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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 13:42:26 GMT -6
I just wanted to thank everyone here for their advice throughout the season, undoubtedly the worst I've ever been through. I thank Coach Huey for allowing such a stupid post to be allowed , but I needed to vent.
Mercifully our season ended today. We lost 25-6, capping off an 0-8-1, season, we only scored 12 points this season (not counting pre-season) . 2 starters didn't even bother to show
Each team was given a survey last week, so we could express our thoughts, on the season, we were told to be brutally honest...so I did, the gloves came off, left nothing out, told it like it was. I guess it struck a nerve, because everybody was hush hush around us , except the parents and a few other coaches.
again,I thank everyone, I don't know if I'm returning next season, either to that organization, or to coaching at all, but i'll certainly be around here
thanks again CoachKell
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Post by saintrad on Nov 9, 2008 13:49:56 GMT -6
coachkell- if you are willing to come to nowhere Arizona I have 2 coaching slots to fill (WR coach and DC). I understand your frustrations since we just got killed by the #1 team in the state of Arizona last night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 14:22:23 GMT -6
Thanks coach, beleive me I'd love to , especially alongside someone like yourself but I have a hard enough time convincing my wife to move anywhere around here (east coast) but I appreaciate the offer.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 9, 2008 20:25:22 GMT -6
I am also glad our season is over. Easily the worst of my career. Finished 1-9. Had the 4th worst defense in the state, all classifications. 44.1 points per game given up. It wasn't so much the play of the players, we were very young and knew we were going to take our lumps. It was a soap opera off the field. I can probably count on one hand the days this season that we got to show up teach and coach. Everyday there was something new going on. It was a long, frustrating season capped off by a 35-0 loss where we took 16 players. 4 of whom were freshman. 6 players, 3 of whom were starters decided not to show up to the last walk thru. We kept them home. Finished the season with the kids who wanted to be there and had the heart to finish. And somehow there were a few parents who think all the discipline issues, mostly off campus, were the coach's fault. Time to work on next season.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 20:34:53 GMT -6
This season was a career-ender for me...
We had three-and a half hour practices that started an hour after school was over. We had no coherent offensive philosophy. Our practices were haphazard and unorganized and there really was no discipline at all. Head coach was a very stubborn guy who didn't accept any suggestions at all and really wanted assistants to be "yes" men.
By the end of the season, I sat in my classroom dreading the start of practice and then spent the next three and a half hours checking my watch every five minutes. Couldn't WAIT for the season to get over.
Told the head coach less than a week later that I was done. Not sure where that leaves me...in all likelihood, my spurs are hung up for good. I really like the place where I am teaching and I'm not going to look for another teaching gig. I like to think that I will get back into it eventually, but there is no way I can work for the guy who is there now.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 9, 2008 20:51:43 GMT -6
19delta, you never know how things will change. I've "retired" twice and this is my 3rd comeback, this last stint has probably been my most successful, absolutely stange how things work out.
Anyway, you've been at this long enough to know that when it quits being fun, then find something else to do. Things change though, and if this HC is as poor as you say, he can't be there forever. A new guy coming in may want to start fresh and with you may just look like that guy.
You never know how things will change. OJW
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 20:59:26 GMT -6
Anyway, you've been at this long enough to know that when it quits being fun, then find something else to do.OJW OJW - Sage words... I've been around enough to have worked on staffs where there are those 1 or 2 guys who are just pissed off, bitter, and negative all of the time...those guys are complete cancers and just not any fun at all to be around. I saw myself becoming "that guy" towards the end of this season. Told myself a long time ago when it got to the point that I was turning into "that guy", it was time to get out. That's basically where I am at right now. I know that I am going to miss it and and my wife doesn't believe that I'm done, but right now, it looks pretty good that I will be buying a ticket to see games next year. But, like you said...you never know what the future holds.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 22:21:05 GMT -6
Delta, is there no one you can talk to about it?
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Post by saintrad on Nov 9, 2008 22:24:53 GMT -6
19Delta, like I told kell you are more than welcome out here in Arizona.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 22:31:20 GMT -6
Saintrad, are you anywhere near Sauhrita High?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 22:31:33 GMT -6
I don't even know if I want to coach again after that, I'm the "screw me over once" type. The VP emailed me asking that I return, I told them it's up in the air, but unless MAJOR changes are made not likely.
