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Post by coachtut on Nov 29, 2008 12:02:14 GMT -6
sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3733021Wow, not at the team walkthrough or team meetings because he is not playing this week? I think the team would be better off with him mentoring the younger players and being there for game planning instead of shooting himself at a club.
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Post by tog on Nov 29, 2008 12:08:55 GMT -6
sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3733021Wow, not at the team walkthrough or team meetings because he is not playing this week? I think the team would be better off with him mentoring the younger players and being there for game planning instead of shooting himself at a club. i think the team would be better off with him not on the team
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 12:59:55 GMT -6
He was just trying to get out of serving in the 'Nam...
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Post by davecisar on Nov 29, 2008 13:15:52 GMT -6
How many of us leave the house with a handgun when we go out to "socialize"? Even when I was a kid and lived in the hood, none of us did. If it is a place you feel you need to be armed, maybe that's a place you can choose to avoid going to. It isnt like he isnt mobile and cant find safe and reasonable places to go to, I just dont get that.
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Post by caseyd123 on Nov 29, 2008 13:26:01 GMT -6
dave, I'm not going to defend Plax but did you by chance see the latest ESPN the magazine? The cover story was about players being pretty much scared shtless with the recent violence towards NFL players ex: Sean Taylor, Darrent WIlliams, Richard Collier, Dunta Robinson. The scariest part of the article was when they mentioned how many players are now carrying guns around because they no longer feel safe once they leave the team's facilities. Clinton Portis has a big time state-of-the-art security system all around his house.
Now on to Plax, as a Giants fan he is getting downright old. Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith thank god have Amani Toomer in the clubhouse mentoring them as they both seem to have their heads on straight. I think the Giants need to amass all the Game film from this year where Plax didn't play and show him "Hey, we can do this with or without you, its up to you. These kids want to play and can play. Just look at what they did given the opportunity because you were unavailable." With guys like Manningham, Smith and Hixon on the squad I think Plax really better watch it
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Post by davecisar on Nov 29, 2008 13:35:28 GMT -6
I didnt read the entire article but my guess it occured after 1am. How many of us at that age with real jobs and responsibilites are out that late and going to places you feel you need guns and are armed? If I these players have options and all the NFL guys do, maybe thats a place/situation they need to avoid placing themselves in. I dont know the other guys you mentioned in the article, I dont follow the NFL but my guess is the ones that got in trouble had a long history of embracing the gun/thug thing and probably were close to where trouble always is. If Im wrong I certainly apologize I know nothing of any of those fellas.
Being rich and putting a security system around your home is much different than associationg with thugs going to night clubs in the wee hours with a gun in your pocket.
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Post by caseyd123 on Nov 29, 2008 13:42:01 GMT -6
and you're absolutely right, a lot of these guys won't drop the thug thing once they get into the NFL. The scary one was Dunta Robinson, CB for Houston. Sitting in his house watching college FB on a saturday, 4 guys barge in throw his little girls in a closet, bind him and tie him down in his own living room as they proceed to rob his house. Before they leave they say "you're a good player so we won't kill you."
-CD
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 13:42:37 GMT -6
I understand carrying a gun because you feel threatened. It is easy to say "if you feel threatened, don't go there". These are young, single guys with some money...what do you expect them to do? Sit at home on the weekend reading the Bible?
Here's the problem I have...why was the gun out? If you are going to carry a gun because you feel that people are trying to hurt you or steal from you, fine. You have the right to protect yourself. But why was Buress's gun not holstered? Guns just don't fire on their own...they are complicated mechanical devices that require a substantial amount of pressure applied in a very specific manner to discharge. So, what was Plaxico doing? Was he showing off? Was he drunk? Either behavior is completely inconsistent with responsible gun ownership.
But that would be my question if I'm Tom Coughlin..."Plaxico, why was the gun unholstered?"
Leads me to believe that there is a lot more to this story.
