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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 15, 2008 17:21:24 GMT -6
What do you head coaches do about stubborn assistants who don't get it?
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Post by brophy on Nov 15, 2008 17:49:51 GMT -6
be patient and mentor (but don't let them continue to be stupid)
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 15, 2008 17:54:19 GMT -6
Appreciate it. Patient I have been. 44.1 points given up per game. He confuses himself as much as he confuses the kids. When a coach is still using cards in week 9 practices to teach the kids...and himself, something's wrong. Or am I just looking at it wrong?
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Post by fatkicker on Nov 15, 2008 18:13:41 GMT -6
stubborn about what?
they need to know their role.......but you don't want "yes" men either.....
if they've got new ideas, just tell 'em to be stubborn in the office and not around the kids.....
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 15, 2008 19:32:12 GMT -6
It was my fault for nipping it when I should have. Not responding well to recommendations, especially after giving up so many points. Not seeing on his own that his system wasn't working. Playing kids because he "liked them". Basically just not having a grasp of his defense or personnel.
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Post by coachtut on Nov 16, 2008 8:13:25 GMT -6
Refer him to this site. Then he'll get a clue  |
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Post by phantom on Nov 17, 2008 10:45:04 GMT -6
What do you head coaches do about stubborn assistants who don't get it? One of our assistants constantly reminds us of the two main rules of life: 1. The Boss is always right. 2. In case the Boss is wrong, see Rule 1. |
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 17, 2008 12:07:08 GMT -6
Well he made my decision easy this morning.
During off-season workouts I always let kids who left the team, or were removed, one shot to come back and work out. One screw up, and we remove you from the program completely.
Well one kid who never got a 2nd chance during the season was let in to off-season, by me. This coach didn't like it. Put on his jacket, walked over to the office, and resigned his coaching duties.
I could write a book about this.
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Post by Split50 on Nov 17, 2008 12:21:17 GMT -6
Well he made my decision easy this morning. During off-season workouts I always let kids who left the team, or were removed, one shot to come back and work out. One screw up, and we remove you from the program completely. Well one kid who never got a 2nd chance during the season was let in to off-season, by me. This coach didn't like it. Put on his jacket, walked over to the office, and resigned his coaching duties. I could write a book about this. Am I to assume that he is not an employee of the school district? "Therein lies the rub, me thinks" |
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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 17, 2008 12:32:24 GMT -6
But it's also his fault for being selfish. If my defense was giving up 44 ppg, you wouldn't have to fire me, I would resign rather than drag the team down, if I was even still alive...I was on suicide watch last year and defensively we were giving up 17 ppg, this year was better giving up 10.3 ppg, and while I wasn't on suicide watch, I still wasn't happy. Defense Rule #1: If they don't score, they can't win. I'm sorry but that is the kind of coach I want to be. I want that character, I want that persona, I want that charisma. |
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 17, 2008 12:32:22 GMT -6
Just like an offensive coach to complain...hell, if you were scoring 48 ppg it wouldn't be a problem now would it?  I am actually a defensive coach. I took over the offense this year, because I wanted to revamp it. We scored 64 points and almost lost...winnin 64-55. Lost 46-44 in another game. |
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 17, 2008 12:32:49 GMT -6
Well he made my decision easy this morning. During off-season workouts I always let kids who left the team, or were removed, one shot to come back and work out. One screw up, and we remove you from the program completely. Well one kid who never got a 2nd chance during the season was let in to off-season, by me. This coach didn't like it. Put on his jacket, walked over to the office, and resigned his coaching duties. I could write a book about this. Am I to assume that he is not an employee of the school district? Oh, he is. "Therein lies the rub, me thinks" |
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Post by Split50 on Nov 17, 2008 17:01:44 GMT -6
Am I to assume that he is not an employee of the school district? Oh, he is. "Therein lies the rub, me thinks" You mean, he can just walk in and quit coaching and still have his other school job. Unbeleeeivable!!! |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2008 17:27:14 GMT -6
You mean, he can just walk in and quit coaching and still have his other school job. Unbeleeeivable!!! Not to get too off tangent but why is this unbelievable? Season is over. Coaching comes secondary to most coaches. |
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Post by Split50 on Nov 17, 2008 18:24:40 GMT -6