I still can't beleive all the BS that went on this year it was like a friggin TV dramma
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 22:34:28 GMT -6
Coachkell, are you the HC. I get from your post you are an assistant.
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Post by spreadbone on Nov 9, 2008 22:57:22 GMT -6
Sitting here at 0-9 right now, easily possible that we will be 0-10. Funny season (my first HC gig) started by holding one of the top teams in the state to 7-0 at the 1/2, lost 35-10. Moved on played a lower classification powerhouse and hung around, but lost 30-14. Week 2 regular season played well on d (Duece would disagree, but they did) and lost 23-6 to an undefeated playoff team. Next week we are favored to win by 10 and lose 37-0! We couldn't get out of our own way on offense and the d really hurt us w/big plays. We had a bye week at which time we had 4 kids, seniors, quit. We then faced a grueling schedule of teams whose overall record at this point is 26-10 and got the brakes beat off of us. Had 1 good game where we held a wing-t team to less than 1/2 their avg. rushing yards but lost 15-3. We hung in there against the 6th ranked team in our classification going in at 1/2 time down 19-7 and actually made it 19-14 at one point only to lose 39-14. The last 2 weeks have been pitiful though, lost 47-7 and 59-6. On the practice field had huge drama, started off with 7 coaches total (including myself) now we are down to 4 total. 2 quit me and 1 is never here so he might as well have quit. I think that is the biggest reason for our lack of success is that kids see that we need more coaches. I will say this, the way we practice sometimes you'd never know we were 0-9. It's sad though, our seniors are the one's who are pouting and moping around, the juniors are lost (we only have 8) and our 12 sophomores are really our leaders. I still don't know where I went wrong though. I guess it was hiring such lame assistant coaches. Still, I never thought I'd be 0-9 in my first year, it just never crossed my mind. Really doing some soul searching right now to see what I can do to improve, but this board is a great place for just that! Thanks all.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 10, 2008 10:25:07 GMT -6
Spreadbone, tough year guy. Hope things turn around for you, we've all had tough years, but they don't stay around.
It seems that the Seniors were a real drag on the program. This is another reason that when new HC's come in, they fill every position with Soph for the future. I don't like that idea on a personal level because it hurts the kids that have been there for a while. On a professional level I totally understand it.
If you start Soph's it gives you some cover for a few years. People say, "hey, give the coach a few years, he's starting a bunch of kids, they'll be better later on." Which may or not be true, but it does give you some cover. But it IS a dirty deal.
With staff, I made a mistake 11 years ago when I came into a new program. There was a staff member that everyone lied to me about. Saying how great he was and how everyone loved him..blah blah blah. I kept him on, at the everyone's request.
Man, what a mistake, THEY LIED, after a few weeks I discovered that people are most often cowards, don't like confrontation, and have not guts. This guy was NUTS. Thankfully, this guy left the program a couple of months later.
I will never make that mistake again. When I come in...everybody is fired. I'm going to say, "I'll be back in a couple of weeks, don't be here when I arrive." Period. Hard? yes. Wrong? Probably.
But I did that at my new post, and have had NO hangover problems. Well, in town I've got enemies, but I'm sitting at 9-0 right now and nobody messes with me.
Good luck coach. OJW
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Post by realdawg on Nov 10, 2008 10:50:53 GMT -6
We just finished up our worst season ever at 1-10. We felt going in to the season we had the ability to be 500. However, we felt like we didnt get the most out of our kids until the last two games,which we lost 35-26 and 40-28 to much better teams. We actually held the lead in both of those games at the end of the 3rd qtr but couldnt hold them in the 4th. (last team was 9-1) On the bright spot our JV team tied for the conference crown. I think two years from now we will be very good again like we have in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 11:50:49 GMT -6
OJW, What's bad about bone and I's situation is we are home town boys who came back to coach the alma mater. Some of the staff here actually coached us!!! The one's he's talking about were new guys that were nothing more the POS IMO! Anyhow, it has been awful and the 4 of us have worked our butts off, but awful is about the best word to describe it.
