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Post by coachmathis on Nov 5, 2008 15:00:54 GMT -6
How many of you coaches are the fire and brimestone type that are always or a good percentage of the time yelling at your players? I watched the OTL story on UCF and read the thread on here peratining to it and I was wondering how many of you agree with always yelling at players who make mistakes or those who arent running hard etc.
I for one don't believe in it. I do think there are times to yell and scream but I don't think that it has to be done all or most of the time. I rarely yell at my players. I use a positive approach where I rarely yell and try to give corrections in a positive way.
I am wondering if yelling is a product of the "that is what football coaches do" mind set. Like this movement of high school coaches working 7 days a week and all types of hours on the weekends.
Now I will brace myself because I am sure that I will be taking it on the chin,lol.
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Post by CVBears on Nov 5, 2008 15:45:23 GMT -6
I do agree that yelling too much leads to the kids tuning you out. However, I feel that I yell a ton. I want everyone on the practice field to know that Austin is loafing/not giving effort, that Houston did a great club rip, that El Paso took perfect read steps and go absolutely berserk when San Antonio caused and recovered a fumble in practice. I yell for the bad and the good. Some kids don't respond well to yelling, good or bad. I'm not barking up a storm with those types of kids. To me, "yelling" is speaking at high volume. So yes, I yell more than any coach I know. The key, IMO, is that positives come just as much as negatives.
negatives, no matter how loudly they are delivered, add up to a detriment. Without compliments/recognition of doing something correct, we lose the kids
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Post by kboyd on Nov 5, 2008 15:54:38 GMT -6
I very rarely will yell at my players, maybe the odd bark when they're acting like a$$hats. I look at it from the "Do unto others.." philosophy - I know when I was younger if someone was yelling at me I tuned them out so I don't see the point in yelling all the time.
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Post by eickst on Nov 5, 2008 16:58:31 GMT -6
I only yell at players/groups of players when they are
a) Slacking in drills/being lazy b) Goofing off c) not paying attention when a coach is speaking
I do not yell at players for getting beat, performing the wrong assignment (unless they didn't know their assignment because they were goofing off when we were teaching it), dropping a pass, making a bad throw, etc.
Basically I only yell when it's a discipline issue. I yell, then the entire team gets punished minus the player who caused it all because I want him up front so everyone can thank him.
The goal is not to have kids that will run through a wall for you. The goal is to have kids that will run through walls for each other.
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Post by guillaume on Nov 5, 2008 18:22:13 GMT -6
I take my cues from Mark Richt at UGA. An amazing figure of calm. From what I understand though, if he does yell, something is afoot and players respond to it very quickly.
Obviously yelling constantly just make the player "blaze" about the whole thing: so what if coach is yelling again... he always does.
Whereas if you dont yell, and once in a blue moon go ape on them, they tend to remember that. Plus I think it is a very lesson to learn that your worries don't go away just because you yell at them, nor is yelling the right way to get people to do what you want.
Being stone faced is a great life lesson I think: think before you act sort of lesson. Internalize then use that anger against an opponent is what I say to players. Someone did you wrong in the pile, fine, don't yell, don't shout, just focus and show him who is the best player.
I think the players really pick up on that. If i dont yell, I have calm focus sidelines, if every 5 seconds I am running around yelling at the top of my voice, so do the players. It is natural for them to follow the coach in those situations, and that is not a responsible attitude to project.
So, I think that a calm focus attitude is more inducing to work than a shouty attitude.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 5, 2008 19:35:09 GMT -6
I don't yell much, mostly to get the attention of the players on the field to make them aware of something. I know how much I hated coaches yelling at me as a player, so I guess that has something to do with it.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 5, 2008 22:17:54 GMT -6
I INSTRUCT loudly sometimes. The players know how passionate I am about what we are doing. Sometimes its on their butts and a lot of the time the YELLING is encouragement. So yes, I do yell at our guys....but mostly positive.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 6, 2008 1:16:47 GMT -6
If you yell (in anger) all of the time, how will anyone know when you are mad?
However, when coaching a drill I talk very loud and enthused so that kids can hear me.
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Post by jlt on Nov 6, 2008 2:51:23 GMT -6
I only yell if things go mega wrong.
If they go a little wrong or quite wrong I ask them what the problem is and we try and sort it out on the sideline ready for the next series.
If it is an individual player I have a stern word with them but dont shout.
If things go wrong horrifically like they did on sunday then yes I lose my temper and scream lots.