You mean, he can just walk in and quit coaching and still have his other school job. Unbeleeeivable!!! Not to get too off tangent but why is this unbelievable? Season is over. Coaching comes secondary to most coaches. Coaching is secondary to most coaches! Not at any school I have ever coached at. Coaching/teaching is a full time job here. You don't just walk in and say "I quit coaching" and go on as though nothing has changed. Even though the season is over, I think he was in off-season when he just quit. How can you have any authority or control over your staff if they can just walk in and quit whever they want to? |
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 17, 2008 18:24:45 GMT -6
I haven't talked to the admin. about it, heck he didn't have the chutzpah to come talk to me about it. I am assuming the admin. is fine with it. I doubt he'll have his teaching job come contract time. He may bolt at Christmas break.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2008 18:52:01 GMT -6
Not to get too off tangent but why is this unbelievable? Season is over. Coaching comes secondary to most coaches. Coaching is secondary to most coaches! Not at any school I have ever coached at. Coaching/teaching is a full time job here. You don't just walk in and say "I quit coaching" and go on as though nothing has changed. Even though the season is over, I think he was in off-season when he just quit. How can you have any authority or control over your staff if they can just walk in and quit whever they want to? At every school I have been associated with at the H.S. level (in South Louisiana), coaching was always a secondary duty. TEACHING is the full time job, and a coach can usually resign his/her coaching position without losing the teaching position. Now, things usually didn't go down like the poster described. They were generally much more professional. However if a competent teacher/coach goes to the administration and says "Hey, I don't think I am going to coach next year" it isn't held against him/her. |
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Post by Split50 on Nov 17, 2008 19:02:53 GMT -6
coachd5085,
I understand what you are saying regarding teaching being more important than coaching. However, I don't really know very many "coaches" that feel that way.
In Texas, most coaches have "dual contracts" and cannot give up the one without giving up the other. Walking out on your coaching job would cost you your teaching job.
Certainly, if it can be worked out, a person might be able to get out of coaching and still stay
as a teacher. In fact, I did it once, but there was a straight teaching opening at the time that allowed me to do that. Administration was okay with the move. I did not just quit coaching and still keep my teaching position.
Have a great week.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2008 19:17:42 GMT -6
split
I agree, most coaches don't "feel" that way. However most administrators do. Therefore, like i said, it has never been a problem here. Strong union I guess.
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Post by Split50 on Nov 17, 2008 19:24:18 GMT -6
split I agree, most coaches don't "feel" that way. However most administrators do. Therefore, like i said, it has never been a problem here. Strong union I guess. I didn't realize Louisiana teachers were unionized. Too bad. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2008 20:01:57 GMT -6
I don't know if all teachers are... I know our district is..it is pretty big...52 schools in the district
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 17, 2008 21:05:27 GMT -6
I know that most coaches I have talked to have said they majoring in teaching for 1 reason and 1 reason only...and that was to coach. I guess in the south, football is viewed at another level vs other regions of the united states. I know a coach that coached at Lee High School in Montgomery, AL during the 90's when they were nationally ranked. They played a team in Kentucky that was "Nationally ranked". Played them in Montgomery, this team was like 56-4 in 4 years. Lee beat them like 60-3. Moral of the story, different places look at the importance of football just differently, bottom line.
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Post by k on Nov 17, 2008 22:56:46 GMT -6
Moral of the story, different places look at the importance of football just differently, bottom line. Same can be said about education too. =) |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 17, 2008 23:09:37 GMT -6
psbrowning,
your story also compares different state's football players.
I've often wondered why some states produce different kinds of athletes. Odd isn't it?
Now if it were a basketball game instead of a football game, it might have had a different outcome.
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 17, 2008 23:20:49 GMT -6
It is very odd, I am amazed at all of the athletes that come out of Florida. Its almost like they breed athletes for football down there.
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Post by mce86 on Nov 18, 2008 8:40:08 GMT -6
One big mistake I made is not meeting with coaches enough....
I would recomment meeting as a staff at various points, and especially meeting with the coordinators quite often.
There should be no disagreements except for during game planning, after that, the direction of the team should be known.
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