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Post by coachcb on Oct 18, 2008 10:49:45 GMT -6
I wonder if those of you insulting the kid actually played the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 18, 2008 17:35:22 GMT -6
I think many here are really losing sight of the true situation. It wasn't that this man (he is 21) was given the choice between giving up a fully functioning finger, or losing his football season. He was told he would have problems with the finger later in life. He was told it would be painful. One of the coaches on his college team is pinkieless (lost it in shop class as a senior). The man is training to be an adaptive PE teacher...
I don't see this as an issue.
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Post by coachmathis on Oct 21, 2008 14:43:34 GMT -6
1.Coachcb- I've played the game before and I played it very well but I just don't understand the thought process to amputate any limb whatsoever to continue playing football or any sport for that matter.
2.Coachd5085- I'm not trying to be funny at all, but where did you see that he was told all of that information by medical people? In the story I read, he doesn't mention any of that. The way the story from ESPNU sounds,he just decided that football was worth giving up a portion of his pinkie for.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2008 17:04:04 GMT -6
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Post by eickst on Oct 21, 2008 17:41:18 GMT -6
Well that article doesn't exactly explain that he will have pain or anything. They said he would have problems? What kind of problems? Like arthritis when he's 80? Or the thing will grow a mind of it's own and randomly flick his junk when his hand is in his pocket?
Still seems silly. Put pins in it, cast it up, play with a club on your arm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 22:48:36 GMT -6
I wonder if those of you insulting the kid actually played the game. yep, 12 years worth, played in all star games, played with quite a few players in the NFL too ..not including coaching it for 10. Still think it's silly I 'm actually suprised his coach let him take it that far |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 22:55:58 GMT -6
I think many here are really losing sight of the true situation. It wasn't that this man (he is 21) was given the choice between giving up a fully functioning finger, or losing his football season. He was told he would have problems with the finger later in life. He was told it would be painful. One of the coaches on his college team is pinkieless (lost it in shop class as a senior). The man is training to be an adaptive PE teacher... I don't see this as an issue. Correct...WHEN you put it that way, if the issue here is medical IE problems later in life, possibly infection or complications of ..then Ok maybe you consider the alternative to reducing the injury with pins etc..., but if it's so he can get back on the field as the story portrays it, for a few more games..The kid needs to get his head checked. And amputation comes with risks itself. |
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Post by los on Oct 21, 2008 23:13:41 GMT -6
I don't think his coach had any input......the guy made his own decision.....actually, against the doctors initial advice, sounds like......but heck.....such is life huh?.....you weigh the consequences.....make your own decision.....then "live with it"......or in this case...."without it".
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Post by k on Oct 22, 2008 9:32:19 GMT -6
I'm actually pretty shocked that 100% of the people in this thread wouldn't trade their pinkie from the last knuckle up for 5 more games or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2008 10:35:50 GMT -6
I'm actually pretty shocked that 100% of the people in this thread wouldn't trade their pinkie from the last knuckle up for 5 more games or whatever. Thankfully so |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 23, 2008 7:16:56 GMT -6
1.Coachcb- I've played the game before and I played it very well but I just don't understand the thought process to amputate any limb whatsoever to continue playing football or any sport for that matter. 2.Coachd5085- I'm not trying to be funny at all, but where did you see that he was told all of that information by medical people? In the story I read, he doesn't mention any of that. The way the story from ESPNU sounds,he just decided that football was worth giving up a portion of his pinkie for. It's half of his pinkie finger; not exactly the definition of a "limb". OH NO; he may have to adjust his typing skills!!! GOOD LORD; using chopsticks may be a little different!!! |
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Post by johnnyi723 on Oct 24, 2008 8:51:20 GMT -6
We had a player on our team lose 1/2 of his pinkie in practice. We were doing a 1 on 1 tackling drill and it got caught up on the other players facemask and about 1/2 of his pinkie snapped off. The craziest thing I have ever seen in 10 years of coaching. The kid came up and said coach I am bleeding and our assitant coach was in total disbelief  and sprinted for the trainer. The player was a calm as could be as he walked to the trainer. The other players stopped their drill and were looking on the ground for the 1/2 of his pinkie. One kid found it and put it in a cone and carried it up to the trainer. To make a long story short they rushed him and the pinkie to the hospital and unfortunately they were unable to reattach. Kid has yet to return to action and its been 6 weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2008 20:07:36 GMT -6
Ok let's put it in perspective then...we're talking about removing a finger (still a limb) to play a sport, for a few more weeks. That's insane
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Post by phantom on Oct 24, 2008 20:52:15 GMT -6
Ok let's put it in perspective then...we're talking about removing a finger (still a limb) to play a sport, for a few more weeks. That's insane Why? What's so special about a pinkie? How does losing one handicap him? I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't recommend it but if that's what the kid wanted to do then I can understand. |
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Post by towtheline on Oct 24, 2008 22:41:14 GMT -6
I think we are all losing sight of things...
