sbv
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Nov 10, 2008 12:18:47 GMT -6
Post by sbv on Nov 10, 2008 12:18:47 GMT -6
I was wondering what some of you use as goals for your football team as far as goals for the season and a week to week basis?
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mce86
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Nov 10, 2008 19:04:51 GMT -6
Post by mce86 on Nov 10, 2008 19:04:51 GMT -6
To compete is always stressed. Compete with yourself, teammates, and opponents.
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Nov 10, 2008 19:50:17 GMT -6
Post by towtheline on Nov 10, 2008 19:50:17 GMT -6
1. win district 2. win state 3. go 14-0
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sbv
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Nov 11, 2008 7:55:13 GMT -6
Post by sbv on Nov 11, 2008 7:55:13 GMT -6
I'm trying to come up with goals that I can post for my team and I need some help. I'd like to put, win conference, win district, win state, but we were 1-9 this year in my first year here and the team was 0-10 the year before so I don't know if my goals are appropriate. They are my actual goals but for some of those people who have been in a situation like mine, is it better to set more reachable goals, if so such as what?
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Nov 11, 2008 8:06:53 GMT -6
Post by rideanddecide on Nov 11, 2008 8:06:53 GMT -6
Here are a few for our program because they fit our philosophy of what it takes to win ball games: 4 + yards on first down 60% of all attempts Convert 50% of 3rd downs Win turnover/takeaway battle Score 100% of time in Redzone TD 100% of time inside the 10
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Nov 11, 2008 9:30:39 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 11, 2008 9:30:39 GMT -6
When I was coaching years ago the HC had a progressive goal board I thought was pretty good Win 1st game - gets us started Win XX games- gives us a non-losing record win XX+1 games Guaranteed winning season Win XX++ games sets school record Make play offs That was it. we kept indy stats but did not post them or really talk about them except for maybe third down situations
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Nov 11, 2008 10:06:13 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 11, 2008 10:06:13 GMT -6
I think another way this thread could go is, does a football team actually need goals. The obvious goal is to score one more point than your opponent. I never want to give up a yard of offense... so what is acceptable? Third down what is acceptable? Third and two on your -20 and you are up by 20 and the team runs for three so what... if your down by one and they are on the +2 now its a big deal. I remember a bunch of years ago our rb had something like 297 yards, he ripped off three very long runs of over +50...the opposing hc said we really held the rb except for those three runs HUH?? When I think of statistics it's usually a selfish thing. how many points have we given up, where are we in relation to other teams. How many picks do we have.... is my db who has 5 defensive td's going to make all league? If he doesn't, I'm mad.... How many teams have you seen trying to pad stats? do these count? how many yards rushing... passing... did we give up... our third down ratio... I don't know the answer to any of these questions. The one stat I do know is....we scored one more point than the other team 9 times this year, that's all I care about. if we made mistakes, we will work our butt off in practice to correct it didn't mean to rant. I just have strong feelings for so -called meticulously kept statistics. before i leave could someone please explain the term pancake, as my offensive lineman have rarely actually put anybody completely on their back this year and we have the #1 scoring offense in our league this year (ps stats kept by local news rag)
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sbv
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Nov 11, 2008 11:05:44 GMT -6
Post by sbv on Nov 11, 2008 11:05:44 GMT -6
Coach Gordon, While I agree that the final score is the easiest thing to measure, but in my mind there have got to be goals that will help you win. I've been coaching teams where I was mad after a win if we didn't deserve to win, we were just that much more talented than the other team.
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Nov 11, 2008 14:38:13 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 11, 2008 14:38:13 GMT -6
I know, Being a Type A personality I really want to measure stats. ( I am a borderline math teacher so I teach accounting lol). I just have a tough time quantifiying what is important and when you measure it. For instance, turnovers... they say you need to have a positive turnover margin to win the game.. i agree.. but do you count the two fumbles your 2's made when they were in the game. two weeks ago, we ended a game w/ a pick by our db, i was happy, i coach that kid but we were up by 20 points.. no effect whatsoever on the outcome.
another stat that kills me are sack totals. a rb tfl is called a tackle for loss... a qb tfl is called a sack even if he was running triple.
Of course I am a DC, we scored 7 times on defense this year. I told my HC that we sould deduct 42 points from the defensive scoring totals instead of adding them to offensive totals... he thought i was kidding... you know how you say stuff laughingly but really mean it???