Duece
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 10, 2008 12:01:59 GMT -6
Remember, being out-concieved doesn't make you a bad coach. Don''t make any decisions for a month or two.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 10, 2008 17:42:45 GMT -6
Deuce, you and spreadbone on the same staff? Whoa, that's some heavy hitters there. Wish I had a staff with 1/3 of y'alls knowledge and experience. Dude. You know Deuce, I was reading Spreadbones story and saying, "man this guy has the exactly same situation as Deuce." Well I guess "exactly" was the word. One day I hope to go "back home" but I've been gone for 30 years now with nothing in sight. Guess I'll have to wait for a few more years. Would love to go home again though, would be nice...well I think. Sorry to hear things aren't working out for all y'all. (that's the plural of y'all ) You know, you are young, you know your stuff, things will change around, they always do. No sense in saying the obvious "tough times don't last thing-etc," you already know that. I had a situation in 1984 (you wus a baby then) where I joined a friend at his home school and along with a group of business men, a state senator, and a group of local leaders tried to bring back a program and school that was fallen on hard times. It was a terrible failure. That county has now closed the school and created a magnate school-which is still terrible in football. We tried though and I have lots of memories from there, most not good, but the kids are were the best part. I know you know your stuff, here's to better day ahead for both of you. God bless, OJW
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 17:51:18 GMT -6
Coachkell, are you the HC. I get from your post you are an assistant. I was the (oc/dc/stc) "everything"coordinator until week 3 when the head coach quit, prior to a game. Being the only one with HC experience, the presedent of the Org. asked me to take the team till the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 20:50:08 GMT -6
Deuce, you and spreadbone on the same staff? Whoa, that's some heavy hitters there. Whoa! How did you guess my weight??? Yep we are on the same staff, or what's left of it. Bone got the job in January about 2 weeks after I got let go from my last HC gig. I had been there 6 years and we never won more than 7 games, but never lost less than 5. We were in the playoffs the last 3 seasons only to lose out in the first round (once to the eventual state runner up). Anyhow, bone and I played on the only team in the history of our school to go to the state championship game back in the early 90's. They thought he was a good fit for the HC job and when he found out I was out of work he called wanting me to be the DC and I took it. The hometown part is tough, b/c I've never really ever lost touch w/a lot of the people in town. It is a small town and very close knit, but that also means they don't have to reach far to stab your a$$ in the back! I guess it's been a real eye-opener for me b/c the last place I was at, I had no ties or anything. Now, I'm coaching my buddies nephew or younger brother and it's tough, especially with me being a "tell-it-like-it-is" type guy! Anyhow, it will be good to take some time off, do some hunting and relaxing and get back to work sometime after Christmas (yeah right, I'll be working on stuff while I'm hunting in my treestand next week). Anyhow, it's by far the most disappointing season I've ever been apart of. I played on a 1-9 team when I was in college. The worst record I've ever had coaching at the HS level is 5-5, so right now the 0-9 pill is tough to swallow. Anhow, now I'm venting and not getting my practice schedule ready for tomorrow! Good thread though. Duece
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 10, 2008 23:37:15 GMT -6
Saintrad, are you anywhere near Sauhrita High? Saint is actually in far northern AZ- I an actually about two hours North of Sahuarita.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 11, 2008 7:41:29 GMT -6
A principal I used to work for in Rigby Idaho is now the principal there. Smartest person I ever met.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 11, 2008 7:43:41 GMT -6
So what do you think they will do without a head coach? What will you do?
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2008 8:14:44 GMT -6
Saintrad, are you anywhere near Sauhrita High? Saint is actually in far northern AZ- I an actually about two hours North of Sahuarita. I know it isn't relevant but I find it funny that the landmark is THE metropolitan area of Sahuarita.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 9:53:32 GMT -6
So what do you think they will do without a head coach? What will you do? I don't know what they will do, most likely they'll ask one of the assistants, o some parent to take over, that's what heppened when I left the 1st time. Then my replacement came back to bite me in the ass, this year. As for me I don't know either, I'm not sure I want to return to coaching next season, I guess part of it's my fault I came in with high expectations, but walked into a bad situation. I have a few offers to go elsewhere (to competitors) and 1-2 high school offers, but it's tough to make the practice times for the HS teams. I'll wait and see what happens
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