seriously, if he wants to play another sport GREAT!!! At least he isnt at home "practicing to go on tour for Madden" or some crazy thing like that.
Make weight lifting attractive , more attractive than playing other sports if you can, but certainly do not discourage a well rounded youngster. I think thats where too many of us go wrong.
We use a point system. They get points for coming to football activities and they also get points for school sports and participation in school functions. If this other sport is not school related, then no points are awarded.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 13, 2009 8:23:27 GMT -6
Spoke with coach yesterday. We are going to try to see if he can split time like was suggested above. Do his running w/ Lax and his lifting w/ us. Like I said before, he's a great kid who probably will not be playing college sports. just want him (and us) to have a good experience.
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