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Post by jangalang on Jan 9, 2009 10:51:41 GMT -6
OU played pretty good defense most of the night. Not many are talking about the shooting themselves in foot and missed opportunities to score. It was a game where Florida made a few more plays and put up points in key situations. OU needed to capitalize on their first half play and did not. Florida got better play from their skill players in the game I thought. OU WR's dropped balls and a few had the ball taken from them. If you put those QB's in the SEC where would they rank? Which QBs in the SEC would be better? I am sure their numbers would be different in the SEC. It is a different style and approach to offense. Perspective by box scores is a difficult thing. If the Big 12 is so bad on Defense but OU held the best team in the nation to 24 points. Florida held OU to 14 points...proved that the SEC has great defense....Then Alabama (Former #1 team and 2nd best SEC team) gets lit up by Utah. Not playing great defense. It is hard to make out anything concrete from these games. We can all pick out games and stats that we want to make our argument. But someone can always come back with some evidence that goes in the direct opposite. Truth be told I am a Kansas guy myself and am frustrated that Reesing always gets left out of the Big 12 talk....lol He has won more BCS games then any OU QB lately.... It is difficult to get anything concrete from the bowl matchups. There are too many different factors to form a decisive conclusion....injuries, lack of preparation, end of season attitudes, heat of recruiting, etc. But look at the scores for Texas Tech, Texas, and OU in their bowl games against 2 SEC teams and a Big 10 team ... 34, 24, and 14. For TT, it was their 2nd lowest score of the year. For Texas, it was their lowest score of the year. And for OU, it was their lowest score of the year by 3 TDs! BTW, Kerry Meier is the most underrated guy in the Big 12.
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Post by superpower on Jan 9, 2009 10:52:05 GMT -6
Since OU lost, I hope it will slow the trickle down effect of the look-to-the-sidelines crap coming to the high school level.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 9, 2009 10:58:01 GMT -6
Coachtut, most astute comment of the year. I am wonderiing what was wrong with "I" for the Sooners, as they continually went away from it and rarely had much play action off of the under run game.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 9, 2009 11:36:48 GMT -6
I thought this guy gets it right for the most part:
From Sporting News Blog. Bold and Italics mine.
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Post by tango on Jan 9, 2009 11:51:03 GMT -6
Yes florida reads the jet sometimes and it slower, the QB can keep it up the middle with a zone scheme to the jet side (opposite zone read) They also run it with a down blocking scheme.
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Post by brophy on Jan 9, 2009 12:59:03 GMT -6
I'm also puzzled at the choice of commentators for the "NC" game. I can't say anything bad about Tebow, and I didn't care who won, but I suppose the oversaturation of his story turns a lot of people off (and I can't blame them). Of all the bowl games played, this one had very little I feel like actually making a football comment on. I am SOOOO sick of the look-to-the-sidelines crap, let the D set, look to the side lines again, wait, look again, okay now run the play. If you can't coach your ALL world QB to read a defense and get your offense into the right call you might want to rethink some things. Oy vey.,.....I think you are missing the concept, entirely.
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Post by dubber on Jan 9, 2009 13:34:03 GMT -6
In games I don't care who wins, I keep stats.
Brian Billick's statistical analysis:
1.) Turnovers 2.) Big Plays (runs over 12, passes over 18) 3.) Red Zone efficiency 4.) Success on 1st down
Turnovers-even
Big Plays-even
Red Zone efficiency-this is where the game was decided.
Success on 1st down-why these high powered offenses scored below half their averages, respectively.
Each team had 4 possessions inside the 20 (not counting the Gator's final drive to milk the clock).
Florida came away with 3 TD's and a FG
Oklahoma came away with 2 TD's
Granted, one of the red zone visits for OK came at the end of the half, where they HAD to throw the ball into the endzone because they spent their last timeout.
But anyway, that was the difference. And probably, the reason the red zone stuff went Florida's way came down to luck as much as anything else.
The teams, especially in the first half, were just awful on first down. The thing with Billick's analysis is 1st down success equates to easier third down opportunities.
I have a ton of 0's and negative plays on first down for both these teams, hence the 7-7 tie at halftime, and the factor both their season point averages were over their combined score.
That equates to some good defensive gameplanning, and some play calling that (initially) refused to break tendencies.
OK's lone TD drive in the first half where they just pounded it down Florida's throat was a good indication of breaking tendencies........they seemed to prefer to throw or stretch run it on first down, as opposed to power it, and once they started powering it down the Gator's D throat and broke their own tendency, they moved the ball.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 9, 2009 14:17:32 GMT -6
One thing that kept bugging me was how all the shows and announcers ketp talking about how questionable OK defense was. I think they kept talking about where they ranked, yardage and the such. Well when your offense runs 80+ plays a game and your scoring fast then yeah your defensive stats are going to be skewed. They said the national average for plays per game was like 60. In th eend it makes it where your defense has been on the field about 2-3 games more as far as plays per game then the national average. Add that to the fact that so many of the teams in the Big 12 run no huddle at a brisk pace and it skews things even more. an even better example is how they all kept saying that OU gave up a "nation leading four kickoff returns for touchdowns." Obviously that's not good, but they also kicked off more than just about everyone in the country. As far as average that they gave up, they were about in the middle.
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Post by jangalang on Jan 9, 2009 14:33:50 GMT -6
I thought this guy gets it right for the most part: What about the numbers put up by Texas Tech, Texas, Mizzou, and Oklahoma St??.....they all averaged over 40 a game!
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Post by throwonfirstdown on Jan 9, 2009 15:03:08 GMT -6
I thought OU's defense really flashed throughout the game. Their front gave Florida some trouble throughout the game.
