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Post by coachemup17 on Nov 10, 2008 20:50:39 GMT -6
Trying to find a smaller sized football that holds up. I have a Quarterback that has small hands, and has trouble gripping the football's we have used in the past and it causes him to push the ball out. We switched footballs to the Rawlings ST-5 ball that looks alot like the GST's, but just like the last ball we used; this ball varies in size. None of the balls are the same size or feel. Just looking for some help on what some of you guys use and whether you like it or not.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 11, 2008 1:44:46 GMT -6
Coach, this may be way too simple.
Our QB has small hands, we use GST's and keep the air pressure low in them.
If you air up a GST to full pressure, I think it's 12 lb's? It get TOO fat and way too slick.
So, we never put more than 7.6-8 lb's in them, and we are fine.
Refs can't tell at all, and I think it's my business how much air I want in my football anyway.
The Receivers like it too.
Here in Florida most everyone has gone to the J5V advanced, it seems to be a little smaller from what I've been told.
Who knows.
OJW
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 11, 2008 1:59:10 GMT -6
Nike spiral tech 1000, says to inflate to 11lbs. The league has one more a HS football size, players prefer the one I bring to games so we let every team use it. Fits hands better, smaller players can control the ball easier and perform skill tasks with it. That is one of their selling points to the web link for it was well, interestingly enough. store.nike.com/index.jsp?country=US&lang_locale=en_US&l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-1/pid-152425#l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-1/pid-152425 Synthetic blend, cover can peel some after tons of reps. The item becomes a relic, like the holy grail, it is awarded to the most improved player each year. That way the object of that much energy and effort for the entire team is awarded the player who best personifies being coach-able, being a team player, and being a good sportsman. |
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 11, 2008 2:03:57 GMT -6
My first two seasons helping I took a variety of sized footballs to practice so passers could develop a wide range of muscles in their mechanics, and then when true practice began they went back to reps with the one we used for games.
Then as footballs vanished(I went through eight my first year as HC) or were awarded out I replaced them all with the same style from the local sports equipment store.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Nov 11, 2008 9:36:59 GMT -6
Every ball has its disadvantages and advantages. THe GST is probably the best one because QBs and WRs love its tackiness but you have ot wear them in a little or else they get slicker. Ive used the GST for the past 4 years,, one year I used the Wilson NCAA 1001 ball and it bled off red all the time so we did not want to use that.
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Post by thakatalyst on Nov 11, 2008 14:58:40 GMT -6
I agree with a couple of the coaches above. GSTs are my favorite. There was a shortage of Adidas Legend series balls this summer, so we went with GSTs and I'm glad we did.
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Post by juice10 on Nov 11, 2008 15:23:28 GMT -6
That's all fine and dandy, but when a ref pulls out a ball pressure checker gadget and tells you to put more air in it then what. Happened to me this year twice, same ref crew. Came to check the balls and I like to leave them a little short of air for the same reasons, told me I needed to put air in them. So I did and he then rechecked them to see if they met standards.
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Post by htownoc on Nov 12, 2008 12:40:20 GMT -6
We have our QB's pick which ball they prefer in the offseason. Most preferred the GST but our younger kids handle the Wilson 1205 better with their smaller hands.
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Post by coachnorm on Nov 12, 2008 13:10:23 GMT -6
We had a QB with small hands a couple of years ago. We used those 5 panel balls I don't recall the name or brand although it seemed like they were a Rawlings product. I'll have to check, but the 5 panel definitely has a smaller circumference or at least tapers better to the end.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 12, 2008 13:41:09 GMT -6
That's all fine and dandy, but when a ref pulls out a ball pressure checker gadget and tells you to put more air in it then what. Happened to me this year twice, same ref crew. Came to check the balls and I like to leave them a little short of air for the same reasons, told me I needed to put air in them. So I did and he then rechecked them to see if they met standards. we have never had a game where the ref's haven't checked our footballs with a gauge. They stand there and make us put more air in them or take it out to make it conform with the rules. Consider yourself lucky if your ref's don't check but ours do every game. |
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Post by scoresomemore on Nov 12, 2008 15:20:34 GMT -6
i dont know if it was an emphasis or what, but my gosh we had every crew complain about how soft our football was. To be honest, ive never had them look over them so dilligently.
I don't think we were anywhere near 6-7 pounds like OJW said, but we might have been at 10 ish? Its like they wanted them to be like rocks.
any insight here from timtheenchanter or other registered officials?
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 12, 2008 18:25:34 GMT -6
We use Wilson TDS balls. When I took the job last year the previous coach had ordered several GST's and I, as well as the QB's, found them too slick. So I traded them out for GST's and the kids love them.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 12, 2008 18:35:36 GMT -6
We use the Wilson GST.
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 12, 2008 21:22:17 GMT -6
I like the GST's as long as they are not rock hard FULLY inflated
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 12, 2008 21:26:58 GMT -6
Let me just say that I hate refs, always have.  That being said, I've never seen or ever had a ref pull out one of those things and check our balls. (kinda' racy?) I've had one say that one of them felt a little soft, but no one has ever done anything about it. |
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