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Post by adienner on Oct 14, 2008 5:38:00 GMT -6
sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=3624798Interesting story about a Mesa State Lineman who told Drs to amputate his finger instead of receiving season ending surgery. I can't keep my players out of the training room and this athlete has his own finger amputated! To get a thread started my question would be how do you guys 'encourage' players not to be at the trainers all the time? We are making progress but it seems as though they want to go see the trainer for every injury no matter how small. I tried explaining its a tough sport and the less you practice the less you'll play in the game. It helped, but I feel like I need to do a better job of motivating them to stay on the field and not be in the training room.
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Post by fatkicker on Oct 14, 2008 6:09:01 GMT -6
sounds like what ronnie lott chose to do back in the 80's....
trainer said he could miss 8 weeks with ligament surgery on his hand or he could have one of his fingers cut off......he had most of one of his fingers cut off.....
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 14, 2008 8:23:10 GMT -6
wasnt there anyway to have surgery then wear a cast over it like you see so many lineman doing with the big clubs on their hand.
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Post by knight9299 on Oct 14, 2008 8:50:19 GMT -6
sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=3624798Interesting story about a Mesa State Lineman who told Drs to amputate his finger instead of receiving season ending surgery. I can't keep my players out of the training room and this athlete has his own finger amputated! To get a thread started my question would be how do you guys 'encourage' players not to be at the trainers all the time? We are making progress but it seems as though they want to go see the trainer for every injury no matter how small. I tried explaining its a tough sport and the less you practice the less you'll play in the game. It helped, but I feel like I need to do a better job of motivating them to stay on the field and not be in the training room. The program I was with last year didn't have a training room. The trainer was around for game days, Saturday mornings, and Monday practice. She held treatments for people that needed it at her own office. So we didn't see that many players with the little injuries. Would I have liked to have the trainer at every practice? Definitely, I'm not medical professional and we ran into some instances were having a trainer would have been nice, but talking to my brother who is with a program that has a full time trainer, he echoes your issues. Personally I think you have to suck it up, if a kid is always getting 'treatment' don't play him, tell you can't rely on him since he's always banged up. If it means you lose ball games now, it should get the point across.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 14, 2008 14:57:42 GMT -6
I think there is a point when it goes to far, I actually tuned into that Mesa State game on tv when the announcer was talking about it. Seriously, sometimes there should be a point of perspective from those around the kid. Yes, it was his senior year. The injury would have caused him to miss the rest of the season. But if you take this into perspective...he plays at Mesa State, his goal in life should be to use football to get an education. To cut off a limb to play football seems drastic and especially even more so when he's not getting paid. I love football like any other. But I think if I had a kid in that same situation, I would have advised him to let the injury heal. Get the surgery and keep your body intact.
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Post by k on Oct 14, 2008 18:33:29 GMT -6
Get the surgery and keep your body intact. I'd cut off a pinkie in a second for one more game.
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Post by coachcoyote on Oct 15, 2008 0:44:18 GMT -6
Amen!!
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Post by mrsixx6 on Oct 15, 2008 10:29:29 GMT -6
Get the surgery and keep your body intact. I'd cut off a pinkie in a second for one more game. Me too....20 years ago! Now, I'd probably just give up a fingernail. I need all my fingers to type and enter in all my freakin' grades every other day...
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Post by playmaker on Oct 15, 2008 11:22:38 GMT -6
wasnt there anyway to have surgery then wear a cast over it like you see so many lineman doing with the big clubs on their hand. there was but the doctors forgot to tell him that until after they cut off the finger....lol...joking of course
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Post by dubber on Oct 15, 2008 11:25:03 GMT -6
It would suck if he blows out his knee next game.
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Post by eickst on Oct 15, 2008 14:48:17 GMT -6
As a coach I wouldn't let a player do something like that. I'd tell him, fine, have your finger cut off but you still won't play so you might as well keep it and miss the rest of the season.
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Post by splitricky5 on Oct 15, 2008 17:22:20 GMT -6
Hey boys, let's try to keep this in perspective (please note the sarcastic tone in my voice). This little operation he had got him interviewed on ESPN and talked about on the greatest board featuring the greatest coaches in the land. If I hack off one of my fingers, any way I can get that kind of attention??
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Post by eickst on Oct 15, 2008 17:32:01 GMT -6
Hey boys, let's try to keep this in perspective (please note the sarcastic tone in my voice). This little operation he had got him interviewed on ESPN and talked about on the greatest board featuring the greatest coaches in the land. If I hack off one of my fingers, any way I can get that kind of attention?? Only if you place it in a wendy's burger and say it was in there when you ordered it.
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Post by phantom on Oct 15, 2008 18:39:08 GMT -6
First of all this was a college senior, probably an adult. If that was his choice then he had the right. Secondly, I wonder how much chronic pain he was in and much more he was going to have to endure. On ESPN they mentioned that Lott made his decision in part because it hurt like hell. It's a pinkie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 20:01:24 GMT -6
As a coach I wouldn't let a player do something like that. I'd tell him, fine, have your finger cut off but you still won't play so you might as well keep it and miss the rest of the season. I agree, we call it the animal mentality, we tell players about it all the time, if they're hurt take the time they need to heal. I tell them "a dog will chew off one of it's own legs if it ever get's one trapped, and not even feel sorry for themselves about it, hat's how dedicated to survival they are, ...of course a dog has an IQ of about 12 as well...