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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 29, 2008 14:02:41 GMT -6
I didnt read the entire article but my guess it occured after 1am. How many of us at that age with real jobs and responsibilites are out that late and going to places you feel you need guns and are armed? If I these players have options and all the NFL guys do, maybe thats a place/situation they need to avoid placing themselves in. I dont know the other guys you mentioned in the article, I dont follow the NFL but my guess is the ones that got in trouble had a long history of embracing the gun/thug thing and probably were close to where trouble always is. If Im wrong I certainly apologize I know nothing of any of those fellas. Being rich and putting a security system around your home is much different than associationg with thugs going to night clubs in the wee hours with a gun in your pocket. That is assuming... that is not really fair. You can't assume it happened after 1am. Do you ever go out? Not even when you don't have work the next day? I'm sure alot of "people with real jobs" go out on weekends.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2008 15:14:37 GMT -6
dave, I'm not going to defend Plax but did you by chance see the latest ESPN the magazine? The cover story was about players being pretty much scared shtless with the recent violence towards NFL players ex: Sean Taylor, Darrent WIlliams, Richard Collier, Dunta Robinson. The scariest part of the article was when they mentioned how many players are now carrying guns around because they no longer feel safe once they leave the team's facilities. Clinton Portis has a big time state-of-the-art security system all around his house. Now on to Plax, as a Giants fan he is getting downright old. Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith thank god have Amani Toomer in the clubhouse mentoring them as they both seem to have their heads on straight. I think the Giants need to amass all the Game film from this year where Plax didn't play and show him "Hey, we can do this with or without you, its up to you. These kids want to play and can play. Just look at what they did given the opportunity because you were unavailable." With guys like Manningham, Smith and Hixon on the squad I think Plax really better watch it -CD The violence towards these players isn't random and it's not directed at them because they're professional athletes. They are thug idiots who associate with thug idiots. I don't want to hear any argument about "not understanding because I'm not from the hood". A seven figure yearly salary seems more than sufficient to severe ties with the criminal sh-t that these people choose to spend time with. I also don't want to hear an arguments pertaining to the NFL not "educating" these young men. They are grown men who have the resources and exposure to make a profoundly positive impact on the world. Yet, they choose to waste all of that by living their life like a wealthy version of Lord of The Flies. Bottom line, if you hang out with indivdiuals whom you feel necessitate the ownership of a firearm for safety, you deserve to get shot.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 29, 2008 15:17:29 GMT -6
I didnt read the entire article but my guess it occured after 1am. How many of us at that age with real jobs and responsibilites are out that late and going to places you feel you need guns and are armed? If I these players have options and all the NFL guys do, maybe thats a place/situation they need to avoid placing themselves in. I dont know the other guys you mentioned in the article, I dont follow the NFL but my guess is the ones that got in trouble had a long history of embracing the gun/thug thing and probably were close to where trouble always is. If Im wrong I certainly apologize I know nothing of any of those fellas. Being rich and putting a security system around your home is much different than associationg with thugs going to night clubs in the wee hours with a gun in your pocket. That is assuming... that is not really fair. You can't assume it happened after 1am. Do you ever go out? Not even when you don't have work the next day? I'm sure alot of "people with real jobs" go out on weekends. I stay away from anywhere where I feel I would need a gun to be safe which leaves me 100s of options. Im sure Mr Burress has the same options where he lives being he has a working vehicle and cash. It's his choices reaping his consequences as well.
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Post by coachtut on Nov 29, 2008 15:21:11 GMT -6
Some athletes just don't take their jobs seriously. Plax is one of them.
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Post by levydisciple on Nov 29, 2008 15:37:40 GMT -6
How come it always seems to be the talented ones who do stuff like this? Or is it just the fact that these athletes get attention because they're good and then more attention because they do stupid things that lead me to believe the more talent you have directly correlates with more off-field trouble? lmaooooooo
Yeah, not looking forward to coaching guys like this. You're a star athlete who won a Super Bowl and who has a decent chance of winning another if you can just stay focused, and you shoot yourself in the foot while out clubbing? As a friend of mine would sarcastically say, "G-g-g-g-genius!"
Anyways, it's a shame he's wasting his talent like this. How do you reach these players? Guys like TO and Plax never seem to learn their lesson, but guys like Randy Moss and Corey Dillon (going back a couple of years) have turned a new leaf. Why is this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 15:52:03 GMT -6
Honestly, I wouldn't put TO in this category. He's a DA at times, but it doesn't seem to effect his play for whatever reason.
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Post by levydisciple on Nov 29, 2008 16:03:13 GMT -6
More of a trouble-maker than Plax, IMO. He just doesn't get suspended.
I guess maybe the last year or so he's been okay, other than his loud mouth, "Get ya popcorn ready" incident. *rolls eyes*
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Post by coachorr on Nov 29, 2008 16:16:03 GMT -6
I often times come into class at 8:00 in the AM after clubbing it all night with a sidearm. Why not just stay home and heal up?
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 16:31:20 GMT -6
The incident was apparently caught on video:
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 29, 2008 16:55:34 GMT -6
I disagree with anyone defending Burress from carrying a gun. Inexcusable. If you go somewhere, and you're afraid of getting shot and killed...the answer is don't go there. Period.
He was carrying that weapon for one reason only. So he could be a "hard core gangster". I would be willing to bet he wants to get caught. He's made his millions...he probably wants out of the NFL.
And don't tell me there isn't anywhere in NY a guy can't go to party without feeling like his life is in danger. C'mon Coaches...
