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Post by khalfie on Nov 10, 2008 23:08:27 GMT -6
40 seconds on the two...
You allow the clock to run down to 20 secs.
You call a running play with no time outs... You have to spike the ball with 4 secs left...
You call another run play?
Huh?
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 10, 2008 23:35:13 GMT -6
Not very good clock management in my opinion. I really think there might be some dissention on the staff the way it looked when Singletary was yelling at some of his assistants; Martz was one of them.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 10, 2008 23:51:07 GMT -6
That is yet another reason I didn't renew my season tickets after 37 years.
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ramsoc
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Post by ramsoc on Nov 11, 2008 0:26:01 GMT -6
Could be worse, could be Andy Reid trying to run a light weight running back into the heart of a defensive line that hadn't yielded a thing all game. That's my Philadelphia Eagles.
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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 11, 2008 1:36:36 GMT -6
I was so confused with the SF game. I understand... kinda... setting up the line and spiking it so they didn't get a penalty and runoff for the penalty. But they could have done it quicker than 20 seconds. I do not get the run play from the 2.5 yard line. Then again. They could have had 3 shots at the endzone from 2.5 yards out. Why not spread out the defense and worse comes to worse, QB draw. Singletary seemed stubborn... I doubt that was Martz's call.
It's ok ramsoc, I'm a Giants fan and I thought you guys were going to win the way we couldn't convert on any mistakes, and continuously made stupid moves that hurt us. Jacobs, you are 6'5'' 270 pounds... don't leave the ground when there is a 5'10'' 190 lb corner coming off a block.
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 11, 2008 2:37:47 GMT -6
They runner went down with 11 sec on the clock, replays gave them the ball @ 4 sec on the whistle. Now if he was down when they said it should have been a matter of starting the clock from there, they also didn't put time back on the clock from what was signaled a dead ball procedural violation within the last three minutes.
2-20-ARI 35 (3:15) PENALTY on SF-69-T.Wragge, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ARI 35 - No Play.
By that time so many bad calls went against AZ that they must have considered it to be a make up call, or feared inciting a riot. Two touchdowns nullified at home, ouch.
Where was Robinson on the wild hog? it was gaining so many yards, there would have been the perfect place to run it with him getting a pass option as part of it. I didn't disagree with running the ball, just where they tried to run with who tried to run, instead of their feature back. If you can wild hog it with a true extra pass catcher in, other teams will usually be minus one on one of the two running options or risk leaving a pass catcher open.
We had a team wedge run from the shotgun on us in the second half several times the other day to convert short yardage downs several times in one possession, it isn't fun.
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 11, 2008 2:40:48 GMT -6
Timeout #3 by ARI at 00:20.
2-1-ARI 1 (:20) 21-F.Gore left tackle to ARI 2 for -1 yards (56-C.Okeafor). San Francisco challenged the runner was down by contact ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #4.)
3-2-ARI 2 (:03) 24-M.Robinson up the middle to ARI 1 for 1 yard (53-C.Haggans).
END GAME
It took seventeen seconds to run for a one yard loss when he fell down and didn't even cut across the field? That's where they reset the clock? He was down earlier than where they whistled, and no time was put back on the clock?
They kept time worse than the Niners managed it.
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derek71
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Post by derek71 on Nov 11, 2008 3:07:42 GMT -6
I would have spread the offence out,bit like everything if it had worked he is a genius it goes wrong a idiot!!! there is a fine line,but hey he is only a rookie head coach....
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Post by touchdowng on Nov 11, 2008 16:40:56 GMT -6
Singletary is a defensive guy, not an offensive guru.
How many of us have made similar screw ups in our 2nd game as signal callers? I have and luckily I wasn't on a national stage like MNF. Unfortunately for him, he was. I'd still play for him but I'd hope he'd lean on his experts around him
It was pretty ugly and Mike's going to have to learn from this. Even my H.S. team knows how to spike the damn ball and we only practice it ONCE during the pre-season. It's not rocket science.
A run up the middle x 2? That's just not smart but as already mentioned that's also hindsight. If the RB scores - Mike's restoring some long-lost physicality in his Niners and he's a genius. That's how our game works..... What have you done for me lately?
Go Mike!
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Post by dacoordinator on Nov 11, 2008 17:10:14 GMT -6
Not very good clock management in my opinion. I really think there might be some dissention on the staff the way it looked when Singletary was yelling at some of his assistants; Martz was one of them. Poor Clock management and coaching. wow!! |
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Post by brophy on Nov 11, 2008 17:27:36 GMT -6
what about 4th and inches on the 6, and you fire a quick slant to Fitzgerald?
