33er
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Post by 33er on Oct 25, 2008 16:02:57 GMT -6
I am like many of you coaching football along with having a young family, I have three young kids and have been really thinking about the amount of time I miss with them. I have been coaching a long time and figure it might be time to take a break to see them more because I do not want to regret that I didn't years later. I have tried to do it all but there is not enough hours in the day and I am spent? Anyone else been down this road or decision?
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 25, 2008 20:34:42 GMT -6
Well.. I don't have young kids but I did take a year off from coaching a while back. Did two things for me.. #1 I got to do a bunch of fall stuff I've always wanted to do. I went to an ACC football game. visited friends etc.. #2 realized i missed the game and gave me a new sense of energy and passion for it. I'm glad I did it and possibly might do it again sometime. if you are a good coach, you will not have a problem hooking up unless you are at the college level
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dcoach84
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Post by dcoach84 on Oct 25, 2008 22:09:37 GMT -6
I feel the same way. I love coaching football but feel that there is just not enough time in the day. I would agree that taking a year off may help you realize that you either "need" to coach or that you can live without coaching at this point in your life. I am a young coach but I realize the sacrifices that must be made. I have went back and forth trying to determine if I can live without coaching.
I remember reading in a book recently where a coach says that if you can live without coaching, don't coach. I would assume he was making reference to the time and energy involved...and the sacrifices that one must make and how it affects your family. I guess what I am saying is that I have had similar thoughts.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 26, 2008 4:57:02 GMT -6
I'm going to throw a little spin on this. My son is now 11 years old and he is my right hand man when it comes to football. He has been coming to most football practices since he was in 8 and has been on our sidelines as a waterboy, ball boy since he was 9. I think of all the time he and I spend together and its awesome. He loves being around the team and spending time in the lockerroom with the players, coaches office with the coaches, etc.... I know if I asked my son if he would have wanted me to quit coaching and go home and spend time with him or spend time with me coaching, he would choose spend time with me coaching.
Even my 13 yr old daughter has been to practices with me after school and comes down every Friday night after the game and helps get the sidelines picked up and gear loaded on the truck.
Football is a part of our family and try to keep them all involved as much as they want to be.
I thank my family every year for allowing me to spend time with other kids in our community.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 6:21:30 GMT -6
yep...always family first
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Post by schultbear74 on Oct 26, 2008 9:15:25 GMT -6
my experience was the same as coach bjd. My daughter and my sons spent their summers hanging out in the weight room and on the fields. It was a special time for me. When I was in high school, my coaches had their kids all over the place before during and after the season and they had good football wives. I wanted the same. I got it. My kids spent a lot of time with me. My wife is a professional and had to get two masters degrees as the kids were growing up. We are still married and I missed very little- time flies when you are having fun. I'm still having fun 29 years-so far, so good.
In the end- Faith, family and football. I could always walk away from football if I had to- didn't have to.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 26, 2008 9:38:00 GMT -6
If there is something you would rather do, go do it. Family definitely comes first, but that doesn't mean you should have to give them up to coach. I try to spend quality minutes with my kids when I am at home. (They are watching TV right now). But in about an hour when everyone is up and moving around, we will go do something fun.
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Post by coachnorm on Oct 26, 2008 12:46:07 GMT -6
Let me throw something in as not only a coach, but also the child of a coach. Coach JD is exactly right, I grew up in the gym, on the field, in the locker room, in coaches meetings, etc... with my dad. So to a slightly lesser extent did my three sisters. you don't necessarily have to sacrifice time with your kids to be a coach if you're in the right situation.
I wouldn't trade the time I spent with my dad for anything and much of it was spent in coaching. I eventually grew up to coach with my dad and even against him and that was a great experience too.
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eric58
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Post by eric58 on Oct 26, 2008 14:50:10 GMT -6
I was also thinking of taking next year off. I'm the OC for the varsity but I have a baby coming in April. I need to go get my teaching credential which will take about a year. I don't know if I will be able to work, go to school, and put the time in as OC. My other dilema is one of my younger brothers will be playing varsity next year at another school. I was only able to see him play his freshmen year. My other little brother is wrestling in jr. high and I will not be able to go to any of his matches because the season is very short and it ends on our last week of football. To me I will not get these years back with them. Both of them have been to practices and games when they were little and I feel I should do the same for them.
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Post by dsqa on Oct 26, 2008 17:44:14 GMT -6
I have raised 5 kids as a coach, athletic director, and developing a camp business throughout. I respect the very difficult decision you are facing, I can't tell you many times I wanted to spend more time with my family, feeling like my job had "stolen" it from me. I guess the only thought I would offer is to talk through it with your family, they usually have a lot of wisdom to offer. I was always amazed at how much they believed in me and what I was trying to do. They wouldn't let me stop. Now that was me, but for what its worth, it was always helpful.
