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Post by phantom on Nov 8, 2008 15:24:58 GMT -6
I'm not a big yeller. When I do it gets their attention. I almost never yell during games. During practice I rarely yell at an individual. I'll yell at the group for lack of effort.
If a kid screws up he doesn't need (as opposed to "doesn't want" which is not a consideration) yelling. He needs instruction.
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Post by fish on Nov 8, 2008 21:30:29 GMT -6
i am not a yeller i don't operate that way i believe that kids/athletes should perform because they want to, not because they are afraid or intimidated i am a very patient person, and usually when a kid messes up i'm pretty calm and will explain how they can do it better next time and what to look for
i do believe that every staff needs that 'bulldog' type coach, though the one that can really get into the kids and let 'em have it
the important thing after ripping into one of your players is going to him after practice and letting him understand where you're coming from if you break him down, you need to build him back up tell them the good things they are doing as well
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Post by coachm on Nov 9, 2008 11:52:50 GMT -6
i definitely don't yell as much as I used in my first few years of coaching but what I do more of is yell in POSITIVES if/when they happen.
the kids seem to respond to that.
some kids handle the yelling thing (positive/negative) better than others so I try to pick and choose when and what when I do.
alot more complicated then when I played when you got your ass chewed out for doing anything!
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Post by jpdaley25 on Nov 10, 2008 8:56:43 GMT -6
Yelling is one way to hold kids accountable for what they are supposed to do and know. It is also the quickest way to make an impression. We don't have enough time to be patient. Yelling is faster than running sprints or doing up downs or other reminders. Yelling is a good teaching tool. It is also a good way to set the tone for practice or getting the kids emotionally involved. It's a good way to promote intensity. Having said that, not all coaches are good yellers. It has to suit your personality, and I think you have to have a knack for it. Two of the best coaches I've ever been around were screamers, but the kids absolutely loved them. You yell by design for a specific purpose, not out of frustration or anger at a particular player. I want my defensive coordinator to be a nail chewing intensity coach who yells and screams and goes crazy - by design and with wisdom. I want my offensive coordinator to be more of a teacher and a preacher. I don't want my offense out there so pumped up that they can't think. I think the head coach should be calm and in command - If I yell, it is usually to a group or the team as a whole. If I chew a player out, I take him off to the side and do it without yelling. Being chewed out by the head coach is different than being chewed out by an assistant. When it reaches me, It's ultimatum time. That's my two cents.
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Post by angryman27909 on Jan 19, 2009 9:08:03 GMT -6
coachkell, my middle school school did this to us once for failing to play hard against a team that was bigger than us. he made us take off our helmets while he slap the crap out of all of us when we was finishes knocking us around he then asked " how big did they look now". we answered " they're some little MF". we came back and beat the crap out of those boys. great half time coaching....lol now back to this new age psycho crap about yelling. yelling does not put down another person self esteem nor is it insensitivity to the little twart feelings. yelling put down the EGO not the Self Esteem. i have no sensitivity to an ego but we all have in many ways coach up kids character and the means building a self esteem. i have carried this argument with many of our school counselors and psychologist in my area. have them to come to my practises and games to see the difference it makes. yelling ( at the ego) is apart of good scorning and discipline. the embarassment factor works well since most of the kids are so crazy about "looking good" (ego state) in front of their boyz. plus to get clinical for a moment, all this excessive unrealistic prasie mess we are doing is doing more harm to the brain and aggressive behavior than good. within the brain their is a region called the cingulate that is responsible for understand rewards, expectation and empathy(many others functions i'm just trying to clearify). when we give kids "false real world" experiences we have train the cingulate to evaluate situation (in this case rewards and punishments)base on the "fales world" we create and not the "real world" rewards and punishment system . as a result when the kids are faced with the "real world reward system" they (the kids) will feel violated, threaten, and wronged, because their cingulate has to be "rewired" to relearned to sociably acceptable way. this is IMO one of the reason our kids are anti-social, aggressive, impulsive and psycopatic. all juvenille dention studies have shown dysfunctinal cingulate to be the causes of anti social, impulsive, aggressive, and psychopathic problems. psychology has done this great social experement, now get off my field, let coaches be coaches, dads be dads, and men be men. our kids cingulate needs us.
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Post by lochness on Jan 19, 2009 9:21:29 GMT -6
I may yell once a season, if someone is disrespectful or doing something dangerous that they know should not be done.
For the most part, I raise my voice to a "yell" if I am instructing someone on a point or correcting a mistake, and I want everyone to be able to hear the point so it is not lost on everyone but one person.