Some telling quotes from the article
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 17:02:05 GMT -6
I disagree with anyone defending Burress from carrying a gun. Inexcusable. If you go somewhere, and you're afraid of getting shot and killed...the answer is don't go there. Period. He was carrying that weapon for one reason only. So he could be a "hard core gangster". I would be willing to bet he wants to get caught. He's made his millions...he probably wants out of the NFL. And don't tell me there isn't anywhere in NY a guy can't go to party without feeling like his life is in danger. C'mon Coaches... Some telling quotes from the article Sean Taylor was in his home when his family was attacked and he was murdered. I guess that is his fault, too, huh? Probably shouldn't have lived there, right? Violent crime can happen ANYWHERE. Again, what I want to know is why the gun was unholstered. That is the question people should be asking...
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Post by davecisar on Nov 29, 2008 17:16:08 GMT -6
I disagree with anyone defending Burress from carrying a gun. Inexcusable. If you go somewhere, and you're afraid of getting shot and killed...the answer is don't go there. Period. He was carrying that weapon for one reason only. So he could be a "hard core gangster". I would be willing to bet he wants to get caught. He's made his millions...he probably wants out of the NFL. And don't tell me there isn't anywhere in NY a guy can't go to party without feeling like his life is in danger. C'mon Coaches... Some telling quotes from the article Sean Taylor was in his home when his family was attacked and he was murdered. I guess that is his fault, too, huh? Probably shouldn't have lived there, right? Violent crime can happen ANYWHERE. Again, what I want to know is why the gun was unholstered. That is the question people should be asking... Sean Taylor had been living the gangster life for quite some time. he was no innocent bystander. You cant turn around that big a ship on a dime in a heartbeat etc. If you live that life for that length of time it is going to catch up to you, at some point. Too bad for him, but you reap what you sow. Viloent crime is going to follow you home if you choose to live that life or if you decide to go out on the town carrying handguns. I have a gun in my home, I never carry it out with me for a night out on the town, HUGE difference. Ive been to NYC many times and been out after 12:00 there and never felt in danger, lots of very safe places to go there and of course unsafe if you decide to chose that path. Unholstered or not, he shouldnt have been carrying a gun, that's asking for trouble and against the law. How many NFL players have we heard about that are in the news because they shot a would be robber or intruder? You dont, because it just doesnt happen in real life.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2008 17:49:16 GMT -6
I disagree with anyone defending Burress from carrying a gun. Inexcusable. If you go somewhere, and you're afraid of getting shot and killed...the answer is don't go there. Period. He was carrying that weapon for one reason only. So he could be a "hard core gangster". I would be willing to bet he wants to get caught. He's made his millions...he probably wants out of the NFL. And don't tell me there isn't anywhere in NY a guy can't go to party without feeling like his life is in danger. C'mon Coaches... Some telling quotes from the article Sean Taylor was in his home when his family was attacked and he was murdered. I guess that is his fault, too, huh? Probably shouldn't have lived there, right? Violent crime can happen ANYWHERE. Again, what I want to know is why the gun was unholstered. That is the question people should be asking... Sean Taylor cannot be lumped in the average person who experiences violence during a home invasion. He wasn't an average person who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time", during a robbery. He was targeted because he lived like a thug for a very long time. He associated with criminals and paid the price for it. I don't think it's very responsible for any coach or teacher to condone carrying firearm for "protection".
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 17:58:22 GMT -6
Sean Taylor had been living the gangster life for quite some time. he was no innocent bystander. You cant turn around that big a ship on a dime in a heartbeat etc. If you live that life for that length of time it is going to catch up to you, at some point. Dave...read this slowly, take Midol for any cramps...the kid was IN HIS HOUSE with his girlfriend and his kid. His lifestyle prior to his murder had nothing to do with his death. Read the police reports. Taylor was an innocent victim of random, violent crime. I have a gun in my home, I never carry it out with me for a night out on the town, HUGE difference. I know LOTS of people who leave the house with a firearm...had a good buddy who delivered pizzas pack a pistol after being held up. I know another guy, a truck driver, who keeps a sawed-off shotgun in his cab because he has to sleep in his truck a lot. You're missing the point here, though. There are two separate issues. The first issue is carrying a weapon for personal protection. The second issue is using that weapon irresponsibly which, at least until we have more facts, appears what happened in Burress's case. Ive been to NYC many times and been out after 12:00 there and never felt in danger, lots of very safe places to go there and of course unsafe if you decide to chose that path. You're kidding, right? #1...you are a nondescript white guy and #2 (despite your moderate Internet and clinic circuit celebrity), few people on the street know who you or what you have. Unholstered or not, he shouldnt have been carrying a gun, that's asking for trouble and against the law. How many NFL players have we heard about that are in the news because they shot a would be robber or intruder? You dont, because it just doesnt happen in real life. Actually, you're wrong. According to the NRA, guns are used over a million times a year to help someone avoid crime. In fact, in the vast majority of those incidents, the gun is not even discharged. The simple presence of a gun is enough to discourage a would-be perp. And, is it against the law? Many states have concealed carry laws. I'm not sure about what the status is where this incident happened. Again, I think that people have the right to defend themselves. Violent crime can happen anywhere...ask those kids at Virginia Tech or those people who weren't doing anything more "thuggish" than eating at the Luby's in Kileen, Texas when George Hennard drove his pickup through the dining room and started shooting.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 18:00:34 GMT -6
Sean Taylor was in his home when his family was attacked and he was murdered. I guess that is his fault, too, huh? Probably shouldn't have lived there, right? Violent crime can happen ANYWHERE. Again, what I want to know is why the gun was unholstered. That is the question people should be asking... Sean Taylor cannot be lumped in the average person who experiences violence during a home invasion. He wasn't an average person who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time", during a robbery. He was targeted because he lived like a thug for a very long time. He associated with criminals and paid the price for it. I don't think it's very responsible for any coach or teacher to condone carrying firearm for "protection". No, no no! You are WRONG. Please read the police reports on Taylor. He was not "targeted" because of his "thug lifestyle". You are completely wrong about that. Taylor was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The attack that resulted in his death had NOTHING to do with his lifestyle. Before you post a response, do some research and read about the guys who were arrested for the crime. You will be surprised...