When it works, its great
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Post by eickst on Nov 11, 2008 18:43:42 GMT -6
What about changing personnel to spike the ball? That was boneheaded IMO. Have the people on the field freaking do it.
The clock was at 40 and was down to 20 by the time they spiked the ball. My guess is they didn't practice too many 2 minute drills that week. (or ever by the looks of it)
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Post by airman on Nov 11, 2008 18:53:25 GMT -6
IS Mike Martz still the oc at san fran. ? I just cannot see him and singletary getting along. Martz is the last true believer in the 7 step drop at the nfl level just as spurrier is the last 7 step guy at the college level and i might be the last 7 step guy at the high school level.
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Post by tog on Nov 11, 2008 19:09:52 GMT -6
IS Mike Martz still the oc at san fran. ? I just cannot see him and singletary getting along. Martz is the last true believer in the 7 step drop at the nfl level just as spurrier is the last 7 step guy at the college level and i might be the last 7 step guy at the high school level. it doesn't matter hc says this is what i want then oc better damn well do it i hope singletary gets to stay on fires martz and gets someone he fits better with and beats everyone |
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Post by airraider on Nov 11, 2008 19:19:52 GMT -6
I am a Niner fan from WAYYY back.. this site sickened me..
I can almost promise you they thought it was 4th down so they didnt spike the ball with 4 seconds left..
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Post by airman on Nov 11, 2008 19:23:51 GMT -6
IS Mike Martz still the oc at san fran. ? I just cannot see him and singletary getting along. Martz is the last true believer in the 7 step drop at the nfl level just as spurrier is the last 7 step guy at the college level and i might be the last 7 step guy at the high school level. it doesn't matter hc says this is what i want then oc better {censored} well do it i hope singletary gets to stay on fires martz and gets someone he fits better with and beats everyone when you hire mike martz you let him do his thing. he will not work for someone who does not allow this. This is why people think he is a prick. I can see why he wants this. Just like tony franklin. you hire guys like that knowing they have to do their thing. if your ego cannot handle this then do not hire these guys as your oc. I would never work for a head coach who would not totally let me run my offense. not worth my time to argue. |
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Post by joelee on Nov 11, 2008 19:58:48 GMT -6
Martz mismanaged the last minute of the game.
Singletary mismanaged the press conference: you cannot throw Martz under the bus. Say "we" or "I", made a mistake.
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Post by tog on Nov 11, 2008 20:45:49 GMT -6
it doesn't matter hc says this is what i want then oc better {censored} well do it i hope singletary gets to stay on fires martz and gets someone he fits better with and beats everyone when you hire mike martz you let him do his thing. he will not work for someone who does not allow this. This is why people think he is a prick. I can see why he wants this. Just like tony franklin. you hire guys like that knowing they have to do their thing. if your ego cannot handle this then do not hire these guys as your oc. I would never work for a head coach who would not totally let me run my offense. not worth my time to argue. singletary didn't hire martz nuff said |
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 11, 2008 22:04:50 GMT -6
what did he say at the press conference? I thought I heard him say something about Martz but I don't remember what.
And I don't care what anyone says, but why would this automatically be the OC's fault for the clock management? To me, those kinds of decisions are HC decisions, and those kinds of situations must get practiced. Maybe the responsibility had explicitly been delegated to Martz and it was thus his fault, but the buck stops with Singletary on this one.
If he threw Martz under the bus for that, then that is weak. Otherwise, to me, the storyline seemed expected: Singletary has done a great job getting his guys motivated, but those are the kinds of late game moments you have to be ready for and you expect a new HC (especially one hired mid-season) not be ready for it.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you can really blame Martz for the late game clock mismanagement (though I suppose you can blame him for the lame run up the middle, but something tells me that was Singletary's call too).
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 12, 2008 6:13:09 GMT -6
what did he say at the press conference? I thought I heard him say something about Martz but I don't remember what. He more or less placed blame on Martz for the play call instead of taking it himself as the HC. “Coach Martz felt there would be a cavity inside so we made that call,” said Singletary. |
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Post by coachtut on Nov 12, 2008 10:31:56 GMT -6
Huge Arizona fan here. I think in any game in that situation you spike the ball and then run the last play. As far as that game goes I would run a play anywhere but up the middle. The niners could not block our interior guys.
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