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Post by airman on Nov 9, 2008 15:45:29 GMT -6
Texas Tech mowed down Oklahoma state last night. Gram harrell was 40 of 50 for 456 yds and 6 touch downs. 629 total offense for tech. The Potts kid who is the back up is said to be better then harrell. he was 5-5 in mop up duty with 1 td pass.
Leach put crabtree in the backfield and throw to him as well.
In two weeks they play Oklahoma for what will be the big 12 south champion.
I personaly hope for a TT victory and a match up in the B 12 championship game wiith missouri. now if this happens people might want to grill out or some thing durng the game becasue with the number of passes thrown this will be a long game.
I also personally hope TT is in the BCS championship game. Now this will quite some doubters if this happens.
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Post by highball007 on Nov 9, 2008 15:56:40 GMT -6
I know it is not likely but I would love to see TT and USC play for the BCS Title. USC's Defense has only allowed 23 points in their last 24 quarters of play! Don't quaote me but I believe they have the best pass defense in the nation right now. TT is on the other end of the spectrum with their points per game and I think they are in the top 3 for passing yards per game.
It would be a fun game to watch none the less!!!
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Post by slvcoach on Nov 9, 2008 16:12:30 GMT -6
I think the dream game for the BCS Championship would be Texas Tech vs. Florida. Could be the longest game in football history as well as the highest scoring game with all the passing and rushing. And who knows, maybe the two most recent Heisman winners or candidates playing in the same game in a long time.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2008 18:08:44 GMT -6
I think the dream game for the BCS Championship would be Texas Tech vs. Florida. Could be the longest game in football history as well as the highest scoring game with all the passing and rushing. And who knows, maybe the two most recent Heisman winners or candidates playing in the same game in a long time. Umm..Reggie Bush/Matt Leinhart vs Vince Young?
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Post by davecisar on Nov 9, 2008 18:38:36 GMT -6
I think the dream game for the BCS Championship would be Texas Tech vs. Florida. Could be the longest game in football history as well as the highest scoring game with all the passing and rushing. And who knows, maybe the two most recent Heisman winners or candidates playing in the same game in a long time. [/quote If that game happens expect Florida to employ the 'Nebraska" template and beat Tech. At Lubbock. NU had Tech down and it took a 4th and 6 busted play from Techs own 35 in the 4th to pull out a tie, then OT win. NU ran the ball, controlled the clock with short passes and stayed in control of the game, even though starting 3 walk ons on defense and 5 walkons on the 2 deep and had a ton of penalties etc etc. Florida has way more weapons than NU and of course Urban Meyer. Love to watch Tech, love Leach, but they wouldnt beat Florida.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 9, 2008 18:51:29 GMT -6
I agree with Davi...
TT won't get passed Oklahoma...
Talking about a defense that will touch those WR's and not just let them run down field and do what they want...
Better start thinking of two other teams you'd like to see face each other...
Maybe...
Florida v USC Bama v Oklahoma Utah v Boise St ?
I don't know... but TT won't be there.
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Post by dubber on Nov 9, 2008 19:40:38 GMT -6
Talking about a defense that will touch those WR's and not just let them run down field and do what they want... You have obviously not watched any TT games this season.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 9, 2008 19:51:37 GMT -6
Talking about a defense that will touch those WR's and not just let them run down field and do what they want... You have obviously not watched any TT games this season. Au contraire Mon Fraire... I've seen quite a few TT games... and those WR's get off the LOS scott free. No one's touching them. In all truthfulness... the only thing different about this years team vs that of previous years teams, is the improvement of the oline and the run game. The reason Ok has given TT so much trouble in the past... is because they have devastated TT's WR's while also putting insane pressure on the QB. But Brophy said it best... when TT can execute, there's nothing you can do, and so far, no one has stopped them from executing, except for Texas, which shut them down cold Turkey in the 2nd half, except for the lucky hell mary at the end... Or did you not watch that game?
