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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 15, 2008 10:52:01 GMT -6
Lineman just lazy and want come off the ball.
Im the OC,my O-Line is adequate, Does 2 much hollering than coaching to me. I think they may have tuned him out.
We throw it fairly decent,but you cant ask a HS Qb to drop back so many times.
We run spread,but Ive been resorting to more I-formation to get the guys coming off the ball.
Any help would be greatly appreaciated:
Good at : Speed Option
Bad At: Power,No Surge,no duece on the edge
Avg: Iso,we get a crease eveny "blue moon",Trap,some times it hits other times he get hhit in the backfield
We run:
Iso Power Speed Option Wrap Trap Draw
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Post by coachorr on Oct 15, 2008 10:55:12 GMT -6
We have no oline and Jet Sweep has been good for us.
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Post by ystick2 on Oct 15, 2008 10:59:12 GMT -6
Have your OL coach look at his progression drills. Redefine what is acceptable and what is not. Name your drills according to "play." For instance, as part of your OL breakdown - have "power drill" named and scheduled - then redefine and drill. Stay strict on your "period" time for drills. 5 min, 10 min - whatever, but keep position coaches responsible for getting specifics done. (may cut down on the hollering etc..)
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 15, 2008 11:04:58 GMT -6
Coach cut your plays in 1/2. we are pretty good at running the ball. we run power, zone and counter which is almost the exact same thing as power That's it (I swear) We do it out of alot of formations and backfield actions Oh I forgot we practice speed but have only called 2x in 6 games
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Post by dubber on Oct 15, 2008 11:24:11 GMT -6
Run more draws and screens with a passive OL......are they good pass blockers?
Simplfy the dang thing.
You are good at speed option, now get REALLY good at ISO before moving on......rep the crap outta it.
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Post by phantom on Oct 15, 2008 18:54:28 GMT -6
Lineman just lazy and want come off the ball. Im the OC,my O-Line is adequate, Does 2 much hollering than coaching to me. I think they may have tuned him out. We throw it fairly decent,but you cant ask a HS Qb to drop back so many times. We run spread,but Ive been resorting to more I-formation to get the guys coming off the ball. Any help would be greatly appreaciated: Good at : Speed Option Bad At: Power,No Surge,no duece on the edge Avg: Iso,we get a crease eveny "blue moon",Trap,some times it hits other times he get hhit in the backfield We run: Iso Power Speed Option Wrap Trap Draw How much fundamentals time do the OL get? What do they do during that period?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 19:54:49 GMT -6
I know the feeling, coach going through the same thing myself
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 15, 2008 20:06:49 GMT -6
Run more draws and screens with a passive OL......are they good pass blockers? Simplfy the dang thing. they 2 lazy to show pass on screens and draws..lol We rep it to death,we spend a ton of time on inside run. We get simple...usually just iso and power during the games We have no oline and Jet Sweep has been good for us. we run it pretty good,whats some good playactions off of it?
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Post by wcoasto on Oct 15, 2008 20:18:00 GMT -6
i have the same problem out of the spread...no run game at all because the line are too lazy to double to backer on the zone read or they would block the read man and mess it up because to lazy to learn. I finally just put in the spin series as my run game...have spin sweep, spin blast, spin reverse, spin counter, and spin direct snap to RB. Now atleast I can get positive yardage running but before that running the zone read and a run game was out of the question..
good luck
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Post by phantom on Oct 15, 2008 20:45:10 GMT -6
I don't buy this "too lazy" stuff. I believe that OL is the position where coaching matters the most. Somebody smarter than me said on here that you're either coaching it or allowing it.
I reiterate the questions: how much time is being allotted for fundamentals and how is it being used?
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Post by 300football on Oct 15, 2008 22:15:23 GMT -6
Phantom you took the words out of my mouth. Never too lazy. You dont have to yell and scream to coach laziness. My O line coach (now my collegue) used to make us do more contact drills when we got lazy...Instead of punishing with running, we actually did functional drills to get motivation up. ie combo drills live, one on ones.
Are your linemen in two or three point stances while in the spread?
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Post by phantom on Oct 15, 2008 22:26:53 GMT -6
Too often OL coaches yell instead of coaching. I did when I was younger and didn't know any better. Coming off the ball isn't simply a matter of "wanting to" or "being tougher". There are things like footwork, aiming points, and finishing. Completely understanding the scheme helps, too.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 15, 2008 23:21:32 GMT -6
First step.... CHOP CHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by raiderpirates on Oct 15, 2008 23:28:20 GMT -6
Oklahomas for intensity and drive blocking.
If you do more push blocking, hands, high hat stuff, work over other items.
Stance and spacing are the same every time?
If that is squared away, start drilling the hell out of cadence. If you can get the count to neutralize the other team and make your guys work as a unit instead of indivuduals, rep it up!
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Post by coachorr on Oct 16, 2008 0:17:14 GMT -6
Stance, Step, Landmark, Drive, Hips, finish with feet and hands.