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Post by coachrudy on Nov 6, 2008 5:38:55 GMT -6
I used to be a yeller. I would motivate, instruct, and discipline all in the same tones. As I have matured as a coach I have mellowed in my approach. I don't YELL AT my kids I YELL TO them. When I would YELL AT kids, it would generally be frustration venting out. It was negative and not productive. Now when I YELL TO my kids it is only within coachable moments and is positive. I elevate my voice to make certain they understand the importance of my statement. As coaches have pointed out, kids had toned me out when all I did was yell at them. Now when I need to get a point across, I yell to them and it has a very different effect.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Nov 6, 2008 6:05:28 GMT -6
Yelling is a precursor to discipline for us.
Ie, we had a situation where a player threw food at one of our film sessions. He got yelled out, then got a healthy dose of discipline running tacked on to clean up duty.
Ie, we had a situation where a kid walked away from a coach who was calmly reteaching technique to him. he got yelled at for lack of respect.
Yelling is a warning sign to our kids. IF they screw up in a game and they get yelled at (usually so everyone can hear who screwed up) they know that if it happens again, they are removed from the game in exchange for someone who will do the job as its expected to be done.
Yelling for the sake of yelling has little to do with teaching or coaching. Most of the screamers "cmon, hit somebody" types do not have a clue about coaching.
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Post by coachdubyah on Nov 6, 2008 6:38:23 GMT -6
I am a bit of an instructer/yeller at practice. However, on gameday you will hardly here me rise above normal talking volume. At practice, I will only yell if there is lack of effort, goofing off, and/or excuses. In games if someone messes up I will correct them, if it happens again I will say, "I am going to find someone else if you can't do it." I try not to single kids out. I coach oline and we take screw ups as a unit, not one person.
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Post by coachdbs on Nov 6, 2008 9:29:57 GMT -6
I am a yeller...that is just how I coach. However, I have also mellowed with experience and learned that if you do it all the time...kids tune you out. I am also a big fan of loving on them when they do things right. If you are going to yell at them for loafing/screwing up/etc., then you had better pat them on the back when they do well!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 11:12:59 GMT -6
I dont usually yell, but there are times whan I feel it's warrnated, like when the kids are loafing
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Post by wolfden12 on Nov 6, 2008 12:37:21 GMT -6
Every kid is different. I know it motivates some and others it makes them put there tail between their legs. It's about you knowing your kids and who needs it and who doesn't. I tend to balance the two well however, I will lose it if I'm giving a kid a shot, providing him with an opportunity to play and he's not giving me his best effort and all the while his mistakes are reoccurring. Plus, in today's world its not as accepted as it was in the past. I liked being yelled at when I played because it let me know the coach cared. Today, parents don't want you yelling at their kid. It's a complex situation intensified by where and whom you coach.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 6, 2008 13:16:34 GMT -6
It might not be politically correct, but sometimes I will "yell" just to see how a kid will react in a tough situation. I will also "yell" a kid doing something correct (usually an alignment) to see if he will stand up for himself
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 13:19:11 GMT -6
I'm with coachkell. I'm not a yeller, but will when I feel it's needed. I feel this makes it more emphatic on the occasions I do yell.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 6, 2008 14:24:33 GMT -6
Being loud is one thing, berating your players with negativity is a entirely different story. I am loud to the point of being obnoxious; but I am always very positive.
I used to be a "fire and brimstone" type of guy, but didn't have success with it and it drained me.
My approach now is very different; when I instruct it's always very positive and upbeat, even if it's the fifteenth time I've said the same thing. BUT, I make it very clear to the kids that if I won't play the kid if I have to repeat myself constantly when it comes to skill. It's not a matter of frustration, it's because I know they aren't listening.
If I have to discipline for lack of effort or attitude, I pull the kid aside and get on him for it, but I don't do any yelling. I explain to them that of they continue to show me that poor effort or attitude, they'll be riding the bench. If it continues after that, they'll be going home. In the end, I always walk out on top because I don't say things that I end up regretting.
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Post by kboyd on Nov 6, 2008 14:52:42 GMT -6
My worst problem is swearing when I get fired up. I know all too well that it's wrong but sometimes I just can't seem to stop myself.
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Post by trojan on Nov 7, 2008 7:45:35 GMT -6
For better or for worse, I never yell AT a kid during a game. Missing a key tackle irritates me. Coughing up the ball drives me nuts. A safety who gets beat deep has no excuses. At the time, however, yelling at the kid won't help (in my opinion). He already feels bad, and I'm not going to help by yelling.
In practice, I am more liberal with my yelling, but not on game day.
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Post by schultbear74 on Nov 7, 2008 7:52:32 GMT -6
I don't yell very often. It makes an impression when I do. Some guys yell all of the time and get people's attention. Some guys yell and the people don't hear the words, but take it as a beating. Others, still, are just ridiculous.
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Post by fatkicker on Nov 7, 2008 11:35:12 GMT -6
it's kinda like that lady on the 2nd row at church.....
she thinks louder means better when she sings.......SHE'S WRONG!!!