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Nov 12, 2008 4:00:38 GMT -6
Post by coachrudy on Nov 12, 2008 4:00:38 GMT -6
We coach our kids to beat the best teams. We don't teach techniques that work only on the lowest level of competition. We teach techniques that, if done properly, will work against the best of competition. So when it comes to setting goals, we will do the same. We will set goals that, if met, should give us the best possible chance for a win against ANY team. Whether we are playing the best team in the state or the worst, we are going to strive to achieve these goals knowing that they will put us in a position to win.
Does that mean we HAVE TO meet all our goals to win? No. But by being focused on meeting those standards we give ourselves, week-in and week-out, the best chance to be successful.
Whether we have our starters in or backups, everyone is held to the same expectations. Everyone is competing for the ultimate goal, TO WIN. All of the other goals are steps that put ourselves in the best situation to WIN, every week against the best or worst teams we face.
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Nov 12, 2008 5:42:33 GMT -6
Post by goldenbear76 on Nov 12, 2008 5:42:33 GMT -6
Play Hard Have Fun Trust your teammates. Execute
Friggen sounds like a Nike commercial lol.
I will always be a big advocate of "if your not having fun, then why do you do it?" Now, having fun doesn't mean you can't push your team to work hard either. Try to find a nice mix of fun and work, ... that when you are done on Friday night..you can look back and feel you accomplished something.
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Nov 12, 2008 7:07:18 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Nov 12, 2008 7:07:18 GMT -6
As often mentioned on this board (there have been numerous "Goal" Threads), I think it is important to break all goals down into PROCESS goals rather than PRODUCT goals for your kids. PROCESS goals are the things that are completely under your teams control. Alignment, Pad Level, Hustle/pursuit, Attempted Strips, Proper checks/Audibles, ball security technique....all of these things go into winning a game, and all are solely dependent on your players.
Goals such as "X yards rushing/passing" are ineffective in my opinion because they are dependent on multiple variables such as playcalling and the opponents schemes/abilities. Also, it is a results based goal, not process based, because the coaching decisions aren't necessarily working towards achieving this goal (example...up or behind late in the game significantly changes playcalling which obviously could affect this goal)
Although Jgordon's "x" win's goals is interesting, my "issue" (can't think of a better word) is simply that goals will be deemed "unachievable" as the year progresses. How does such a goal chart work if you lose the first game, struggle early on, and go into week # 7 with a 2 win/5loss record?
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Nov 12, 2008 7:14:24 GMT -6
Post by lochness on Nov 12, 2008 7:14:24 GMT -6
I've never been a big fan of "setting goals" in football (with respect to "hold them to under 100 yards rushing" or "get 3 picks" or whatever). I come from the business world, where measures and goals are everything...but I've never in my career been made a believer that goal setting affects the way a team performs.
Our goals are to play our balls off and win any way we can.
Now, having goals in the weightroom...that's a different story!
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Nov 12, 2008 8:09:11 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 12, 2008 8:09:11 GMT -6
Although Jgordon's "x" win's goals is interesting, my "issue" (can't think of a better word) is simply that goals will be deemed "unachievable" as the year progresses. How does such a goal chart work if you lose the first game, struggle early on, and go into week # 7 with a 2 win/5loss record?
I stuggle with this too. No easy answers... What do your kids do if there are no more goals to reach...Lots based on philosophy and culture of your program.
Rudy: would be interested in your team goals
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Nov 12, 2008 10:29:07 GMT -6
Post by coachtut on Nov 12, 2008 10:29:07 GMT -6
IMO it is more important to list specific goals that relate to winning football games. A great one is at least 4 yards on first down. No blown assignments.
For me "win" is not specific enough.
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Nov 12, 2008 10:41:27 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Nov 12, 2008 10:41:27 GMT -6
I'm trying to come up with goals that I can post for my team and I need some help. I'd like to put, win conference, win district, win state, but we were 1-9 this year in my first year here and the team was 0-10 the year before so I don't know if my goals are appropriate. They are my actual goals but for some of those people who have been in a situation like mine, is it better to set more reachable goals, if so such as what? Why not start with "Beat (whoever your first opponent is)?
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Nov 12, 2008 10:59:05 GMT -6
Post by tothehouse on Nov 12, 2008 10:59:05 GMT -6
Our overiding goal? Get better each week. It doesn't have to do a whole lot with the opponent. If we get better, then goals (we have a few) get met.
Case in point. This week. It's week 10 in Cali. The playoffs in our league are like this. They take two teams from our league. It's a 6 team league. Our 1st 5 games don't mean anything playoff wise. We're currently 8-1 overall and 3-1 in league. We are playing a team that is 2-7 overall and 2-2 in league. Well, if they beat us...........they go to the playoffs and we go home. They'll be 3-7 overall, but will have the tiebreaker (head to head in this case) against us.