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Post by carson101 on Oct 16, 2008 2:30:09 GMT -6
Sled work is always a start get punch then work on drive.After that starting o line against the bags/bodies run every play you are planning for that weeks practice,till you get what you need.If they are still lazy give'm up downs when your ticked at them,water breaks when they all go hard, try to instill positive things always as they are working help those that struggle. But back to the sled attack with punch,fast wide base footwork is what we do and we do this everyday,and everyday we get better and if someone messes up,make them do until it is right keeping in mind two things it has to be a team effort,and it has to be a commitment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 4:44:48 GMT -6
you know its bad when other coaches in the league want to nominate your QB for all league due to how tough he is. one coach posted on the league website, "I've never seen a kid take a beating like that and keep getting up, it's un-natural, i think his team doesnt like him"
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Post by splitbacks on Oct 16, 2008 4:55:53 GMT -6
Try running wedge option. I know it sounds silly, but we live by it here at Franklin High School. Everyone wedges on the DT. We call it a no think play, and I don't care how big, strong, or fast an olineman is or isn't. 3 on 1 or when we go unbalanced, 4 on 1 is a pretty good advantage
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 16, 2008 5:25:41 GMT -6
I don't buy this "too lazy" stuff. I believe that OL is the position where coaching matters the most. Somebody smarter than me said on here that you're either coaching it or allowing it. I reiterate the questions: how much time is being allotted for fundamentals and how is it being used? Fat boys are lazy,and you cant tell me any different. Ive seen it my entire life,on all levels of football. They get the entire first part of practice during special team periods. Usually at least 30 min. Then we break and out first reg period is individual time for offense.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 16, 2008 5:26:35 GMT -6
Phantom you took the words out of my mouth. Never too lazy. You dont have to yell and scream to coach laziness. My O line coach (now my collegue) used to make us do more contact drills when we got lazy...Instead of punishing with running, we actually did functional drills to get motivation up. ie combo drills live, one on ones. Are your linemen in two or three point stances while in the spread? At first the tackles were n 2 point,but they didnt come off. SO we put them in 3 point stance.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 16, 2008 5:30:28 GMT -6
Too often OL coaches yell instead of coaching. I did when I was younger and didn't know any better. Coming off the ball isn't simply a matter of "wanting to" or "being tougher". There are things like footwork, aiming points, and finishing. Completely understanding the scheme helps, too. I think that may be a problem also. He yells to much . Im more on coaching and less yelling
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 16, 2008 5:49:37 GMT -6
this HAS to be at the youth level correct? Otherwise, if your answer to the questions keeps being "they are too lazy" I strongly suggest you turn in your resignation tomorrow, if not sooner.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 16, 2008 6:34:57 GMT -6
I strongly suggest you turn in your resignation tomorrow, if not sooner. Is it really that serious? At the end of the day...HS football After reading your various post in diff threads...you know everything about every subject. Guess your headed for victory 300 in your coaching career this year....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 7:10:34 GMT -6
I can totally understand. We have been a wing T team the last 3 years, HC leaves and the new HC will not, REFUSES to let me keep the wing T. Now wing T guys know that when you have an ol that is not very good, or in our case guys who have never played line(we grad all 5 starters and 2 backups from last 3 years). He wants to run the I. So we do, its not good though. 1 game we have 310 yds rushing and havent won a game since, 1-5. 850 yds total this season and 56 freakin points. I like the jet sweep idea, 1 of the best plays in football for an oline that is not good. only have to block 3-4 guys playside.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 16, 2008 7:30:29 GMT -6
I strongly suggest you turn in your resignation tomorrow, if not sooner. Is it really that serious? At the end of the day...HS football After reading your various post in diff threads...you know everything about every subject. Guess your headed for victory 300 in your coaching career this year.... I have often thought the same thing. Every forum has a guy to who has all of the answers and is full of criticism. lazy- lack of motivation. Find ways to motivate your players.
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Post by phantom on Oct 16, 2008 8:11:54 GMT -6
I don't buy this "too lazy" stuff. I believe that OL is the position where coaching matters the most. Somebody smarter than me said on here that you're either coaching it or allowing it. I reiterate the questions: how much time is being allotted for fundamentals and how is it being used? Fat boys are lazy,and you cant tell me any different. Ive seen it my entire life,on all levels of football. Our linemen are the hardest working guys on our team.
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Post by coachbb on Oct 16, 2008 8:45:12 GMT -6
Do you grade your lineman? Giving them a grade and up-downing their butts if they fail will get those standards up.
Make them block until the whistle every play. If they don't, up-down the whole group.
There is one thing most OL absolutely dread, and that is extra conditioning.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 16, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -6
Coach Green, your line isn't very good, because you don't have any respect for them. The comment about fat guys, just shows how you really feel. You can't disguise these sentiments to the kids.
"Fat boys are lazy,and you cant tell me any different. Ive seen it my entire life,on all levels of football. They get the entire first part of practice during special team periods. Usually at least 30 min. Then we break and out first reg period is individual time for offense. "
Why not have your oline coach work with these guys during the first thirty minutes of practice?
One more question, How many linemen are captains?
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Post by juice10 on Oct 16, 2008 9:17:17 GMT -6
I don't know if this will come across as a solution, but we had the same thing last year with our O-Line. Good kids, pretty smart, but didn't come out and hit. We looked at this really hard coming into this season and we tried to establish a concrete blocking rules for each play. Last year during individual, we repped stance, first step, second step, chutes, sleds. Spent alot of time on one on ones, two on two's etc. Seemed like they were hesitant because they didn't really know what to do.
Therefore, this brings me to my point of this year. We set rules for each player on each play. Our line does flip flop, but it allows us to keep the same rules for each play whether it is run to the left or the right. We have had much better success because I think our kids now understand fully where they belong. More confident in what they are doing and what they are suppose to do.
Again, don't know much about your program and what you run, but this helped us with our ability to run block more efficienty.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 16, 2008 9:26:34 GMT -6
Gentlemen, none of you have lazy overweight linemen? Our better linemen are the undersized, big heart kids typically. Every year we seem to talk the talk about lighting the fire inside such and such 290 pound "could be great" player. Once in a while we find a kid like that who is actually great. More often its the 185 pound guard that is the rock on the oline.
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