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Post by phantom on Oct 16, 2008 8:57:21 GMT -6
As a coach I wouldn't let a player do something like that. I'd tell him, fine, have your finger cut off but you still won't play so you might as well keep it and miss the rest of the season. I agree, we call it the animal mentality, we tell players about it all the time, if they're hurt take the time they need to heal. I tell them "a dog will chew off one of it's own legs if it ever get's one trapped, and not even feel sorry for themselves about it, hat's how dedicated to survival they are, ...of course a dog has an IQ of about 12 as well... And yet the "human" response-NOT chewing the leg off- guarantees death.
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Post by eickst on Oct 16, 2008 10:03:13 GMT -6
Ok, the guy didn't have his pinkie trapped under a bulldozer on the side of the mountain with the volcano about to erupt and be smothered in lava and his only chance at survival was to cut the pinky off and run for it- he wanted to play a GAME.
Let's try to keep it in perspective.
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Post by phantom on Oct 16, 2008 10:44:06 GMT -6
Ok, the guy didn't have his pinkie trapped under a bulldozer on the side of the mountain with the volcano about to erupt and be smothered in lava and his only chance at survival was to cut the pinky off and run for it- he wanted to play a GAME. Let's try to keep it in perspective. Let's. What does he have to gain by keeping his pinkie? possibly a lot of pain and not much real funcionality unless he was planning to be a concert pianist. If he loses the pinkie he loses the pain, loses really nothing and gets to play.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 16, 2008 11:48:51 GMT -6
I don't know why anyone is arguing over this one; the dude lost half of his pinky finger so he could keep playing the game.
Most of us would love to have a fellow like that on our team; a kid who really does love the game.
Plus, talk about form over function..... It's not like he amputated a limb; half of his pinky finger is gone; it's not like he's disabled.
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Post by splitricky5 on Oct 16, 2008 12:06:19 GMT -6
The more important question that everyone is forgetting is this:
What happened to the amputated finger?
Talk about intimidation! Walk out to the coin toss carrying your amputated finger!
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Post by phantom on Oct 16, 2008 20:39:31 GMT -6
The more important question that everyone is forgetting is this: What happened to the amputated finger? Talk about intimidation! Walk out to the coin toss carrying your amputated finger! Knew a guy in college who had a glass eye. He liked to put it in people's drinks at parties or go out to eat, tap the waitress on the shoulder, hold it up and say "I've got my eye out for you, Honey". A finger may not be as entertaining as an eye but there are still definite possibilities. "Giving them the finger" definitely takes on a different meaning.
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Post by htownoc on Oct 17, 2008 6:21:16 GMT -6
They believe he is now 10% less likely to get holding calls.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 17, 2008 7:00:58 GMT -6
Another fine argument for shoulder blocking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 9:02:18 GMT -6
Ok, the guy didn't have his pinkie trapped under a bulldozer on the side of the mountain with the volcano about to erupt and be smothered in lava and his only chance at survival was to cut the pinky off and run for it- he wanted to play a GAME. Let's try to keep it in perspective. Precisely my point, I think the guy needs a psychiatrist more than a surgeon. I like the line 'everybody thinks I'm crazy'...count me in big fella
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 9:05:31 GMT -6
I agree, we call it the animal mentality, we tell players about it all the time, if they're hurt take the time they need to heal. I tell them "a dog will chew off one of it's own legs if it ever get's one trapped, and not even feel sorry for themselves about it, hat's how dedicated to survival they are, ...of course a dog has an IQ of about 12 as well... And yet the "human" response-NOT chewing the leg off- guarantees death. No I think we've evolved past that state, ( at least I'd hope so ) we have a few more options nowadays. I don't think death was ever part of this equation.
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2008 9:38:45 GMT -6
And yet the "human" response-NOT chewing the leg off- guarantees death. No I think we've evolved past that state, ( at least I'd hope so ) we have a few more options nowadays. I don't think death was ever part of this equation. Others have said it and I'll repeat it- I'd give a pinkie to be able to play football again. Basketball players can play pickup games and rec league. There are sandlot baseball leagues. When you're done playing organized football it's gone forever. The kid is a D.2 offensive lineman. When this season ends he will never play real football again. If he's willing to trade a pinkie to keep that I understand. Getting castrated? Different story. A pinkie? No problem. He's probably a two-finger typist like me.
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Post by playmaker on Oct 17, 2008 11:51:02 GMT -6
They believe he is now 10% less likely to get holding calls. You guys have made my day....especially since I have my only 2 RB's with any speed on my team out the rest of the year....one has a get this...lol...a broken finger that had to have pins in it.....no such luck in cutting it of though...for two reasons 1st-middle finger....2nd-he had a hard enough time holding on to the ball with 5 much less 4...
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Post by coachmathis on Oct 17, 2008 12:45:54 GMT -6
Dumbest thing that I have heard of someone doing in awhile. Under no circumstances should you cut off a finger to play a college football game,lol. I agree with whomever stated that he is an adult and it's his right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 6:30:55 GMT -6
I agree it reminds me of theat Monty Python skit with the knight..."no , no it's merely a flesh wound"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 6:34:30 GMT -6
It would suck if he blows out his knee next game. Too funny, ...cut it off, lets stay with a theme here...=
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