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Post by trailrunner on Oct 10, 2008 23:25:14 GMT -6
In college, when the ball is spotted at a hash mark, the wideside (field side) becomes 40 foot wider than the shortside (boundary). Big difference. I'm hoping we can discuss how this difference effects play calling and defensive schemes.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by k on Oct 11, 2008 8:45:56 GMT -6
It definitely does impact my calls.
Self scouting tells me that I only run 3 pass patterns if we're in the middle of the field or to the wide side.
Last year a team ran sweep & Boot ONLY to the wide side against us (and versus the previous two teams they played) which resulted in them not gaining a single yard on those plays the entire game.
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Post by eickst on Oct 11, 2008 9:01:36 GMT -6
At the youth level a lot of teams will run outside to the field and throw deep routes to the boundary side. So the best tackling corner plays wideside and my best cover corner plays boundary.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 11, 2008 10:04:30 GMT -6
At the youth level a lot of teams will run outside to the field and throw deep routes to the boundary side. So the best tackling corner plays wideside and my best cover corner plays boundary. Nearly the exact opposite at the higher levels if field/boundary is in the equation for personnel. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 11, 2008 10:13:10 GMT -6
definately effects my calls defensively, if they go trips to the field there are many times I can slide my backers and put my OLB into the box and play both the run and the slant against those guys that lik eto run it back there. couldn't do it w/ the narrower hashes
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 12, 2008 12:55:00 GMT -6
At the youth level a lot of teams will run outside to the field and throw deep routes to the boundary side. So the best tackling corner plays wideside and my best cover corner plays boundary. Same here, I have even gone so far as having a wideside/shortside halves of the defense, split right down the offense's center and QB. Faster kids, better tacklers on wideside, bigger, slower guys on the shortside. Made somewhat of a difference for the team, but not a huge, huge difference. Now I try to just keep the wideside/shortside thinking to the corners like eickst does, and maybe the contain guys too . . . I found if I over think where to put each guy regarding ws/ss it gets to be pulling threads on a sweater, you pull one and it's fixed, but another unravels . . . if that makes sense . . . |
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 14, 2008 9:39:11 GMT -6
I like to put trips into the boundary and throw quickscreens,hitches and hitch and goes to the wideside single WR
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 14, 2008 9:54:16 GMT -6
I like to put trips into the boundary and throw quickscreens,hitches and hitch and goes to the wideside single WR Yes, my hc busts my balls with this in practice |
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Post by raiderpirates on Oct 14, 2008 23:41:40 GMT -6
definately effects my calls defensively, if they go trips to the field there are many times I can slide my backers and put my OLB into the box and play both the run and the slant against those guys that lik eto run it back there. couldn't do it w/ the narrower hashes What of slots? I try and retain as much front seven integrity as can be allowed. Trips is one item, then are they bunched or spaced wide? All of these change what we want to do to try and shape action to those players. |
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Post by coachgreen05 on Oct 15, 2008 10:22:14 GMT -6
I like to put trips into the boundary and throw quickscreens,hitches and hitch and goes to the wideside single WR I'm interested in how you throw a quick screen to a single WR split to the field. But I know this as well, that's why my best cover CB is on the single receiver side. either just a quick throw,like right now vs off coverage. Or offset the Fullback in shotgun and have him kickout #1 on a quick screen |
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Post by phantom on Oct 15, 2008 19:20:13 GMT -6
In college, when the ball is spotted at a hash mark, the wideside (field side) becomes 40 foot wider than the shortside (boundary). Big difference. I'm hoping we can discuss how this difference effects play calling and defensive schemes. Thanks in advance. In Federation ball the difference is more pronounced. How do we defend it? Depends on the offense's tendencies. So like to go short-side and some like to go wide. |
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Post by thakatalyst on Oct 21, 2008 9:55:05 GMT -6
As a DC, I look for field/boundary tendencies of the OC I'm up against. Our opponent this week loves trips open with trips to the field side and the single receiver to the boundary side. And they love to roll the QB to that side. You better believe I'm bringing pressure from that side.
I also believe that field/boundary adjustments are necessary as a defense. I would rather put my faster and better open field tacklers to that wide side, especially when a team has solid field/boundary tendencies. If my force and contain players on the boundary side do their jobs, we'll be able to rally to the boundary where there is less room to run.
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Post by assistantcoachp on Oct 21, 2008 12:54:25 GMT -6
At the youth level a lot of teams will run outside to the field and throw deep routes to the boundary side. So the best tackling corner plays wideside and my best cover corner plays boundary. Nearly the exact opposite at the higher levels if field/boundary is in the equation for personnel. I would also agree, as the the wide side corner would have to cover more ground. On offense I like to get my quicker shifty guys to the wide side of the field, and use our bruisers to the short side. Although this could change at anytime based on matchups. |
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Post by eickst on Oct 21, 2008 15:05:43 GMT -6
I do not alter defensive calls to wideside as they are kind of built in to the d, but I do swap corners DEs, and LBs depending on where the wide side is. I want my faster DE and LB on the wide side, I can put the slower guys to the boundary. I put the fast corner on the short side and the stronger better tackling corner on the wide side.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Oct 23, 2008 17:18:49 GMT -6
It's beneficial to know your own tendencies in regards to the wide and short side and use that against the defense. If they start overplaying to your tendency, you've got a good chance for a big play when you break that tendency. Also, if they are playing you straight up, you can condition the reaction of the defense. For example, If you continually run wide side, the FS is going to start cheating that way, not because he was told to, but because he's an agressive player who wants to make plays. The key is knowing your own tendencies, recognizing the way the D is reacting, and choosing the right time to break that tendency with a play that your team can execute. I suppose this is a gross understatement of the obvious to everyone. Anyway, I always have a specific game plan for attacking the short and wide side. It works best when my players are better than the other team's players.
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