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Post by dubber on Nov 9, 2008 20:01:55 GMT -6
You have obviously not watched any TT games this season. Au contraire Mon Fraire... I've seen quite a few TT games... and those WR's get off the LOS scott free. No one's touching them. In all truthfulness... the only thing different about this years team vs that of previous years teams, is the improvement of the oline and the run game. The reason Ok has given TT so much trouble in the past... is because they have devastated TT's WR's while also putting insane pressure on the QB. But Brophy said it best... when TT can execute, there's nothing you can do, and so far, no one has stopped them from executing, except for Texas, which shut them down cold Turkey in the 2nd half, except for the lucky hell mary at the end... Or did you not watch that game? You upset me........Why do teams not press TT? You think they work on that? This probably hasn't occured to any of the coaches who have previously played TT. I'm pretty sure that strategy hasn't alluded them. I'm sure you have watched plenty of TT games, but I'm pretty confident you have no idea WHAT you are watching. However, I can do nothing to wash away your ignorance or especially your arrogance, so I'm done, post what you want. BTW, knock yourself out on this:
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 9, 2008 20:22:27 GMT -6
OU game will be interesting. Texas did press Tech some; Okie State obviously did not feel that they were confident doing so. That's how Tech had 600+ yards of offense and no plays over 28 yards.
I've watched OU decimate Leach's offense before. That staff knows leach, knows his schemes, and knows his protections. Big diff's this year are, as mentioned before, the OLine, having multiple backs who are threats, but I also think that Tech has four receivers who are all legitimate threats to beat you man to man.
Tech always has guys who can run routes, catch the ball, and get open vs. zone. But I wouldn't be so confident that the answer is to go Cover 0, 1, and 2 man and just go lights out on them. But I think Okie State showed that the alternative is not so appealing.
The other thing is you have to be able to get some inside pressure. Neither Texas or Okie State (or Kansas) could get any pressure without outside blitzes, and those outside blitzes almost always got burned vs. an experienced QB.
But all this is kind of a truism right? If a team has better personnel, then they should be able to match up and blitz and beat them, right? Maybe that will be the case, maybe it won't. Leach's offense is great, but it's certainly not magic. It will be interesting. Tech certainly was able to do the job last year in Lubbock.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 9, 2008 20:38:48 GMT -6
Au contraire Mon Fraire... I've seen quite a few TT games... and those WR's get off the LOS scott free. No one's touching them. In all truthfulness... the only thing different about this years team vs that of previous years teams, is the improvement of the oline and the run game. The reason Ok has given TT so much trouble in the past... is because they have devastated TT's WR's while also putting insane pressure on the QB. But Brophy said it best... when TT can execute, there's nothing you can do, and so far, no one has stopped them from executing, except for Texas, which shut them down cold Turkey in the 2nd half, except for the lucky hell mary at the end... Or did you not watch that game? You upset me........Why do teams not press TT? You think they work on that? This probably hasn't occured to any of the coaches who have previously played TT. I'm pretty sure that strategy hasn't alluded them. I'm sure you have watched plenty of TT games, but I'm pretty confident you have no idea WHAT you are watching. However, I can do nothing to wash away your ignorance or especially your arrogance, so I'm done, post what you want. BTW, knock yourself out on this: Hill Larry... Well you tickle me... and I appreciate your humor, even though its as mean spirited as it gets. Why do teams not press TT?I see where our disconnect lies... you are an extremist... someone says press, and you assume I mean all WR's... Cover 0... which is effective at times, but is tough to be consistent at at any level... When I say press, Mr. Can't Take a Differing Opinion, I mean 1 of the WR's on the 2 WR side with a Safety over the top... Ruin 1 route and the other route becomes much more managable... Zone man, I don't care, just don't let him off the LOS cleanly. Why more teams aren't trying this? Who knows... but Ok St didn't... in the past Oklahoma has... and they've had great success against TT that puts up 9 win seasons ad nauseum. Nonetheless... you be offended by my arrogance, even my ignorance, but speak kindly of me when Okie smacks TT's WR's in the mouth, and walk a way with a victory over your mighty TT.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 21:01:03 GMT -6
You can tell the football season is over...Khal has his big $hit-stirring stick out...
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 9, 2008 21:11:37 GMT -6
Go ahead and press Michael Crabtree. Last night he was hugely physical with the Oklahoma State DBs...I think it will backfire on anyone who does it.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 9, 2008 21:11:47 GMT -6
You can tell the football season is over...Khal has his big $hit-stirring stick out... Huh? What!? Who me? Bored... missing it already... Got with a poster from another board, we exchanged film, broke each other down as if we were going to play each other... just to see what our opponents were seeing... He told me... my opponents were seeing a "victory", when they looked at my tapes!
