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Post by airraider on Jan 3, 2009 14:39:12 GMT -6
At first I tought, man.. this is bad of these coaches.. then I thought.. I am sure I have said some things in a heated moment in the midst of a huddle that I would not want put on youtube.
How do you feel about this?.. what seems to be someone who was paid/allowed to film from the sidelines.. taking candid video and posting these moments on youtube?
WARNING!! Graphic language
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Post by cc on Jan 3, 2009 14:40:40 GMT -6
Where is the link???
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Post by airraider on Jan 3, 2009 14:42:49 GMT -6
sorry.. it was messed up at first.. fixed now
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2009 14:55:13 GMT -6
WOW..this is NOT a good thing for coaches. Just more fuel for them to fire you when "they" (you know who "they" represents) want to.
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Post by airraider on Jan 3, 2009 15:00:25 GMT -6
WOW..this is NOT a good thing for coaches. Just more fuel for them to fire you when "they" (you know who "they" represents) want to. Yea, this is just one of those.. OH CRAP.. things.. where you just know you are screwed.. I actually did a live mic segment during a game this year.. for the entire first half of a game.. I KNOW I said some things on there that I would absolutely not want anyone hearing.. from that game on.. I made it a point to NEVER cuss anywhere within my program.. and this carried over everywhere else in my life as well.. of course I was not perfect.. but was much better. I also held my coaches and kids to it.. even had kids holding other coaches to it if they accidently said a stray word. |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 3, 2009 15:02:00 GMT -6
The first coach uses some explicit language way too much, but every staff is different. I've been around coaches who don't swear at all and i've been around some that swear often, not as much as this guy though. I personally wouldn't use that type of language but if the AD or parents never complain then he'll continue to speak that way.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 3, 2009 16:43:17 GMT -6
My general rule for swearing is something I picked up from my college HC, which is this: there are two types of swearing, 1-OWCH! I stubbed my toe, and 2-conversational swearing. He believed, and I agree with him, that the former has a place on the football field while the latter has no place anywhere.
I extend that policy to my players, allowing them to swear when emotional (Sh*t, I missed that block) or hurt (damn that hurts), but not conversationally (that INT f*cked us/that's pretty sh*tty).
Never been a HC, but I don't believe in allowing coaches to swear and do my absolute best to avoid it myself. That said, I'm only human and I do my pushups for every S and F bomb I drop, same as them.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 3, 2009 17:57:33 GMT -6
Used to work for a head coach who couldn't get through a sentence without dropping the "f" bomb a couple of times...guy was a master with the word...used it as a noun, a verb, an adjective...he was good! ;D
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Post by coachorr on Jan 3, 2009 18:15:43 GMT -6
We had a principal who removed all of the chairs that the basketball teams used. We had some real nice padded chairs for the bench with the team emblem and school colors. He said they were a fire hazard. So, we had to sit on the bleachers. I personally thought this was a bigger liability to have the crowd right in your huddle.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 3, 2009 18:30:35 GMT -6
On one hand, gotta say, we have to coach without cussing. Our HC forbids F-boms, and JCs and I agree with him 100%.
On the other hand, you could probably take 3-10 seconds clips from one coaching staff during an entire game, and piece together something that looks bad.
Just one example
Me asking our OC upstairs "What the hell was [johnny] doing??"
Our OC saying, "Pftt, who knows, got his head up his ass, get him off the field"
Could you imagine if Johnny was an admins kid?
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Post by airraider on Jan 3, 2009 18:34:38 GMT -6
On one hand, gotta say, we have to coach without cussing. Our HC forbids F-boms, and JCs and I agree with him 100%. On the other hand, you could probably take 3-10 seconds clips from one coaching staff during an entire game, and piece together something that looks bad. Just one example Me asking our OC upstairs "What the hell was [johnny] doing??" Our OC saying, "Pftt, who knows, got his head up his ass, get him off the field" Could you imagine if Johnny was an admins kid? And that brings me to the problem.. based on this guy's youtube name, he films games for teams.. which to me.. him taking this video and putting it out there is wrong.. the coaches are WRONG.. but this guy is WRONG-WRONG.. |
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 3, 2009 19:08:23 GMT -6
My 2 cents,
On the sideline, in the open public like that, a coach shouldnt swear. It goes back to setting an example for young men.
In the coaches office, with just coaches is another thing.
During practice, I dont let my players cuss. It shows a lack of vocabulary and doesnt set a good example for underclassmen. Plus we have at least 10-15 parents who sit and watch practice everyday.
If its me and a player one on one in private , personally I dont realy care as long as the player is an upperclassmen and its just something like ass or d@mn.
