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Post by coachorr on Nov 16, 2008 1:06:55 GMT -6
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Post by airraider on Nov 16, 2008 10:12:07 GMT -6
wow.. the worst part is seeing the people commenting on the video page of how the coach deserved it for pushing the kid..
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Post by caseyd123 on Nov 16, 2008 10:27:27 GMT -6
airraider...thats how the internet is. any video on youtube and i mean ANY video will start an e-war over the most random and sometimes disgusting things... give people anonymity and a free area to comment and the worst in them comes out, truly is fascinating. I wonder if anyone has done a study on it lol
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Post by coachorr on Nov 16, 2008 11:59:46 GMT -6
Casey, well said. Anonymity, brings out the cowards of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 13:00:28 GMT -6
that should never happen. what im also disappointed in is that no one said anything to the kid, he just walked away, and didnt seem to realize what he had just done - no signs of remorse or anything, and no other coaches went to go talk to him.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 16, 2008 14:33:06 GMT -6
Wow. Just wow!!
Everyone in blue should have had #21's attitude...walk away.
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Post by fatkicker on Nov 17, 2008 7:59:03 GMT -6
we don't know how much that kid was fighting......maybe the coach had been pushing him away the entire time....
let's not assume anything from a few seconds of video....
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Post by mce86 on Nov 17, 2008 8:26:02 GMT -6
You can assume alot from the video..the fact that nobody grabs the player, that the other coaches dont intervene....that has to say something about that kid....probably a physical beast with a terrible attitude.
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Post by fatkicker on Nov 17, 2008 11:24:41 GMT -6
i read my post again...it sounded wrong...
my assumption was that the coach may have been breaking up the fight the entire time......this kid could have been involved from the beginning....
as i've said before.....
i'm not a physical or verbal punching bag for anybody........i'd throw the book at him.....i'd file every kind of paper i could find.......
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Post by gmccown on Nov 17, 2008 11:51:43 GMT -6
So hard to make a call based on this video. I would say that where the coach got himself in trouble is when (from what I could see on the video) an already ticked off kid who he's been pushing backward turns his back to walk away and the coach shoves him from behind. Not to smart, most kids will react the exact same way to that one.
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Post by airraider on Nov 17, 2008 12:51:20 GMT -6
I know I have personally pushed.. slung.. pulled.. and maybe even threw kids away in attempts to break up potential fights after games..
Order has to be restored.. and it is your responsibility to control your kids.. so if him pushing him in the back to get him away is over the top and constitutes him deserving it.. then I would just have to deserve it..
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Post by coachorr on Nov 17, 2008 13:54:15 GMT -6
Don't worry. This is where our society is heading. We are becoming unable to distinguish between right and wrong; good and evil. Somehow, people are now coming to the conclusion that the coach is to blame for getting punched. Just like the aholes in the world who make statements that it is the US's fault that the Trade Centers were struck. WTF?
Airraider is right, if a player is out of control, it is the responsibility of the adult to restore order. Pushing and shoving to seperate players is not out of line from the stand point of the coach.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 17, 2008 14:43:03 GMT -6
Kudos to the coach for not retaliating when the kid popped him; I don't know that I would have had the same level of self-control.
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Post by guillaume on Nov 17, 2008 18:50:15 GMT -6
But surely the problem stems from #36 in blue: the action is clearly down and then he wacks a player that has his back to him...COME ON! that is the kind of irresponsible behavior that start these fights in the first place. He is coming from way downfield, everybody around him has stopped and he just continues on...I would pissed as a red/blue player too...
Granted the hit on the coach is unforgivable.
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Post by airraider on Nov 17, 2008 20:24:54 GMT -6
But surely the problem stems from #36 in blue: the action is clearly down and then he wacks a player that has his back to him...COME ON! that is the kind of irresponsible behavior that start these fights in the first place. He is coming from way downfield, everybody around him has stopped and he just continues on...I would {censored} as a red/blue player too... Granted the hit on the coach is unforgivable. There is no doubt.. that is a typical high school football gone wrong event.. Kid hits late.. kid retaliates.. kids and coaches break up the fight.. while other kids "act" like they are getting into it when in reality they HOPE no one on the other team seeks them out.. and then the kid turning on his coach.. this is where the out of the norm part comes in.. Sure we have seen kids turn on officials.. other players of course.. maybe even the other team's coaches.. but to turn on your own coach?? There HAD to be some underlying issues between these two.. |
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Post by backsiderush on Nov 17, 2008 23:34:17 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 18, 2008 6:40:33 GMT -6
But surely the problem stems from #36 in blue: the action is clearly down and then he wacks a player that has his back to him...COME ON! that is the kind of irresponsible behavior that start these fights in the first place. He is coming from way downfield, everybody around him has stopped and he just continues on...I would {censored} as a red/blue player too... I agree 100% That is why I cringe when I read things here on this site by coaches stating "the whistle hasn't blown, its fair game..." "He is on the field, why woosyify the game..." and other B.S like that. Those attitudes are the catalyst behind these events. |
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Post by mce86 on Nov 18, 2008 11:00:39 GMT -6
But surely the problem stems from #36 in blue: the action is clearly down and then he wacks a player that has his back to him...COME ON! that is the kind of irresponsible behavior that start these fights in the first place. He is coming from way downfield, everybody around him has stopped and he just continues on...I would {censored} as a red/blue player too... I agree 100% That is why I cringe when I read things here on this site by coaches stating "the whistle hasn't blown, its fair game..." "He is on the field, why woosyify the game..." and other B.S like that. Those attitudes are the catalyst behind these events. No, those incidents cause personal foul flags and penalize the team. There is NO reason to retaliate to a late hit....you coach to play between the whistles, and you retaliate by kicking butt on the next legal play!!! The fights are caused when retaliation is necessary. You could punch me right in the face (fackmask) and I would care less....its only going to get us an extra 15 yards and likely an ejection for you. Id smile as the kid was thrown out. (did this once in college) |
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Post by gmccown on Nov 18, 2008 11:27:32 GMT -6
All I was saying is that in restoring order sometimes the burden is on the adult to control your actions. Should the player have hit the coach, no, but on the other hand the coach probably wasn't keeping the most level headed approach to the situation. I just feel that it is the adults responsibility to use his head and realize that the player is 15-20 yards from where the fight took place and moving away..a shove from behind probably isn't needed. Had the coach not pushed him from behind, when he was moving away, the kid wouldn't have slugged him and it would be a non issue. Did the coach "deserve it"...not at all...but his actions triggered the situation. You throw a can of gas on a fire you don't "deserve" to get burned, but it's dang sure likely to happen.
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