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Post by angryman27909 on Nov 7, 2008 11:57:06 GMT -6
i yell alot, after teaching my information i expect it to carryed out or the effort to carry it out being made. if i dont see the effort them im up in some butt like and old drill sgt. my goal is to create stress and coach them through it. i will run behind my qb or rb and yell out the wrong reads or holes behind them to make them decisive. know what you're doing and "move without doubt" which i explain to them later. after a few weeks they understand what i'm doing and start laughing and me to. once i know thats i can no longer get to them that way the yelling ends.
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Post by undertakerx on Nov 7, 2008 14:24:49 GMT -6
I have three things to add to this.
1. I am not much of a yeller but when i coach a kid up 3-5 times and tell him to step with his right foot on zone right and he still steps with his left i do lose it and start yelling. 2. The co OC likes to yell and has no problem breaking a kid down. I take a little more time and try to explain things to the kids in a different way so they might understand. It has been working good for us. 3. My head coach in college would get in our face and yell at us. It made us tuff.
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 7, 2008 16:52:11 GMT -6
I'm not much of yeller. I feel that it breaks a kid down emotionally and hurts their self-esteem. All my coaches in HS and College were not yellers. Don't get me wrong once in awhile I lose it and do yell, but very seldom.
During a game I do not yell as I feel that the coach sets the tempo and how the players react. If I'm yelling at the players or the officials all the time then I'm giving the players and the fans to also do that. I want to be a positive example.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 7, 2008 16:59:06 GMT -6
My worst problem is swearing when I get fired up. I know all too well that it's wrong but sometimes I just can't seem to stop myself. This is a problem that I have as well and it's one of the reasons why I don't do much yelling. As soon as I raise my tone of voice, the poor language (PG-13) comes rolling out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 20:06:42 GMT -6
I ripped into my kids last week at halftime, because they quit on the field, they thought they were outgunned so the tackling got progressively worse, as did the score, the mistakes began to add up, there was almost NO pursuit by the defense. We fumbled 4 handoffs. Passes hitting kids square in the #'s and no attempt to catch it. People standing around watching the QB get killed.
I think they were starting to beleive they hype about being a bad team, they were starting not to give a $h!t..so I told them how it is, and they did play better the second half.
I don't beleive in berating, or demeaning players though
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Post by carookie on Nov 8, 2008 11:56:05 GMT -6
I never yell to break down a kid in front of others, I'll yell as much complementing a kid as I will putting one down. During practice I at times will be working with a group of kids of about 20; they are running around hitting and have helmets on, if I'm not loud they may not hear me.
During a game if my DE is lined up wrong and he's on the other side of the field I better be yelling at him because he ain't gonna hear me whispering.
I think this question was originally inteded to adress yeller and screamers who do so out of frustration, but I think there is a large group of us who are going to be loud and intense because thats what football is. And we are often misconstrued as the mean yelling types.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 8, 2008 12:21:43 GMT -6
I am very loud spoken...and many times when I am talking strenuously it is mistaken for yelling. However, if you've ever heard me yell the difference is easily distinguished. To say I'm a yeller isn't really accurate. I yell for various reasons, lazy play, screwing around, openly defiant. Very rarely for a mistake because I come from the "what you see is what you coached" philosophy. I will also say, when I do yell, where we are has no impact on the conversation that takes place or the volume of it. Look I'm a firey guy, I'm very intense and doing things right is a given, I expect you to not only do them right, but also the way YOU are capable of doing them and if I'm getting less than your best effort, you're going to hear about it instantly. BUT, I will also say, I will rip into a kid in my class or hallway at full volume if need be. I've been loud enough in the hallway before that 5-6 teachers came out of there room to see what was going on. If you're in my class and you hear me ask "is this going to be a situation?" get your ear plugs in, it's getting ready to come down. I really do think we are related For me, yelling is really only a practice thing and then only for certain issues. PURSUIT is a biggie here, from a practical point of view. At the college level, that was the DL coaches SINGLE job during any team period. Instruction/corrections would be made in the film room, his 1st and 2nd job was to make sure we had 11 players sprinting to the ball. Lack of physical play might be another, especially with younger players. Sounds kind of barbaric, but sometimes "fear" of me can overcome "fear" of contact early on in a players career (jr high/frosh). I have NO patience for the yellers and screamers on the sidelines on friday nights. Hay is SO far into the barn at this point..yelling that "you gotta block someone" has never won a football game.
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Post by airman on Nov 8, 2008 15:02:30 GMT -6
I rarely yell at players. If I see a kid slackng i call him over and give on a lashing in private. If he was to tell the others what I said he can do so.
If I yell things are really bad. If I swear the earth is going to stand still. Kid know if I swear, it is going to lead to conditioning right in the middle of practice and the wasted time will be added on to the practice.
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