As for myself, I stick to the old Lou Holtz rule "If it is in the bible, then its fair game" but since I have been known to get pretty fiery during practices though, I made a rule this past season with my position groups that if I drop an F bomb , I owe them players that heard me a gatorade after practice.
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Post by dc207 on Jan 4, 2009 1:23:24 GMT -6
I'm not a politician and am not going to act like one - self-monitoring 24-7.
Now, that being said during games for whatever reason I am able to be calm and understated with a lot of things. Not as crazy particularly with cussing on Friday night from 7-10 pm.
In practice? Team meetings? That's a different story, and I think I can say what I want, how I want. In games where the ref's are on the sideline, along with photographers and some reporters (nearby) - I have been able to be very controlled.
Wish I could say the same thing all the time.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 4, 2009 10:01:06 GMT -6
I agree Air Raider, this guy is wrong. The right thing to do would be to black ball him from all games. That would be poetic.
Swearing is one thing, but this is something entirely different. I swore probably ten or twenty times around the kids this last season, but all were "Ouch I stubbed my toe" and none were the F bomb. I believe swearing has no place around kids, however, no one is perfect.
Point of information, the schools playing were Taft and Crenshaw; pretty rough places. Not a justification just an interesting aspect
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 4, 2009 11:10:14 GMT -6
Found it ironic that the same guy leading the prayer is the one who is swearing. Also, What were his coaching points... Hit him in the earhole.... cheat in a little... wow great coaching points.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Jan 4, 2009 13:01:46 GMT -6
If I hear a kid cuss, it's 20 push-ups. If I cuss...it's 20 push ups.
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Post by brophy on Jan 5, 2009 9:29:19 GMT -6
if parents don't like you, they can do this from the stands.......
yes, the sidelines should be 'sacred'.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 5, 2009 12:32:58 GMT -6
What's wrong with "Cheat in a little bit"? I have said similar comments to corners when on the goal line or in short yardage situations.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 5, 2009 12:38:08 GMT -6
he dropped a few F bombs... i really do not see the big deal. I have never met a football coach who doesnt drop the F bomb every now and then. Football is a game of passion and in the heat of a game, you aren't exactly choosing your words wisely. What comes out is raw emotions. I am sure some will probably rip this post apart saying how horrible his actions were, i am just saying in the grand scheme of life, him saying some F bombs really isnt a big deal.
And to the "_ him up" comment, i am sure he meant this as hit him hard, not try to injure him. more of a try to run him over
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 5, 2009 12:51:46 GMT -6
This might sound holier than thou. None of the coaches on our staff do this. Not one. We had a staff of coaches come watch a spring workout session for a week a few years ago. One thing they said at the end of the week.
"It's amazing how much you get out of your players without cussing at them". They were dumbfounded.
Now, as far as videotaping. I have sideline filmers that film coaches. With us not really cussing a whole lot I'm not worried about the footage.
I'm a pretty good cusser when I need to....I just don't really do it a whole lot on the field. Just the way we do it.
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Post by airraider on Jan 5, 2009 12:52:02 GMT -6
he dropped a few F bombs... i really do not see the big deal. I have never met a football coach who doesnt drop the F bomb every now and then. Football is a game of passion and in the heat of a game, you aren't exactly choosing your words wisely. What comes out is raw emotions. I am sure some will probably rip this post apart saying how horrible his actions were, i am just saying in the grand scheme of life, him saying some F bombs really isnt a big deal. And to the "_ him up" comment, i am sure he meant this as hit him hard, not try to injure him. more of a try to run him over Brace yourself my friend.. |
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 5, 2009 13:06:13 GMT -6
he dropped a few F bombs... i really do not see the big deal. I have never met a football coach who doesnt drop the F bomb every now and then. Football is a game of passion and in the heat of a game, you aren't exactly choosing your words wisely. What comes out is raw emotions. I am sure some will probably rip this post apart saying how horrible his actions were, i am just saying in the grand scheme of life, him saying some F bombs really isnt a big deal. And to the "_ him up" comment, i am sure he meant this as hit him hard, not try to injure him. more of a try to run him over I wouldn't want you coaching my son...it's the way I look at it. Talk to the pros that way...fine, but ultimately, as coaches, we're suppose to lead by example. We're working with kids. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 5, 2009 13:18:21 GMT -6
I don't swear. I don't believe in using the language. Now, am I perfect? {censored} No!
I always remind the kids and coaches the following story:
When I was a grade schooler the high school I would later attend won a state title, they made it back to the semi's the following year and would have won it all again. However, late in the game leading 10-7 one of the kids dropped an F-bomb. The ref heard him, ejected him, and the other team got 15 yards and wound up kicking a FG to ti the game to send it to OT where they then won it. The kid who was booted as an all-state linemen.
Watching those guys lose because of one slip of the tongue sticks with me today.
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