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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 30, 2008 19:28:07 GMT -6
We had a TD called back tonight, our last game against our rivals because we were winning 30-0. Now we are a 7th grade team that maybe throws 3 passes a game, we complete one of the only ones of the season and they called it back. We threw a 3 yard out to the TE and he went untouched for the TD. The white hat brought it back and told us to look at the scoreboard. This was our QB's first TD pass and our TE's first TD ever. I can this official say that because a team can't tackle we can't throw a simple out route? We are a Wing-t team and don't pass well at all. We run the ball a lot better than we pass it, and the officials get mad at us for throwing one pass? I wouldn't be that upset, other than these players being robbed of their TD's, if the other teams coach wouldn't have called a TO down by 50 with 3 seconds left in the game. Heck our best RB only ran on long yardage situations in the second half, and they could tackle a 5' tall RB. We only had 17 players for most of the season after injuries and what not, so we didn't have many backups. 5 linemen, 1 QB, 1 TE, 1 WB, 2 HB, 2 FB, and 5 SE. Most starters went both ways, and we had very limited options as to subs. But this TD called back thing ticked me off, at that level teams usually run better than pass, and you call a pass back? Then to have a coach call a TO with 3 seconds left in the game down by 50, our DC sent the house and we picked the ball off. The same thing happened earlier this year in another game when a coach called a TO down by 18 with 10 seconds left in the game. That kind of thing ticks me off.  |
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Post by 19delta on Oct 30, 2008 20:10:06 GMT -6
Coach -
You won by 50+ points and you are ticked off? I think there is an old saying about picking your battles...
Furthermore, how did the QB and the TE get "robbed" of the TD? The QB threw the ball and the TE caught the ball and ran with it, right? They know the TD was scored, you know it was scored, the other kids know it was scored...what difference does it make what the official says?
We are talking junior high ball here, right?
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 30, 2008 20:50:52 GMT -6
Coach,
I agree that it is NOT an officials call to help the other team feel better about themselves. He was out of line IF that is why he threw the flag.
That being said, I would have to disagree with you (politely of course) about throwing the ball with that high a margin in 7th grade football. I know it's your rival, but if you run fullback dives for 50 nobody will say anything to you.
It is an odd thing how coaches feel about things. It makes people feel like you are running the score up on them when you pass. If you run over them repeatedly, they seem to feel OK, but don't pass it.
I don't make the rules, I just have to live by them.
This year, in varsity ball we have a big edge in our conference running the football. I have slighted my QB, sorry to say because with 30+ ahead at the half, we know we won't be throwing many passes.
It's just something about throwing the ball with a huge lead, it's bad form and it makes the other team and their coaches upset.
You can argue about it, but it's like arguing why the sky is blue and the grass is green.
OJW
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 31, 2008 6:00:14 GMT -6
A three yard out is like us running sweep, only with less of a chance of scoring. The TD getting called back didn't tick me off as much as the TO with 3 seconds left down by 50.
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Post by davecisar on Oct 31, 2008 7:06:38 GMT -6
IMHO ( I coached 7-8th grade ball this year) in a game you win by 50 points you dont run your best player even in long yardage situations in the second half. Lots of other options.
In 2006 we scored 3 TDs in the first quarter of 8 games and we never went over 46 etc.
We have ASKED to be flagged when approaching 50 and in the open etc, The kids know who scored and what the deal is.
If the other side is getting creamed they need to run the clock, I aggree. But I can only control my own actions, not his. We never blitz when up by 30+.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 31, 2008 13:17:28 GMT -6
Like I said, we were kind of limited in our substitution possiblities. We only had one other kid to run HB and he was not able to stay out there the whole second half because he started on defense at corner. Trust me we ran the starter once or twice in the second half, he maybe had 15 carries the entire game. Our FB and WB scored on runs as well. It isn't like we tried to run it up, but when the other team runs three plays and punts what can you do? Our kids knew what plays were coming, the team ran the DW with only wedge, super, and counter. We called base plays, nothing fancy, dive and sweep mostly and they couldn't tackle us. We even ran our QB, possible the slowest kid on the team on keeps and he was getting 20 yards a carry. What could we have done? When you have 17 players, and only 5 backs in the wing-t, options are limited. We talked to their varsity coach after the game and apologized, and he said he knew that we didn't do it on purpose, and that he knew that it wasn't our fault that the score was like that. If we would have tried to run it up, it could have been really bad. I have been on the other side of scores like that as a player, and I know I learned a lot and that the coaches made sure that we knew that it was our job to stop the other team. But what could we do, tell our backs to fall down when nobody tackled them? They would have never went for that, not with the team being 8 miles apart, and many of them having friends and family on the other side.