Just my two cents.
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Post by touchdowng on Oct 26, 2008 18:19:09 GMT -6
I've coached through the raising of my kids. They are now 18, 15 and 14. As they are now towards the end of their time with my wife and I, coaching is actually becoming harder for me than when they were just toddlers.
I know that they will be "on their own" soon and our family structure as I've known it will change soon. I never felt like I was running out of time with my kids because of FB as I've always done plenty with them in the winter/spring/summer but now that they are on the twilight of their time with us my mindset is changing.
My youngest son will end up playing FB at a school that I don't coach at. No way I will miss his Friday night games (whether he starts or rides the pine). His sister will be playing soccer during the fall in the evenings. The decision is a very easy one for me.
FB will always be there but some of those special times supporting your kids won't be.
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Shotgun1
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Post by Shotgun1 on Oct 26, 2008 20:55:32 GMT -6
I have always coached but my family comes first. When I was younger I coached at the Varsity level for 6 years. After the 2nd child and more responsibilies piled up like earning a master's degree I moved back to be the HC of the middle school football program. Better hours and still teaching the basic fundamentals of the game along with competition. Now my middle son is 9 years old and I also coach his youth club team. The varsity game is still there and will be there when the time comes to step back in the game.
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 27, 2008 8:34:08 GMT -6
I'd like to add a twist to this discussion if possible. I was pretty sure I was going to hang it up after this season. I have a 2.5 year old and a 5 month old at home. I'd get home after practice and the look on my wife's face was enough for me to say, "this is it.". Even on weekends I was unable to fully be there because while I was playing with my daughter, my brain was wondering if our RT can control the 4 technique by himself.
Now that it's time to pull the trigger on my resignation I've decided to look further into, "how do you make it work?"
I know with older kids they can come to practice and stuff and that is fun. But how do you structure your week so you can watch your babies grow up?
I know it's only 10 weeks out of the year, but those 10 weeks can put enough strain on an otherwise healthy household that I'm wondering if it's worth it.
Any ideas are much appreciated.
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Post by splitricky5 on Oct 27, 2008 9:11:58 GMT -6
I give them baths when I get home. I hold my 18 month old until she goes to sleep. They come to the games. When I watch NFL games on sundays, my girls sit on my lap while we watch. Being a dad and a coach at the same time is not a problem. Just make sure you are a good dad when you're there.
It's always going to be rough, but deal with it. If you don't make it a huge deal, the kids will be able to handle it. There are a lot of parents who have to hold down two or three jobs and the kids have to raise themselves. We all have (I'm assuming) decent jobs here. I know that my kids don't want for anything and I also know that I love them. That's all they need.
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Post by fatkicker on Oct 27, 2008 9:47:15 GMT -6
don't forget to mention the wives.....
before we had children i moved my wife 9 times in 11 years.....always chasing the better job....money, status, higher classification, whatever....
i've made many decisions where football was the sole reason for the decision.....
i certainly won't make those mistakes again.......of course it has nothing to do with my wife saying...."if you move to take another job, you'll be living by yourself" haha...as tempting as it sounds....haha
it's amazing how your priorities change in time.......
if my header told me today i wasn't needed on the staff, i would probably shrug it off and go find a pee wee team to coach........8 years ago i would have got pi$$ed off and moved to another job.....
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 27, 2008 9:50:11 GMT -6
My dad was never around when I was young. Heck, it wasn't until I made varsity and got to start in the 10th grade was he able to schedule his work to be home on Friday night. He might have seen me play a half dozen youth league games and I played 1st grade-8th grade.
I can remember him getting home at 2-3 o'clock in the morning and coming into my room to rub his 'chin whiskers' on me just to see me awake for a while. What he did do for me was show me that no matter what is going on, you get up, go to work, bust your tail, and provide for your family. Heck even when he was at home, I never saw him sit around and play Monopoly or anything with me. We had a farm and he was out on the back 40 chopping wood or digging post holes. I was out there with him as I got older.
To each his own, but I got more out of the time learning how to twist wire in a fence and weld a strong bead than playing catch. Yeah me and dad did throw the ball around, but he spent his time showing me how to be man.
My spin on the whole 'quality time' issue is that it is just a lot of BS to make you feel guilty. If you don't feel guilty then you have no reason to tune into Oprah or Dr Phil so they can tell you how to make it all better.