this guy is a total badass, and in the end is that not all that matters?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 5:06:45 GMT -6
I think we are all losing sight of things... this guy is a total badass, and in the end is that not all that matters? I agree with that, no one will ever call that kid a b!tch. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 5:12:28 GMT -6
Ok let's put it in perspective then...we're talking about removing a finger (still a limb) to play a sport, for a few more weeks. That's insane Why? What's so special about a pinkie? How does losing one handicap him? I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't recommend it but if that's what the kid wanted to do then I can understand. maybe it would make sense if he was headed to the pro's, or if the risk of infection and or complication were so great it outweighed the reward. Now I loved the game as much as anyone, but sacrificing even a finger to the sport for just a few more weeks doesn't seem sane, at least to me |
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Post by phantom on Oct 25, 2008 8:38:19 GMT -6
Why? What's so special about a pinkie? How does losing one handicap him? I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't recommend it but if that's what the kid wanted to do then I can understand. maybe it would make sense if he was headed to the pro's, or if the risk of infection and or complication were so great it outweighed the reward. Now I loved the game as much as anyone, but sacrificing even a finger to the sport for just a few more weeks doesn't seem sane, at least to me Oh, well. Potato, po-tah-to. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 25, 2008 9:08:09 GMT -6
Why? What's so special about a pinkie? How does losing one handicap him? I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't recommend it but if that's what the kid wanted to do then I can understand. maybe it would make sense if he was headed to the pro's, or if the risk of infection and or complication were so great it outweighed the reward. Now I loved the game as much as anyone, but sacrificing even a finger to the sport for just a few more weeks doesn't seem sane, at least to me True, but those like yourself that keep looking at this situation in disbelief seem to be equating the situation to one of us being given the choice "hey, u want to play a few more games...chop off that pinky" That wasn't the case. I mean we all "love" life right? But yet people drink, smoke, eat unhealthy, fail to exercise, dip, chew, speed, fail to use seatbelts...... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 6:31:18 GMT -6
I remember being at a clinic once and Joe Paterno was one of the speakers... and the topic of hiring assistant coaches, came up
He said one of the questions he asks of all new assistants is "we're in the national championship game, we're tied, you get a call from home, and there's an emergency, what do you do ?", he said he wouldn't even hire anyone tht would consider staying for the game, the answer he's looking for is go home. He said all in all its still a game, health family ..all come 1st Someone willing to go that far is dealing with other issues
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 26, 2008 7:58:47 GMT -6
coachkell---
Again, if the situation was--
Miss the last 5 games of your career..have surgery, and have everything just as they were before...then I would agree with you.
However, based on reading numerous articles and quotes from the player, the situation was much more like:
Miss the last 5 games of your career..have surgery, pinkie will be disfigured, arthritic, mangled, and the functionality will be diminished...
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Post by towtheline on Oct 26, 2008 10:57:16 GMT -6
coachkell--- Again, if the situation was-- Miss the last 5 games of your career..have surgery, and have everything just as they were before...then I would agree with you. However, based on reading numerous articles and quotes from the player, the situation was much more like: Miss the last 5 games of your career..have surgery, pinkie will be disfigured, arthritic, mangled, and the functionality will be diminished... I agree, from what I've read football wasn't his primary motive. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2008 11:17:08 GMT -6
I'm getting that too, from what I've now been told it was more like, an 80 % he'd lose the finger anyway even after it was re-attached, and it would cost him the season. That makes more sense then "cut it off I wanna play". Returning to the team was simply a plus.
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and sprinted for the trainer. The player was a calm as could be as he walked to the trainer. The other players stopped their drill and were looking on the ground for the 1/2 of his pinkie. One kid found it and put it in a cone and carried it up to the trainer. To make a long story short they rushed him and the pinkie to the hospital and unfortunately they were unable to reattach. Kid has yet to return to action and its been 6 weeks.