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Post by tango on Nov 13, 2008 11:37:40 GMT -6
What do you need from the school to develop a good football program? In the hall and attitudes.
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Post by mwpilots on Nov 13, 2008 16:02:43 GMT -6
You need support from your administrators. I know firsthand what happens when you don't have that. It is a monumental struggle.
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Post by cc on Nov 13, 2008 16:50:05 GMT -6
Wow this is a big question.
Trimbe's book on Coaching Football Succesfully goes into this quite well.
A few things off the top of my head.
A good feeder program. The kids coming up should be well coached and you should help those coaches develop and use parts of your system.
A good strength and conditioning program. BFS, not so much their program, but that goal for every player. Get Bigger Faster Stronger.
Support from the community. A good booster program. Football is expensive and you don't want to get burnt out doing too many fundraisers.
A cohesive coaching staff. You are on the same page, support each other, know what you want to do and HOW to teach it.
Team unity. You have a plan for making good players but also good people. They have to work together when the going gets tough the most.
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Post by juice10 on Nov 13, 2008 19:35:21 GMT -6
I think that there are many things that can contribute to a good program/tradition. Here are my thoughts.
1. Administrative support - Need to have an AD, Principals, Superintendant, and a school board that is willing to go to bat for you. You need them to be supportive of what you are trying to do and also find the means to getting you what you need.
2. Community support/parental support - in my opinion without this it will be an ongoing struggle. If your community is not behind you and your parents are not behind you, you will have a long struggle. Parents need to portray to their son that you are basically "GOD". If they are filling their son with BS about playcalling and playing time issues, they are putting up a huge brick wall between the coach and the son. Who will the son listen to, my guess will be most of the time the parent. Parents need to be able to trust the coaches that they are doing what is right and for the good of the team and overall program success. Anytime a parent questions a coaches decision, playcall, or anything for that matter, they are jeopardizing the overall goal of what the team is trying to accomplish.
3. Athletes - you need to have athletes that believe in themselves, their team, and you as a coaching staff. You need athletes that are dedicated and willing to sacrifice for the good of the team. Great athletes always help a program.
4. Coaches - You need coaches that are willing to change the attitude and put in the time to become better. You need a staff that is willing to work together and be cohesive.
5. Complete program - From elementary all the way to JV. You need coaches, parents, and volunteers to buy into the system and teach fundamentals. Hopefully those fundamentals turns into some wins along the way to keep those kids interested.
6. WINNING - Nothing helps a program out than winning.
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Post by schultbear74 on Nov 13, 2008 19:46:19 GMT -6
Yeah, administrative support is the number one factor. Without it none of the other things are probable.
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Post by morris on Nov 13, 2008 21:13:56 GMT -6
I strong offseason program. This might mean you get creative. One of the best programs here practices their offense with a tennis ball during the offseason. Rules say player can not touch a football so they do not. This also means speed and strengh training.
Good trainer: You need someone that understands the game and how to take care of your players. I think this is overlooked a good deal.
Create a culture where football players are not the bullies but examples of student athletes that all point to. It is amazing the support you get from all when this is true.
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Post by bigm0073 on Nov 13, 2008 22:18:34 GMT -6
You need to have a philosophy. What I mean is an overall philosophy and mission statement. You as the leader will push this philosophy first. Most successful programs have a common belief shared by coaches / staff / players. You MUST have loyal coaches who believe in your philosophy and support it.
Administrators - They HAVE to support you. You will make tough decisions (Discipline) you may have to have some down years to recharge the program. They have to support your philosophy (this is presented at the interview).
Booster Club - It makes a WORLD of difference. If you need weight room t-shirts, buses and fees for 7 on 7 and other camps... They should support you whenever possible. You NEVER want money to be the reason why you are not with the "jone's".
Player Evaluations - Identily playmakers and get them the ball on offense. Same on defense. Cater your team towards their strengths. This should be offensively and defensively.