The underlying issue here was that Florida looked like a team that was built to grind it out a little more than OU. I'm not going to get into this SEC superiority argument, but you can tell that UF was used to having to battle through a game, where OU wasn't.
They looked a little shocked going into halftime that they couldn't light up the scoreboard against Florida.
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Post by endersgame on Jan 9, 2009 15:10:37 GMT -6
I think that OK's tempo really hurt them in this game. Their defense was playing great, at first, but in the end they were just on the field too much. I think if OK would have slowed down the tempo That's interesting, because during those red zone drives in the first half I was thinking they needed to slow their tempo down more, too. Their runs were being stopped, and when things aren't going well for your team you need to slow down, take a step back, and take a breather. Increasing the tempo when you are being stopped that deep just makes a person/team think frantically and desperately, IMO. Just like in tennis, if you aren't playing well for a set you need to slow down, take a few deep breaths and calm down. Take your time serving, or in this case getting to the line and snapping the ball, etc. Maybe take a time-out or something (though at the time I tuned in I wasn't sure how many time-outs the teams had)....
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 9, 2009 15:55:32 GMT -6
Of all the bowl games played, this one had very little I feel like actually making a football comment on. I am SOOOO sick of the look-to-the-sidelines crap, let the D set, look to the side lines again, wait, look again, okay now run the play. If you can't coach your ALL world QB to read a defense and get your offense into the right call you might want to rethink some things. Oy vey.,.....I think you are missing the concept, entirely. How so? I'd like to discuss this more but I don't want to hijack this thread.
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Post by coachsky on Jan 9, 2009 15:57:48 GMT -6
I thought there was a key non-call in the first quarter.
I thought Florida's Safety should have been called for spearing on breaking up that play along the sidelines. He led with his facemask with no attempt to wrap up. USC (Mays) was called for a similar call inthe Rose Bowl.
In a game this close, that might have made a difference.
I agree that the one announcer was over the top in his praise for Tebow. In this day and age when we are so quick to focus on the negative at least these announcers where focused on someone doing somethnig postive.
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Post by ftbll7801 on Jan 9, 2009 17:30:18 GMT -6
I thought there was a key non-call in the first quarter. I thought Florida's Safety should have been called for spearing on breaking up that play along the sidelines. He led with his facemask with no attempt to wrap up. USC (Mays) was called for a similar call inthe Rose Bowl. In a game this close, that might have made a difference. I agree that the one announcer was over the top in his praise for Tebow. In this day and age when we are so quick to focus on the negative at least these announcers where focused on someone doing somethnig postive. I agree with this statement totally. He glanced once at the ball then just layed head long into Johnson. I will say as an OL/DL guy for most of my life that it is very frustrating that OU won the war in the trenches on both sides of the ball and still lost. I thought the D played well, especially since they are supposed to be so terrible. Great game for a fan, but very painful for this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2009 18:52:56 GMT -6
i havent really seen much of oklahoma all season, not really watching in detail..was looking forwards to a chance to get to see their offense. i keep hearing about the up-tempo thing, but their offense didnt look all that quick with the look to the sidelines stuff, usually got plays off in about 25 seconds or so, according to fox's little clock thing in the corner (which didnt really seem to make much sense). is that how long they usually take, or is it because of what florida was giving them defensively?
btw..highlight of the night
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Post by coachtut on Jan 9, 2009 23:05:11 GMT -6
Coachtut, most astute comment of the year. I am wonderiing what was wrong with "I" for the Sooners, as they continually went away from it and rarely had much play action off of the under run game. I want to get my hands on the film and see what exactly their success was. It seemed to me that when they lined up in the I that they were physically dominating the Florida defensive line.
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Post by Yash on Jan 9, 2009 23:25:43 GMT -6
I thought there was a key non-call in the first quarter. I thought Florida's Safety should have been called for spearing on breaking up that play along the sidelines. He led with his facemask with no attempt to wrap up. USC (Mays) was called for a similar call inthe Rose Bowl. Spearing is leading with the crown of the helmet. Taylor mays was called for helmet to helmet contact.
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Post by bcurrier on Jan 13, 2009 1:54:55 GMT -6
Oklahoma got what it deserved! I thought along the same lines as 'coachtut' and 'coachorr.' They've got that beefy offensive line, big and athletic TE, quality running back, big play threat at WR, and that QB -- and they're not in the I and just pounding Florida?!?!?
And I'm with 'knight9299' 100% -- I, too, am sick of seeing that 'no-huddle-hurry-up-&-line-up-so-we-can-look-to-the-sideline-to-see-if-the-coaches-changed-their-mind' look. The OU staff had 4 weeks to prepare for the game and they couldn't get their Heisman-winning, perfectionist QB and veteran, future-NFL offensive line prepped to make a huddle call and then make adjustments at the LOS?!?!? 'goldenbear76' used the perfect word, "timid." Just wondering...how many times do you suppose they actually changed the call?
I love football and the end of the season is always bittersweet - the simultaneous climax of the competition and impending end of the slate of games. But the college season couldn't get over soon enough for me. The spread offense CRAP (including the no-huddle-look-to-the-sideline rigamarole) has just about ruined the game for me. And I'm sick of watching defenses panic, abandon sound defensive principles, and try all kinds of goofy stuff in their attempts to stop spread offenses. Sound defense and sound technique works! One of the things about football that makes it so great is...there is an undeniable equilibrium built deep in the heart of the game. It is NO ACCIDENT that the final 4 teams in the NFL are all playing sound, hard-nosed defense and fielding solid running games, even normally pass-happy teams like Philadelphia and Arizona.
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