But, it is not "yelling" out of anger.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 19, 2009 9:31:13 GMT -6
I "yell" when explaining a drill, teaching a fundamental, or whatever. It's not that i'm scolding anyone, I'm just loud. I feel it helps energize my players.
I do "yell" at players, but not directly.
i.e. if we're running a drill, and 1 or 2 guys is doing it poorly, I'll stop the drill and go in to yell mode, "more energy, more focus, c'mon you guys are better football players" then re-explaining the basics of the drill.
Basically, I turn the heat up on everyone when 1 or 2 kids are loafing. Rarely do I yell at a kid directly. If I need to focus coaching on one individual, I'll do it quietly and face to face.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 19, 2009 10:38:19 GMT -6
Each year I learned to yell less. Never considered myself a yeller but I'm sure I would be good for one tantrum about every other week. Not as frequent as others but more than I think is effective.
I'm good for about 1 tantrum a season now. It's amazing how quickly the kids respond and in a sustained way when you pick your moments to "Let them have it." Last year we were down by 21 with seven minutes to go in a critical game during week six. I felt our kids were giving up based on their body language that I saw as the our opponent was kicking the PAT. I assembled everyone on the sideline prior to the next K.O. and I really let them have it. We came back and won the game in overtime. I honestly believe that if I were a constant tantrum guy, the effect would have been minimal at best.
We won that game and our next two and we needed to in order to get into post season. People still ask me what I said to the kids and I honestly don't remember. The kids just say that Coach was really pi$$ed and that's about all they remember, too.
Do we coach loud? You bet we do. But our entire staff does but we always do it in a positive way and we do it while maintaining the up-tempo we like to practice with. Being loud is intentional as long as there are positive comments and coaching cues going on.
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 19, 2009 10:46:39 GMT -6
There is a huge difference in yelling and yelling at a player. Some coaches are loud and animated when on the practice field it's just who they are in that environment and that is something very different then "yelling at a player". I think there are several things to keep in mind: 1) what does that player respond to? For some players that's the button you push for them. 2) You cannot make it a habit to "go off" on a player or players because soon they tune you out when you go off. 3) Never make it personal or make it sound personal regardless of the volume you use "You are an idiot" is bad no matter whether it's a whisper or a scream.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 19, 2009 13:40:24 GMT -6
I'm loud and passionate, but I wouldn't say I'm a 'yeller'. I've got a temper, that's for certain, and when it's up, it's no secret, but I do not believe in using negative energy while attempting to instruct. I try to make sure that when I'm teaching the kids in a large-group setting, I'm loud, up-tempo, and positive and I'm lovin' 'em up good while I'm doing it. When I'm angry, I usually give them the quiet and intense talk after pulling them aside. When I'm p*ssed, everyone will know it. That said, I only get to that point 3-4 times a season, so it has meaning when I do. I believe that players can and will feel the energy that you project while correcting them, if you're negative, they'll withdraw and you've lost them for the day. There will be no more improvement for that player until tomorrow. If you're positive while correcting, they stay engaged and continue to at least attempt to improve, regardless of whether they actually do or not. Also, I get severe headaches if I yell too much
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jan 19, 2009 14:07:02 GMT -6
What I find the most challenging part of balancing our tone on the practice field is creating the sense of urgency. We do that through our pace at practice, but how do we get the sense of urgency with our voice.
Monday- Thursdays we practice as much, if not more urgency then Friday nights. We always struggle and critique ourselves to see how we can best sell the urgency message within our practice.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jan 19, 2009 15:11:39 GMT -6
I seldom yell during a ball game - If we haven't coached the athlete up during the week so that he is doing the right thing we shouldn't be yelling at him. I yell at poor effort at practice - or when I instruct the backs to do something and the very next set of backs do not do what has been told.
Interestingly, I have been bashed in the local INTERNET chat lines for not yelling during the games -- we finished .500 this year after having been involved in a 30 game losing streak two years ago -- but I don't yell enough... (*^!@%@##!%&@9*(&*(!
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Post by coach4life on Jan 19, 2009 21:17:27 GMT -6
Yelling is like cussing, if you do it all the time it has very little value. If they are loafing or missing assignments that I'm sure they know, they are going to hear it. Other than that coaching is teaching and it is the rare person who learns well when someone is screaming at them, especially with today's kids. Being loud is not yelling to berate, sometimes it's necessary to get the word out on the field or address a large group of spread out players sometimes.