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 21:41:30 GMT -6
You can tell the football season is over...Khal has his big $hit-stirring stick out... Huh? What!? Who me? Bored... missing it already... Got with a poster from another board, we exchanged film, broke each other down as if we were going to play each other... just to see what our opponents were seeing... He told me... my opponents were seeing a "victory", when they looked at my tapes! Ouch! Rough crowd!
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 22:32:56 GMT -6
Ouch is right.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 10, 2008 8:27:41 GMT -6
airman will appreciate this. This is how Yahoo's football blogger described Tech, in what i thought was colorful language (not saying I totally agree with the analysis, but good writing):
"I suppose some skeptics will still use the logo on the side of the helmet as an excuse for cynicism about the "the system" or the defense or Big 12 defenses in general, for the sake of hating. But there's only one possible way to even begin to slow this offense down, and that's to get in the receivers' faces, play man-to-man and pray your men are good enough. Texas' men weren't good enough; Oklahoma State's weren't even close. Maybe Oklahoma has a fighting chance in two weeks, with the way the Sooners' offense is humming on the other side. But I'm beginning to prefer Leach, Harrell and Crabtree to divine intervention."
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2008 13:54:24 GMT -6
I mean 1 of the WR's on the 2 WR side with a Safety over the top... Ruin 1 route and the other route becomes much more managable... Zone man, I don't care, just don't let him off the LOS cleanly. Why more teams aren't trying this? Who knows... but Ok St didn't... in the past Oklahoma has... and they've had great success against TT that puts up 9 win seasons ad nauseum. for all intents and purposes, I am pretty sure I have seen various teams doing this. And it isn't a bad route to go. The issue becomes, how much benefit do you get out of it? If you're disrupting one of the two receivers involved in SAIL or Verticals, I could see the point, however, when you have receivers coming free at various levels across the field, both horizontally and vertically, and a QB that can easily go through the progressions (see R4), you may have only eliminated 1 of 4 possible options. Now, what? Teams who HAVE stymied TT (and other ARs) is when they have a competent backer/safety sitting on the F flare / release. This can't be accomplished on all plays, but the point remains, stopping one thing, only opens up another dynamic of the offense. What you do to stop Shallow, only opens up Ringo, and as they say, "EVERYTHING works against Cover 3". You have a competent QB and a monster receiver, and a backup cast of consistent performers. You could say, "we'll take away Crabtree". Well, y'know, that is not a bad idea, but there are 5 other guys besides #5 who will be stretching the remaing defense horiz/vert and execute with little to no problems. That DEPTH is what has made them so dangerous. I don't know there is a true formula for stopping them and they present a rather simple, straight-forward attack (inverse of a wishbone offense...very basic run concepts....only in the passing game). I'd honestly rather see a Saban 'Bama vs a Leach Tech in the NC, but that's me.
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Post by airman on Nov 10, 2008 16:46:14 GMT -6
airman will appreciate this. This is how Yahoo's football blogger described Tech, in what i thought was colorful language (not saying I totally agree with the analysis, but good writing): "I suppose some skeptics will still use the logo on the side of the helmet as an excuse for cynicism about the "the system" or the defense or Big 12 defenses in general, for the sake of hating. But there's only one possible way to even begin to slow this offense down, and that's to get in the receivers' faces, play man-to-man and pray your men are good enough. Texas' men weren't good enough; Oklahoma State's weren't even close. Maybe Oklahoma has a fighting chance in two weeks, with the way the Sooners' offense is humming on the other side. But I'm beginning to prefer Leach, Harrell and Crabtree to divine intervention." that is a good one. Personally I prefer a dc who has brass balls and plays man to man coverage. A DC who plays man to man vs the spread has courage becasue he knows there is a 50/50 chance on every play that we might score or get a big play. The wr might beat the jam so baldly the db is so far behind. The db might fall down. The db might get a holding and pass int penalty. we also recognize the db might beat down our wr and get an interception. however I like 50/50 odd. bring the house while you are at it. you might win or we might win. in my way of thinking a deep pass for a touch down is a great demoralizer.. Far greater then a long run for a touch down. A deep pass for a touch down requires us to beat one player. a long run for a touch down requires you to beat all 11 defensive players.
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Post by eickst on Nov 10, 2008 16:56:51 GMT -6
I played several spread teams this year and never played a down of zone coverage. Gave up one TD, had one pick six, and had more sacks and INTs than the other teams had completions. Not a knock on the spread because I am sure that the youth coaches I face are no where near a Mike Leach.
But as a DC I will bring it every down.
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