So, the goal is obviously to win right? But we, as coaches, aren't attacking this like, "we better win" and stress things out. "Get better each week". We are going back to basics. This time of the year we start over. We form tackle and do other concepts that we worked on in the summer. Work on defeating the man across from us.
What we find from this mentality is the we NEVER "play down" to our opponent....because the focus isn't on the opponent...it's on us. THAT IS THE GOAL.
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Nov 14, 2008 9:27:43 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 14, 2008 9:27:43 GMT -6
I'm trying to come up with goals that I can post for my team and I need some help. I'd like to put, win conference, win district, win state, but we were 1-9 this year in my first year here and the team was 0-10 the year before so I don't know if my goals are appropriate. They are my actual goals but for some of those people who have been in a situation like mine, is it better to set more reachable goals, if so such as what? Why not start with "Beat (whoever your first opponent is)? I still think it is related to team culture and focusing on one opponent at a time which is what I think phantom is suggesting. Phantom, I got to ask... you guys are great year in and year out.. what would happen if you guys were 3-6 going into your last game?? Again I think it is a culture thing. some of my most memorable seasons have been a 3-7 campaign because the kids just played so hard On another note: I like the suggestion of getting better each week? how do you measure it? Less blown assignments, better grades on blocking, less missed tackles? shoot, I would like to have 100% attendance at our meetings. going into our first playoff game ever at this school, we've had 2 kids kicked off the team for doing pot... two kids miss fri am meeting and one kid late to friday am meeting
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Nov 14, 2008 9:56:30 GMT -6
Post by coachwoodall on Nov 14, 2008 9:56:30 GMT -6
coachd, I agree we should concentrate on what we can control. As coaches we are should be process oriented. However, don't under estimate how 'goal' oriented kids are today. Our goal board doesn't change week to week. We don't make a big deal out of achieving the goals or not achieving them. Our goals are more aligned with what we believe makes us successful.
One of our defensive goals is turnovers. We don't say we need 3 turnovers to win. We put down the number of turnovers we get in the game. Our board is in the weight room and for each game we list who go what kind of turnover. Now as a staff we can say, "Hey, we have only gotten 2 turnovers in the last 3 games" So, we may refocus our kids during the week on causing TOs, gang tackling, stripping the ball, etc..... For example this past Friday, the other team laid the ball on the ground 4 times and we didn't recover any of them. So this week we have been preaching about getting more bodies around the ball to take advantage of that opportunity.
I think the tangible part of goals the kids can see, but as coaches we should focus on the process of helping them achieve the goals.
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Nov 14, 2008 10:43:13 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 14, 2008 10:43:13 GMT -6
coachd, I agree we should concentrate on what we can control. As coaches we are should be process oriented. However, don't under estimate how 'goal' oriented kids are today. Our goal board doesn't change week to week. We don't make a big deal out of achieving the goals or not achieving them. Our goals are more aligned with what we believe makes us successful. One of our defensive goals is turnovers. We don't say we need 3 turnovers to win. We put down the number of turnovers we get in the game. Our board is in the weight room and for each game we list who go what kind of turnover. Now as a staff we can say, "Hey, we have only gotten 2 turnovers in the last 3 games" So, we may refocus our kids during the week on causing TOs, gang tackling, stripping the ball, etc..... For example this past Friday, the other team laid the ball on the ground 4 times and we didn't recover any of them. So this week we have been preaching about getting more bodies around the ball to take advantage of that opportunity. I think the tangible part of goals the kids can see, but as coaches we should focus on the process of helping them achieve the goals. I like that, it could also be expanded to third down, big plays etc
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Nov 14, 2008 11:06:47 GMT -6
Post by Coach JR on Nov 14, 2008 11:06:47 GMT -6
Many types of goals: Team, individual, long term, short term. The only "rules" I would make about goals is that they either be completely within your control to meet, OR like phantom suggested "Beat the next team on the schedule" which is a goal that resets itself every week, and is still achievable. Individual goals shouldn't be like X number of TD passes, but something team related like "always play 100% on every play" or to master some skill. I think if you set goals like X number of wins, and you get to a point in the season that goal becomes unachievable and you still have games left to play, you stand a chance some kids will slack up on effort. Beyond that the goals you set should be your own, and tailored to what your players can achieve. I think this is true in any setting, sports or real world.
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