As to cussing, that's even more interesting. We each have our own way of expressing ourselves and I've heard guys use language with kids I wouldn't use with my buddies, but some guys seem to reach kids that way. For me I never do it as a normal course of action because I'm saving it for a time when it will be an attention grabber, as in "Let's get it in gear and go kick their butts!", substituting butts with more colorful verbiage I think will widen their eyes up a bit. Done very rarely it can be effective when you really need that little something extra to get their attention.
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Post by atalbert on Jan 20, 2009 9:29:38 GMT -6
Last year, I tried to focus on doing the opposite of what the kids thought I would do.
If it is a situation where I would usually blow a gasket, I tried to remain as calm and matter-of-fact as possible. I would explain what I expected and why it was expected and move on. In other instances that seemed to be "no big deal" I would lose it on purpose, swear and curse like drunken sailor and threaten to run them until I was tired.
The kids seemed to focus better and concentrate on the little things (fundys, etc). They also seemed to police each other on the big things because I was not doing it for them like before.
I don't know if it will work every year, but the change seemed to produce results for me last year.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 20, 2009 12:45:23 GMT -6
I am big in positive reinforcement and that works for the good kids. It even works for some of the not so good ones. Interestingly enough today I had a kid who didnt respond much to positive reinforcement tell me " you need to get pissed, really pissed sometime" - what do you think about that?!
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Post by indian1 on Jan 20, 2009 18:27:29 GMT -6
Sometimes you have to get their attention.......
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2009 20:01:36 GMT -6
if I had to guess about 5% of the time I have ever "yelled" at the players (mind you, other than just getting loud so people can hear in the wind/wts etc) I might have been fired up and let slip
most all the time when I get "fired up" I know exactly what I am doing and I am doing it for a reason
every once in a while, a player asks me or says something along the lines ( hey you don't want to make coach tog mad blah blah blah) I then say
you have never seen me mad
and I mean it
i have learned to control the fury/rage etc it takes to play the game the way I think it should be played at and understand that kids may not get this, and that overall, they are kids and will make mistakes
hell
the other day i got pissed watching andy reid jump all up and down his kicker after missing a fg
i told my wife
well i bet that does a lot of good
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Post by red2slam on Jan 21, 2009 9:25:47 GMT -6
I use to not believe it, but there are other methods to getting a kids attention than yelling screaming or raising your voice. tots teach you this.
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Post by warrior53 on Jan 21, 2009 12:26:52 GMT -6
I know, like many of you have posted, my yelling has become more selective as the years have gone on. The only time I yell at my players is for no hustle or no effort. I feel I can't coach technique if these two things are not there. I also think that the type of kid you coach (as a whole, not as an individual) can withstand/need a little more/less yelling and enthusiasm. This takes time to determine and I think can be an issue that is often overlooked as a coaching staff
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Post by tog on Jan 21, 2009 13:21:28 GMT -6
some kids get yelled at enough at home
their automated defense mechanism is to just shut down
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Post by nohuddlecoach on Jan 21, 2009 13:39:41 GMT -6
I go off on poor effort only. The rest is correctable.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 21, 2009 13:48:31 GMT -6
Amen... I was "talked to" by our Admin last season because I was "Too negative and sarcastic with the kids, and they might get their feelings hurt".
Here is the situation...
We are playing our League Champs and we are up on them 17-10 with about 3:00 left in the game. All game long we have been going with an inverted 2 that rolled into 3 when the flysweep guy motioned. Went over it about 1000 times in practice that week, and ran it all game long which helped us get our lead against them. Earlier in the game our FS cheated up when he was supposed to rotate to deep middle, and the QB didn't notice. Our FS made a play in the hook/curl area, but we yelled across the field at him to not do that since there was someone wide open down the middle of the field.
During the next timeout, we had him on the sideline and explained to him why even though he made the play, he shouldn't do it because it wasn't his responsibility.
Well... they line up in their base formation... bring the motion away from him (he is supposed to rotate back to deep middle), and he sees the TE running a 12 yd curl... he jumps it, and the playside 2 WR's run a post/wheel, so the corner has to take the wheel route and the FS supposed to take the post. Their coaches had obviously coached up their QB because he KNEW he was throwing the post the entire way. TD with 3 minutes left to tie it up. They go on to put up another one on us and we lose.
The kid comes off the field after the TD and of course I was a little "heated up" at the moment. So I say to him, "What have we been repping all week long?"... Followed by me turning around and saying, "Man... Why don't we listen sometimes".
The principal was standing on the sideline (don't even get me started on why the admin is on the sideline... only causes more issues) and heard me say those 2 statements. AD called me in on monday and had a little "chat" with me about how the admin doesn't want us to say anything about that, and how I should have encouraged him with a "nice-effort", or "It's okay"... AAAAHHHHH!
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