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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 8, 2008 23:34:49 GMT -6
If you are busy that is fine, if you want to help a student of the game, I'd really appreciate it.
I want to know everything about breaking down game tape. (Say I was breaking down the offense of an upcoming opponent)
1) What do you look for?
2) Do you literally draw up every play the teams offense ran?
3) Do you have a link to the template you use?
4) Do you chart down and distance, hash, everything?
You can message me too, I just really want to learn this. I have ample hours of free time at college, and I want to impress the GA's at work.
Thank you very much, any help is appreciated dearly.
(Sorry I didn't know where to put this thread topic)
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Post by fish on Nov 9, 2008 0:27:39 GMT -6
as a secondary coach this is what i look at:
i draw up every pass
i look at the formations they throw from
i look at where they are throwing (routes, zones, etc)
i look at if he's throwing from the pocket or rolling out
i look at how long he's holding the ball
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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 9, 2008 0:37:06 GMT -6
as a secondary coach this is what i look at: i draw up every pass i look at the formations they throw from i look at where they are throwing (routes, zones, etc) i look at if he's throwing from the pocket or rolling out i look at how long he's holding the ball Ah, I see. Thank you. From there, where do you go? You teach the CBs / Safetys what their tendencies are? |
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Post by fish on Nov 9, 2008 0:42:00 GMT -6
i work with the safeties
from there we practice our coverages
where our reads are
how to break on the ball, etc
we do a lot of group (7 on 7, with the full secondary and the linebackers) and just familiarization with the opponents routes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 0:44:31 GMT -6
i'm curious to hear this too....would like to learn a lot more but here's what ive been looking at. I watch the tape a couple times, once is just an overview and a look at personnel and how they like to play. i do the film input into the computer database so the video plays and i basically have to sit there and chop up the film, so i usually do this while taking care of that, just to get some initial impressions. offense i dont draw up every play, but their big gainers, what they like to run on 1st down, what they like on 2nd and long, what they like to pull out on 3rd down and those "crucial" downs...those are probably the plays that they feel most comfortable running. keep an eye out for formation tendencies for plays - a team i was just watching film on just now likes to run their middle screen out of empty to the 3WR side, and they align their slot WRs tighter for their little swing screen/toss crack play (either way ball is going outside), etc stuff like that. what they like to run after a sack, what they run after a big play, what they run backed up, redzone plays, etc. if you just keep watching the tape these things start to stand out...although for NCAA D-I game film i'd guess that they'd be tougher to pick out than high school stuff, since coaches are better tat hiding their tendencies and everything is more complex. defense im still working on learning, of course the base alignment, coverages, how they react to the offense. our last game we noticed that the safeties were quick to jump up and react to the middle crossers, we used a WR on a drag to influence him and sent a post from the other side to the spot behind him. most of the quality tape we get isnt good enough to chart plays, you cant always figure out down/distance so i dont bother. if you do i have a spreadsheet for tendencies and stuff. unfortunately i made it with excel 2007 so its in .xlsx format...i couldnt convert it down to the old version without losing a bunch of data, it said.  you only edit values into the blue shaded areas and it calculates the percentages for you. www.sendspace.com/file/f7aesy |
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Post by coachrudy on Nov 9, 2008 1:35:15 GMT -6
Has anyone read Steve Belichick's book on this "Football Scouting Methods?" I just ordered it. Liber Apertus Press just began printing this again in September. Barnes & Noble has it for order.