Me and my boy (5) and my girl (8) get to wrestle when I come home after practice, read books in bed, go get hot dogs when mom is out shopping (mom hates them), and I drag them out into the yard to pick up sticks, hand me tools while I work on the mower, hold the hose while I clean the gutters, etc....
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Post by bulldogoption on Oct 27, 2008 10:35:45 GMT -6
I struggle with my little kids. I have three, (5, 2, 10 mo). They can't feed, clothe, bathe, or watch themselves. Like Bear said, when you come home and your wife has had to care for three little ones for a 12 hr day it really puts things into perspective. Its not as much an issue of whether I got to spend time with them, its a matter of survival (and a little priorities). I agree with DC on the matter of "quality" time. I feel like I could make it work and get quality time if they were just a bit older. If my kids were older, they would come with me to practice. But because they are so little (helpless), its getting harder and harder to justify spending time away. I started as a HC with one kid as a 1 year old. It was pretty easy to do whatever I wanted then. Now I have three... ;D ...and I simply don't have the luxury of going anywhere whenever I choose. It may be time to coach at a younger level or as an asst, so that I have more time to help in the house until they are older. Anyone else have experience going thru this will little ones?
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 27, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -6
Or....
You're son won't sleep and is up every hour. Your wife is mentally fried and can't understand why you're never home just to bring in a $2500 paycheck.
Priorities once kids can take care of themselves, survival of the family and relationship when they are babies.
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Post by PSS on Oct 27, 2008 12:25:30 GMT -6
I have to agree that this is tougher on the wife than the kids.
However, a great support group of coaches wives can go a long way in helping out. I have been fortunate to coach with several different great staffs in which our families were very close.
When someone needed a babysitter, extra help around the house, or moral support, the coaches' wives would step up and help each other out. This didn't just occur during football season either. Because we coach multiple sports they were always there to help each other.
My wife and I have lots of great friends (fellow coaches and wives) that we have been associated with scattered throughout the state of Texas. There are lots of memories of our kids, their kids, and our teams that we share.
I wouldn't trade what I do for anything in this world.
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Post by gacoach on Oct 27, 2008 12:53:30 GMT -6
I've got 4 children, and football is a big part of our lives. My daughter, 11, comes to practice everyday to do water. My three sons all play something, and they all come to the games on Friday. My wife, she's the perfect coaches wife. She swam in high school and her father was the team doctor for TC Williams high school back in the 70's. Yes, that TC Williams...."Remember the Titans". She was on the sidelines back then with her father so high school football has been a bigger part of her life than mine.
My sons, 12, 7 and 5 would be very upset if I quit coaching football. They love being around the team and most of the coaches have kids so it's like one big "family".
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 27, 2008 13:10:31 GMT -6
I'm a father to 4 very loving children and a fabulous wife. We married while in college. Had our first child in Nov. of my first year of coaching football and continued from there. All our children are now grown and 30(boy), 31(girl), 36(boy), and 39(girl) years old. They all them helped with our football program whether it was waterboy, watergirl, statistician, entering data in the computer, helping with the laundry, playing for me, watching film, etc. We spent a lot of time together. I have coached for 38 years, now retired, but have a great relationship with my children as they grew up.
It was a BIG strain on my wife. I know that she kept some things that occurred with the children during the season from me. Not many have a wife that will do that kind of thing. I can't say enough about the LOVE that I have for her. She never once complained. I even got her involved with keeping stats several times.
If you truly will miss the game you can still have a very healthy relationship with your family and be a very effective coach. You just have to do a great job with time management and setting your priorities properly.
I had one son go on and play D-II football. We only missed 8 games in his career and they were to far to travel and come home after the game or early the next morning to hold staff meetings. If I hadn't been coaching we probably would have made it to those 8 games but missing 8 out of 88 games is not a bad percentage.
Set down and discuss the situation you are in with your wife and family and then make your decision.
This worked for me and my family.
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Post by btincup on Oct 28, 2008 13:02:27 GMT -6
Family First !
Get them involved. My wife and daughter help me put the program together every year. My son plays.
In fact, it's great being at a bar or friends watching football and hear my daughter and my wife discussing coverage. I should snap some photos of my buddies faces when they get trounced on football knowledge.
I didn't coach one year and they all were ready to kill me. I'm not good during football season if I'm not coaching. It becomes a part of you and your families life. Man I'm on a sensitivity roll today I better stop posting. It must have been the Jerry McGuire video we watched last night that's doing it.
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Post by dubber on Oct 28, 2008 13:47:51 GMT -6
As a young buck with a 5-month old marriage, I loved reading these posts. Very helpful for me.
My wife gripes about how long it has been since we went on a date (I asked if she counted our honeymoon).