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 29, 2008 18:06:28 GMT -6
Ive been to NYC many times and been out after 12:00 there and never felt in danger, lots of very safe places to go there and of course unsafe if you decide to chose that path. Umm, just one difference...YOU AREN'T PLAXICO. YOU aren't recognizable, YOUR wealth, while it might exceed Plax's, IS NOT known. YOU probably aren't going to get challenged by people lubricated with liquid courage. Now, I am not apologizing for Plaxico. He is a moron. That is evident. He is yet another in a long line of talented football players (amazingly many are WR's....) whose view of the world includes only one themselves. It seems VERY likely that he is someone who has always been given chance after chance, and safety net after safety net because of his athletic ability. It is easy to speculate that if he did NOT have that athletic ability, he would be toiling around in meaningless work, blaming the world for all his trouble. I was talking to Peyton and Eli over the summer, and both happened to touch on that subject. While Peyton was never the "clubber" Eli..ehem..appreciates a good party. However, he realizes that his celebrity status is NOT very conducive for that part of his life anymore.....because he IS INDEED " marked" and even at the most exclusive places, liquid courage can change many a man. The relayed stories about how the NFL security staff revealed incidences where doormen, waitresses, etc...would let info slip to people..who would let info slip to people...and before you knew it, someone would be arriving at the club, waiting with BAD intentions for whichever NFL star happened to be in the establishment.
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Post by Coach Bruce on Nov 29, 2008 18:21:40 GMT -6
Whether SEAN Taylor was a random target at that particular time is in question..there are MANY unanswered questions in the case as stated by the police. The fact remains that Taylor lived like a thug and eventually died like one also.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2008 18:36:58 GMT -6
Apparently I was incorrect about the Sean Taylor incident.
However; carrying a weapon for "protection" at a dance club is shear idiocy. The fact that Buress shot himself in the leg is proof of just HOW stupid the whole thing is.
If he feels that he needs protection when he goes out, then he should do what other celebrities do; hire a reputable, professional body guard. Or better yet, find a better crowd to hang around with.
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Post by tog on Nov 29, 2008 18:44:13 GMT -6
I disagree with anyone defending Burress from carrying a gun. Inexcusable. If you go somewhere, and you're afraid of getting shot and killed...the answer is don't go there. Period. i wish we could all carry legally if we wanted to and without paperwork like the 2nd says we can ---shall not be infringed but come on plax is a Dummazzz
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Post by k on Nov 29, 2008 18:46:48 GMT -6
Wow for a board that is very very very politically conservative there are a lot of people here hating on his constitutionally protected right to carry a firearm.
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Post by tog on Nov 29, 2008 18:49:46 GMT -6
Wow for a board that is very very very politically conservative there are a lot of people here hating on his constitutionally protected right to carry a firearm. unreal aint it? now let's focus on the football aspect of this would you want plax on your team? skips out on meetings just becuase he knows he isn't going to play? after all the other crap he has pulled? i would trade him for best value or just cut him
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2008 18:57:47 GMT -6
Wow for a board that is very very very politically conservative there are a lot of people here hating on his constitutionally protected right to carry a firearm. We're upset because Burress is selling a pretty good case for NOT being able to carry a firearm. He wasn't legally exercising his right to bear arms; the weapon was illegally concealed. Carrying a gun may be a right, but it needs to be treated as a privilege. And I'm from MT; the term "gun control" pertains to loading your rifle correctly around here.
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