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Post by coachg8 on Nov 18, 2008 19:20:58 GMT -6
this is directed to any airraid coaches out there: what are some basic qualities that you look for in the athletes you choose for the different positions, X, Y, Z, H and F?
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Post by highball007 on Nov 18, 2008 20:30:03 GMT -6
Well to start I look for a 1 on 1 player that can go deep to play my X position. I then like a well rounded player that can rush the ball as well to play my H. My Y is going to be similar to my X just opposite side of the ball and he will be a bit quicker I have a few more screens for him. My Z is my best offensive player all around can run catch and has the moves to make people miss. Lots of screens and under routes. My Z and H are the WR's that move sides of the ball for different formations, X & Y stay on their sides and they are always the outside WR. My F is a back that has great hands I like to throw to the backs. I do have formations were my F is outside of my Y and X.
Each coach must look for what he can utilize the best in his players.
Hope this helps!
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 18, 2008 23:40:45 GMT -6
I honestly to an extent believe that it doesnt matter in the offense where you put them, you can formation the call to get the matchup you want and your Qb is gona find a way to get the best athletes the ball. BUT if I had to prioritize I would go Y and Z are my 2 best receivers. If I only had 1 good reciever, they would go to Y, the Y really is your stud who is a possesion guy with good speed but not neccesarily the fastest guy on the field..like I said just your best all around receiver. Reason being is because the offense is built around the Y. In Ace Flip the Y is singled up one on one backside, and you can move him around with a LEFT call. The second best reciever/ fastest reciever will go to Z, you need at least 1 game breaker out side. Z also moves around alot in your formations, flip, flop. With this said this puts alot of stress on a defensive coordinator to have your 2 best atheletes on one side of the ball when you want to. Usually ive seen in the past that since their your best athletes their also your best screen blockers/ screen runners. I will put my 3rd best/ next fastest guy at X. If you in high school can have a great athlete/ hands guy at Y, and 2 game breakers on the outside your gona score alot of points. H is a either your 4 best WR, a hybrid WR/RB or a RB/WR..most of the H's routes in this offense can be designed for just short routes except wheel routes. You really wanna guy that can make somebody miss in space. If he can also play running back, then its easy to go to BLUE ( 2 back gun), if he is the right type of athlete you can even line him up in the offset I as your Up back. Your F is your best running back. The F's routes are almost just like the H's, all short routes except for Wheel routes. Your running back will hopefully be able to make people miss in space. If you can find 2 good running backs that can catch short pass and make people miss then its gets really easy to call plays.. Just let your quarterback go through his reads, nothings their, pop it down to a back and get 4,5,10,15 yards..really makes life simple...
Hope this helps...
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 19, 2008 7:32:05 GMT -6
ps has a terrific grasp on the personnel although I would like to have a Y that can play tight and wide and my H needs to be tough so he can get in the backfield and do some blocking every now and then. Of course I have never had either one in four years.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 19, 2008 10:35:30 GMT -6
ps gave a good rundown I think. I think ideally, your Y would be a speedy athletic TE type guy. Fast enough, but durable too. A physical player.
I've actually been looking at rosters of BYU and Tx Tech because I have always heard that "The Spread"...Air Raid takes a certain type player. Namely fast! And most people think that you recruit to it by getting smaller faster guys. However, Tx Tech and BYU are not fielding those types. BYU's F back is a big bruiser, where as TT's are all around 5-11 200. I went back to Rivals and found Michael Crabtree and was amazed to find he came out of HS listed as an "Athlete" not a pure WR, and wasn't listed with but 4.55 speed (and that's usually 'optimistic'), but he sure seems to have game speed, and is a good sized WR. I don't get to see TT on TV much here in the south...but I suspect he plays Z as I saw him lined up everywhere when they played TX.
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 19, 2008 11:10:51 GMT -6
I think the point anyone has to understand when looking at this type of offense is that you rarely get the ideal players at each position, that is what i like with this "system" is that you can mold it to suit your players.