Anyway, what is great for us will be my work. I am self-employed, and I control when I work. During football, I plan on scaling the business back.
She's supportive, and a lot hotter than me, so we will find a way to work it out.
I'm a rookie in the marriage game, but there seems to be little chocolate cannot fix.
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Post by coachmathis on Oct 28, 2008 15:15:58 GMT -6
I am a young father and a young coach. I happen to be in a situation where I coach where I went to high school so everyone is more than happy to see my children. My wife coachs as well so she understands but the biggest difference is I don't spend much time after practice doing anything related to football. We are done by six everyday with practice and we dont meet on weekends at all. If I scout I take my boys( 3 months and 22 months). My oldest son already knows how to say that mama and daddy coach. At the end of the day though I suspect Ill be a basketball coach with both of my two boys running behind me every step of the way as they get older. I am at a small private school so I dont put in nearly that time that most public school coaches do.
I think the biggest thing is effort and committment. If you put in the effort and are committed to being a family man,then you will be able to do both.
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 29, 2008 6:18:23 GMT -6
How does this all change based on practice times or weekend meetings?
For example, we cannot start practice until 4:00, so we don't get home until around 7:00. That means I see my kids for a bath and a story and eat dinner after 8.
Other programs have athletice period or are able to start practice around 3. What time do you get home?
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splitbacks
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Post by splitbacks on Oct 29, 2008 7:33:30 GMT -6
Don't lose your home support, I have 3 kids also and being an OC is tough because I watch a lot of film at home. I was down this road a while back. I decided to volunteer part time at Allegheny College and for a few years, I got to sit back, learn and still coach. I did not go to a game, and only went to practice Monday through Thursday. I staid in touch with the game, and now I have a nice piece to put on my resume if I ever decide to ascend to an HC position. It really was a win win for me.
Don't sacrifice your family to the football gods. Because when the cheering stops and the lights on the field are out, you need positive people to go home to
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Post by phantom on Oct 29, 2008 7:49:06 GMT -6
Football, family, social life, and hobbies. I firmly believe that you can do any two out of the four. You can't do three. If you want to do your job, have family time, and golf on Sunday it won't work. Want to take care of the wife and kids, develop a game plan, and watch the Packers? Sorry.
This job involves sacrifice. We ask the kids to do it. Why shouldn't we?
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Post by ystick2 on Oct 29, 2008 8:23:33 GMT -6
After 19 years, I finally hung up my whistle this season. It has not been easy. We adopted three little girls over the course of four years - now aged 5, 2, and almost 2. I stepped down from being a HC to becoming a minimally paid varsity assistant in order to dedicate more time to family. This is the first year I have not stepped on the field, and it has been frustrating to say the least. Keeping busy with other endeavors helped for most of the season, but now playoffs are here it is something else.
Including family in the "process" of coaching is a must in most situations. It gives one that added time together in whatever capacity it may be. Rather than just showing up at home late and having a worn-out (rightfully so) spouse meet you at the door, having her and children involved definitely lessens the stress level. Although my girls are too young to be at practice, I intend to get involved again when age isn't so much a factor. And, hopefully we can do this as a "family" - that thing we preach to our athletes.
For me, family comes first (not without a struggle I must admit), but I do believe one can have both as long as "priority" is given to managing the entire "process" of coaching. I think it has to be a realization that both family and profession require a unique sacrifice in order to succeed.
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Post by bulldogoption on Oct 29, 2008 9:03:55 GMT -6
Football, family, social life, and hobbies. I firmly believe that you can do any two out of the four. You can't do three. If you want to do your job, have family time, and golf on Sunday it won't work. Want to take care of the wife and kids, develop a game plan, and watch the Packers? Sorry. I think this is a very wise statement. I would agree with this based on my experience(s) trying to do all four our even 3 of the four. I suppose there comes a time when you realilze this and have to go one direction or the other. You get tired of being mediocre at all four and have to choose which of the four are important....... Seems like I'm at that fork now. Thank you, phantom, for posting that.
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 29, 2008 12:59:33 GMT -6
Football, family, social life, and hobbies. I firmly believe that you can do any two out of the four. You can't do three. If you want to do your job, have family time, and golf on Sunday it won't work. Want to take care of the wife and kids, develop a game plan, and watch the Packers? Sorry. I think this is a very wise statement. I would agree with this based on my experience(s) trying to do all four our even 3 of the four. I suppose there comes a time when you realilze this and have to go one direction or the other. You get tired of being mediocre at all four and have to choose which of the four are important....... Seems like I'm at that fork now. Thank you, phantom, for posting that. And TEACHING wasn't even included in that list!
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