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Post by hustleandheart on Nov 9, 2008 1:40:11 GMT -6
i'm curious to hear this too....would like to learn a lot more but here's what ive been looking at. I watch the tape a couple times, once is just an overview and a look at personnel and how they like to play. i do the film input into the computer database so the video plays and i basically have to sit there and chop up the film, so i usually do this while taking care of that, just to get some initial impressions. offense i dont draw up every play, but their big gainers, what they like to run on 1st down, what they like on 2nd and long, what they like to pull out on 3rd down and those "crucial" downs...those are probably the plays that they feel most comfortable running. keep an eye out for formation tendencies for plays - a team i was just watching film on just now likes to run their middle screen out of empty to the 3WR side, and they align their slot WRs tighter for their little swing screen/toss crack play (either way ball is going outside), etc stuff like that. what they like to run after a sack, what they run after a big play, what they run backed up, redzone plays, etc. if you just keep watching the tape these things start to stand out...although for NCAA D-I game film i'd guess that they'd be tougher to pick out than high school stuff, since coaches are better tat hiding their tendencies and everything is more complex. defense im still working on learning, of course the base alignment, coverages, how they react to the offense. our last game we noticed that the safeties were quick to jump up and react to the middle crossers, we used a WR on a drag to influence him and sent a post from the other side to the spot behind him. most of the quality tape we get isnt good enough to chart plays, you cant always figure out down/distance so i dont bother. if you do i have a spreadsheet for tendencies and stuff. unfortunately i made it with excel 2007 so its in .xlsx format...i couldnt convert it down to the old version without losing a bunch of data, it said. you only edit values into the blue shaded areas and it calculates the percentages for you. www.sendspace.com/file/f7aesyIt's all good, thanks for all the info man. Good luck. |
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Post by Split50 on Nov 9, 2008 8:38:59 GMT -6
We trade 2/3 videos with our next opponent.
We chart the entire film(s). We draw every offensive play. Then we put the info into the computer. From there we can break tendencies down. We will get reports on:
*Down/distance
*Hole hit
*Back/receiver
*Play type--dive, trap, sweep, etc.
*Pass type--drop back, play action, sprint out, etc.
*Formation
*Field position--vertical, hortizontal
We then take this info and determine the top run/pass plays, formaions, etc. for setting up our defensive game plans for practice.
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Post by Bill Vasko on Nov 9, 2008 21:55:49 GMT -6
HandH, I would suggest sitting in on film breakdowns with the GA's--if you have good GA's that is. That's the best way to learn about breaking down film in my opinion. I'm sure they would even let you help because the charting part really isn't that much fun after you've broken down one of the films of your ooponent. Watching the video= fun, charting = monotony, unless someone is helping.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Nov 10, 2008 7:47:11 GMT -6
Split50,
If you don't mind me asking, what type of program do you use for your breakdown and how much does it cost? I still do all that stuff the old fashioned way and would love to save that time, but I'm not exactly a computer genius either. Is it easy to use? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Post by Split50 on Nov 10, 2008 12:21:11 GMT -6
jp,
I used an old program I got from Aaron Kyle in 1993. I paid about $50 for it at the time. It gave me everything I wanted, plus some.
I am computer challenged as well, so the newer programs go right over my head. However, we have a techno geek on staff who does all the work, now. I retired and they invested several $$$$ in what they are using now. I am not sure of the program
Aaron Kyle Graphics is still in operation. At least he was still doing business about a year ago.
I believe he now has a new version of the program. The program was "Databook".
Aaron is a former defensive back with the Dallas Cowboys. I will do some checking a get back with you.
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Post by Split50 on Nov 10, 2008 12:42:39 GMT -6
jp,
upon further checking, I cannot find a web page for Aaron Kyle. I will keep looking, but he may have gone out of business.
If you are interested in my old program, I might can copy and send it to you.
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 10, 2008 14:14:20 GMT -6
jp, upon further checking, I cannot find a web page for Aaron Kyle. I will keep looking, but he may have gone out of business. If you are interested in my old program, I might can copy and send it to you. Coach I sent you an email. |
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Post by Split50 on Nov 10, 2008 17:09:30 GMT -6
Coach Taylor and JP,
I will see what I can do about the program and get back with you both.
Billy Hill
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Post by mce86 on Nov 10, 2008 19:03:16 GMT -6
Offensively, this is what I scout on defense....
Hash, Position, down, distance, gain, motion, backset, formation, strength, run or pass, run or pass type, front, coverage, blitz and and DL game/ stunts, and then series end.
Each game takes approximately 90 minutes and we do 4 games a week.
I know its not the same for you, but you get an idea....
all the same, except instead of individual plays, you wouls have pass concepts (smash, curl, verts) or run concepts (inside zone, outide zone, iso, option)
Probably would get alot of formation. down and distance tendency.
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