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 31, 2008 13:36:12 GMT -6
I read you had little sub options, and understand what that's like. Disagree with throwing the ball regardless of the down and distance when up by that much...you run 3 up the gut, mill around as much as possible between plays and run the clock in my opinion.
That said, officials should never be sitting in judgement of one coaches or the other's running up the score. That's not their job.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 31, 2008 15:28:13 GMT -6
We played 8 minute quarters with a running clock, and took time between plays. Our players were just that much better than theirs. I statrting HB had close to 150 yards on 10-15 carries. I mean everyone knew that it would be ugly before the game because of the first matchup.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 31, 2008 15:35:12 GMT -6
Why did the other coach take the late TO?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2008 17:00:11 GMT -6
Just a slightly different perspective here...
Usually, at those levels, blowouts are because of a difference in the PHYSICAL STATURE of kids. Big leads come from Bigger, stronger, faster kids pushing other kids around, and outrunning the opponent. Isn't it MORE sporting to throw the ball in these situations??/
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 1, 2008 11:25:14 GMT -6
Why did the other coach take the late TO? I don't know, they tried to throw a pass which we intercepted and almost returned. I would have just let the clock run out. We thought that he would, and was calling the defense off the field to line up to shake hands. When he called the TO, we were all puzzled as to why. |
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 1, 2008 11:27:13 GMT -6
Just a slightly different perspective here... Usually, at those levels, blowouts are because of a difference in the PHYSICAL STATURE of kids. Big leads come from Bigger, stronger, faster kids pushing other kids around, and outrunning the opponent. Isn't it MORE sporting to throw the ball in these situations??/ I thought the same thing. Our starting HB is about 5'10" and 150 pounds, and runs like a deer. Calling a pass was trying to keep him from running for another TD, because the other HB was to tired to go in at that point. |
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Post by airman on Nov 1, 2008 13:40:14 GMT -6
i have no problemw with you passing the ball when you are up. there is no rule which say thou shall not pass the ball when up by 50 million in the second half.. There are no unwritten rules as people like to lay claim to.
now I do have a problem with an offical trying to control the game like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 14:41:23 GMT -6
I have no problem with the opposing coach taking that TO either. Nothing is more demoralzing IMO than being shutout, so I have no problem with a team playing and trying to score all the way until the end.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2008 18:32:54 GMT -6
I have no problem with the opposing coach taking that TO either. Nothing is more demoralzing IMO than being shutout, so I have no problem with a team playing and trying to score all the way until the end. Both teams??? or just the team behind? Because i DO have a problem with it IF (big if) the coach calling the T.O. is ALSO asking for a running clock, or complaining about the opponents running up the score. Regardless..I absolutely think any official interjecting his/her own "sports ethics" into a game is 100% unprofessional. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 19:19:30 GMT -6
Totally agree with your point on the official. In my brief experience, the losing team doesn't really want or ask for the running clock, it's part of the rules in IL. I have no problem with the losing team taking TOs to try and punch one in at the end of the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2008 19:23:54 GMT -6
Totally agree with your point on the official. In my brief experience, the losing team doesn't really want or ask for the running clock, it's part of the rules in IL. I have no problem with the losing team taking TOs to try and punch one in at the end of the game. Would you have a problem with the winning team doing the same? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 19:35:13 GMT -6
The winning team yes, because in their case they've proved their dominance and it would be running up the score. I'm not saying they shouldn't be trying to score with their playcalling, just that calling timeouts to set up the score would be overkill IMO. In the losing teams case, they're simply trying to put something on the board to help morale.
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