sbv
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Post by sbv on Nov 5, 2008 11:40:00 GMT -6
Guys,
I am setting up before school weights at 6:30 monday through thursday for the offseason. Two of the days will be speed/agility stuff, the other two will be explosive lifting stuff. Most of my kids also have a weights class in the high school taught by my DC, who will be helping me with the morning weights and we have coordinated our program so we do not overlap. Here is my problem: The basketball coach, who has been real nice and supportive of me while I've been here, has told at least one of my players who also plays basketball, not to come to morning weights. "you should only need to lift once a day" is what he told this kid. I'm at a loss as to what to do because this is a guy who I have respect for, he's an old-school type of guy who has been supportive. My argument is that the kids only have 50 minutes for a weights class, not to mention the 7 minutes before and afterwards to change so the lifting time is only around 40 minutes. What do you guys think?
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Post by touchdownmaker on Nov 5, 2008 12:20:59 GMT -6
40 min is plenty
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 5, 2008 12:23:38 GMT -6
Does the BB coach have his own conditioning program
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Post by knight9299 on Nov 5, 2008 12:27:08 GMT -6
Guys, I am setting up before school weights at 6:30 monday through thursday for the offseason. Two of the days will be speed/agility stuff, the other two will be explosive lifting stuff. Most of my kids also have a weights class in the high school taught by my DC, who will be helping me with the morning weights and we have coordinated our program so we do not overlap. Here is my problem: The basketball coach, who has been real nice and supportive of me while I've been here, has told at least one of my players who also plays basketball, not to come to morning weights. "you should only need to lift once a day" is what he told this kid. I'm at a loss as to what to do because this is a guy who I have respect for, he's an old-school type of guy who has been supportive. My argument is that the kids only have 50 minutes for a weights class, not to mention the 7 minutes before and afterwards to change so the lifting time is only around 40 minutes. What do you guys think? If it was me I would be speed/agility in the morning and weights in the weight class. Or morning weights and agility in the class. Just be glad the BBall coach didn't trot out the "weights mess up your shot" excuse.  That's a personal favorite! |
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Post by rideanddecide on Nov 5, 2008 13:25:01 GMT -6
Some depends on where you are at.
In Wisconsin we can't make a kid do anything out of season. We can strongly encourage, but no rewards/punishments based on off season choices.
Here's what we do.
I expect our kids in a sport to be in the weight room twice a week. Why twice? Because if the BB coach was all over my kid for not lifting on a Friday morning before a FB game I'd be pissed. Since BB has 2-3 games a week twice a week sounds like a fair deal.
Plus, 40 minutes should be plenty for a kid in season. He's learning teamwork and competitiveness among other things.
Don't make the kid decide who he'd rather have pissed at him, the football coach or the bb coach. That's not fair to the kids.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 14:00:47 GMT -6
Unfortunately, our school doesn't have a weight program in the curriculu, but if we did, I'd see no need for morning weights. The agilities? Quite possibly.
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Post by texassasquatch on Nov 5, 2008 15:24:00 GMT -6
you guys got it too easy. some schools in texas, including mine, make kids lift four times a week, with four days of agilities, and the fifth day is a competition day. tire flips, king of the ring, hose wrestle. one kid twisted wrong and ripped the top of his big toe off. prettiest white color i ever saw, that toe knuckle.
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Post by phantom on Nov 5, 2008 18:09:22 GMT -6
Guys, I am setting up before school weights at 6:30 monday through thursday for the offseason. Two of the days will be speed/agility stuff, the other two will be explosive lifting stuff. Most of my kids also have a weights class in the high school taught by my DC, who will be helping me with the morning weights and we have coordinated our program so we do not overlap. Here is my problem: The basketball coach, who has been real nice and supportive of me while I've been here, has told at least one of my players who also plays basketball, not to come to morning weights. "you should only need to lift once a day" is what he told this kid. I'm at a loss as to what to do because this is a guy who I have respect for, he's an old-school type of guy who has been supportive. My argument is that the kids only have 50 minutes for a weights class, not to mention the 7 minutes before and afterwards to change so the lifting time is only around 40 minutes. What do you guys think? I believe in picking my fights carefully. The b-ball coach has been supportive. The kid's in a weights class. From what you've said you have enough problems as it is. Why find another one? |
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Post by goldenbear76 on Nov 5, 2008 18:15:48 GMT -6
I would take this approach, while a kid I coach is in another sport...I'm not going to coach him. That is that sports job. If the BBall coach wants his kids to lift only once...then thats what you gotta deal with. I however wouldn't be opposed to saying things to a Jr/Sr who's future is in football that it is detrimental to him to follow that program with his football future.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 5, 2008 20:52:34 GMT -6
40 minutes of weight training during the day will be enough, as long as the weight program is well taught and coordinated.
80-90 minutes a day of weight training with high school kids is pushing it. They don't eat right, they don't rest the way they need to; they'll have a hard time recovering.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 5, 2008 20:56:59 GMT -6
Forty minutes of strength training is fine.
In the summer we did 90 minute sessions with 45 being SAQ and 45 being strength in the wt room. For in-season athletes this winter they don't an offseason SAQ since they are in-season so they just lift for 45 minutes and go to class.
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Post by struceri on Nov 5, 2008 21:07:24 GMT -6
have a scaled down lifting program for kids in another sport. We do something similar for our to our in-season program(for our bball and track kids) where it is only 2 days a week but they use a little more weight and focus mostly on core lifts. If they are in another they probably get some type of agility work and conditioning from that.
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That's a personal favorite! 