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 19, 2008 11:18:59 GMT -6
Crabtree does play Z, I agree with Warrior about the H and Y position. I would LOVE my Y to be able to do like Franklin did with Tommy Trott at Auburn and flex him somtimes and then bring him in tite sometimes, BUT there are pro's and con's. The pro's are is you can either A/ get better angles with a TE ...B/ dictate the strength of the defense, like get that 1 technique on the side you want it on..C/Somtimes get subsitution matchups .. some teams (NOT MANY BUT FEW) substitute a nickle back in when teams go 4 wide.. and a LB when people go 3 wide. The Cons are... A/ Practice time teaching a TE to block and run all his routes in the air raid.. thats tuff....B/ Finding a GOOD TE in high school C/ If you do have a TE, most are gona be slower than your speedy recievers, do you wana sacrifice speed for it?
The H is a tuff position to fill... because like Warrior said you want them to get back there in 2 back and block somtime. Thats why i look for a hybrid guy that can make people miss in space... I feel like I can turn these guys into being a blocker 5-6 times a game at most on a Db or Outside LB... Now putting him in as the Up Back in your off set I or regular I is another story... I usually like to substitute a BIG bruiser here if I know its a running situation or a Blitz situation.
Bottom Line is you need a good running back.. whether it be your QB or F, At least 1 good reciever,and you need a good quarterback to be successfull in this offense. The rest of the positions is just hypothetical. Normally most high schools wind up haing a good QB, a good RB, two solid receivers at Z and Y, a basketball sissy but Ok type player at X and there worst reciever but one that will bust their tail at H..
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 19, 2008 11:32:42 GMT -6
great point ps about the practice time. you have to figure out how much practice time you are willing to give to these hybrid positions.
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 19, 2008 11:34:56 GMT -6
You also have to figure out what to do if that person that can be a hybrid goes down, because there are not many of these guys, that position, if you depend on it becomes big to your offense. If the backup at that position can't do what you are asking you may be in a little trouble if he goes down, esp. at a small school.
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 19, 2008 13:58:54 GMT -6
Thats one reason I like basing everything out of 4 and 5 wide sets. I use the 2 back usually only when I need protection, hardely ever to run the ball because of the reason you stated. Thats another reason I like the ability to signal plays in but also use wrist bands because if you do need another guy to play a different position you can do it with ease.
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 20, 2008 11:10:44 GMT -6
Why is it better to signal in plays than go off wristbands for personnel? I would think it would be easier to slap another wristband on a player that tells him what to do.
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 20, 2008 12:13:16 GMT -6
Thats what im sayin coach, I like the ability to use the wrist bands, but I wana be able to signal just about everything we do for the purpose of tempo and speeding the game up.
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 20, 2008 12:29:23 GMT -6
gotcha
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 21, 2008 11:22:32 GMT -6
Flex huddle, the reciever to each side of the formation that has the most route tags, let him get the play from the QB and relay back out as he gets in position.
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 21, 2008 11:25:13 GMT -6
Y has to be good, but my preference is to put one of the best who can catch at TE so they end up getting people who are run stoppers first on them. True, LB are usually the best athletes to an extent, but they are looking into the backfield mose than they are going to play pure coverage.
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 21, 2008 13:15:35 GMT -6
Agreed, your Y HAS to be a dependable guy who can take a hit. The offense is really focused around the Y. I have seen big lanky Y's, small fast Y's, and somewhere in between. Just depends on what you want, and what your formation philosophy is really.
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Post by begreat on Nov 25, 2008 22:46:01 GMT -6
Last year I ran this system I didnt have a true TE. So my Y as my go daddy. Short throw for the qb, a tough blocker. He had 50 catches for 900. My H was a kid that can catch and run the ball if need be. He must be the most selfless out of all the Wr's because he has to block and is normally the last read. My X was a bigger kid that could catch the Fade and be a good target when we ran the mesh. We didnt get him the ball as much as I would have liked. That position probably caught 30 balls. My Z was the best route runner of the group. He ran alot of comebacks and could also catch the fade. I had a soph that caught 35 for about 500+.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 26, 2008 1:07:56 GMT -6
X and Z are not as physical as H and Y. Y should have the best hands and H should be the Hybrid between Half and Receiver. F is the everything back, who can run zone read and be able to make catches out of the backfield.
I have never had much luck at having X and Z as one on one guys, so I like to go Dart and move Y to the outside or some sort of flip to put Y on an island. I am waiting for the day when i get a true X.
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