Off-Season Commitment - This goes on ALL year. The great programs have very, very committed Coches and Players in the weight room and running. Players HAVE to get bigger, Stronger and Faster!! Committed players who put the time in the off-season will win you games in the fall. Players who do not, will KILL you in the fall. Put kids out there that LOVE football and will do what it takes.
Talent - Ultimately you need talent. Now the key word is PROGRAM!! You may have a run of talent for 2-3 years that is exceptional but that is not what a program makes. You may win some games with just raw talent but you MUST have the above in my opinion to sustain a strong program. Core values, beliefs and discipline will beat talent in the long run.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by touchdownmaker on Nov 14, 2008 8:25:26 GMT -6
What do you need from the school to develop a good football program? In the hall and attitudes. First and foremost you must get the kids to care about you because you care about them. They must know that you love them and respect them and when you "have them" only then can you be successful. They must want to and be willing to run through a brick wall for their coach. You can blame everyone else for whats is lacking or you can focus on the one thing you can control, the relationship you have with your players. That is where it starts in my opinion. |
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Post by tango on Nov 14, 2008 9:55:38 GMT -6
This is my forth program, and 14th year coaching, only one losing season but it seems that nobody cares about anything in the school. Grades, rules, football, basketball, baseball, drugs, just I do not care attitude that is bigger than just football and I'm really struggle with it. We have a group of boosters holding a meeting with the powers to be and have ask me to help I.D. the problem? I need answers. The community is great. We just need a change of attitude in the halls and on the field. Everyone worked hard this off-season but still not invested. Our three best kids in the off-season programs didn't play once practice started. (normally your hardest workers on a team)
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Post by touchdownmaker on Nov 14, 2008 10:21:10 GMT -6
Tango- sometimes things have to get much worse before they can get better. What kinds of things have already been doing to change the attitudes?
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Post by phantom on Nov 14, 2008 10:52:01 GMT -6
I agree that the single most important factor in building a successful program is a philosophy and a vision for the program by the HC.
Number 1A is administrative support. That incudes:
1. The ability to run your program as you believe that it needs to be run within reason.
2. Control over your coaching staff.
3. Willingness to allow for staff professional development both with financial support and
with professional leave.
4. A teaching load that is similar to the coaches at other conference schools.
The next most important thing is a coaching staff that is loyal and willing to work hard. Without loyalty assistants are poison who will drag your program down. Hard working coaches may not know much football to start with but will work at it and get better.
Next comes an offseason program. That requires both of the things I've mentioned-admin support and hard-working coaches.
The others that have been mentioned, a feeder program and booster club, depend on what the competetion has. We have neither but neither do our opponents.
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Post by tango on Nov 14, 2008 11:54:09 GMT -6
This is my third year at the school and we have won the district once. Our coaching staff has changed. We have good loyal young coaches, they were hired late in the summer which was a problem and do not get paid for summer work and we are under staffed. We do not have athletic periods anymore do to the F-cat. Our summer attendance was great. We give out all kinds of awards. People from other schools always talks about how hard our kids play but we know that is not true. We are making all kinds of mistakes and we put a backup in their place and they do the exact same thing and everyone on the staff is coaching the heck out of them. It is a school problem, not just football that has started the last two years. For example kids sleeping during F-cat retakes (must pass to graduate). It seems O.K. to lose and O.K. to just be on the team. They are good kids just not hungry and we are normally a winning program. We lift 4x a week in June and 3x a week in July with all our coaches their in July and practice for an hour each day during July. I'm the head coach and I want people that work. They will not disrespect me or their gone. Our two best players were removed for the team this season for not following our rules. It's not all about winning but I do expect them to work to get better. Our principal has worked very hard and the results just are not showing. Just the fill is that its not very important.
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Post by juice10 on Nov 14, 2008 11:59:11 GMT -6
Phantom,
I don't want to hijack the thread, but what do you and other coaches get for support(financial and leave)?
I get 2 professional days and 175$ for reimburstment. Anymore than those two days for football related, I need to take personal days which are fine too. Just curious what other districts offer, better or worse.
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