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Post by coachmathis on Oct 7, 2008 14:08:41 GMT -6
Coaches,
Would do you all think about starting a football term dictionary for the board? I was reading a post on defense only to find out later in the thread that a term used meant something totally different than it means in the football circles that I have been a part of. I am a young coach, so some terms are just completely foreign to me. Anyway,just an idea.
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Post by eickst on Oct 7, 2008 15:34:48 GMT -6
The problem is the same terms usually mean different things to different people.
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Post by lochness on Oct 8, 2008 5:31:30 GMT -6
Just as an example...
Our base play in our offense is called the "Belly." It is a play where one back will dive "off guard" and get a give or fake ride from the QB, and a second back will dive to the same side "off tackle" and receive a give or fake ride from the QB as well, who then sprints around the end either keeping it or faking the keeper.
In the last 15 years, I have seen this play referred to as:
"Belly"
"Double Dive"
"First Back / Second Back / Keeper"
"Power"
"Drive"
Even more confusing is that the term "Belly" then means other things in different offenses:
Wing-T teams usually call their FB dive to the weak side a "Belly" or a "Belly Crossblock."
I teams sometimes call their FB dive to either side a "Belly."
The Colts refer to their inside zone play out of single back as "Belly."
The most common play in football is probably the isolation play, where a lead blocker runs in front of the ballcarrier and blocks a LB at the point of attack. I've seen this play called:
"Lead"
"Iso"
"Blast"
"Power"
"Crunch"
Again, even more confusing is that "Power" is then also a term for a totally different play for some people, as is "Blast."
Look at the double wing offense. There is the base play where they toss the ball to the far WB and lead up through the off-tackle hole with the backside G and T, FB kicks out, and Qb leads as well. This has been called:
"Toss"
"Super Toss"
"Super Power"
"Power"
Heck, just look at defensive position terminology. 30 stack guys are the BEST at this. The OLB's in that defense are invariably referred to as:
"Dogs"
"Spurs"
"Ponies"
"Stingers"
"OLB's"
"Strong Safeties"
"Defensive Ends" (oops, those are 5-3 guys, my bad...)
My advise is this coach: when people are using terms without explaining them, make sure you get clarification on their meaning before proceeding. Guys will want to clinic talk you to death and dazzle you with their "Razor Apocalypse E-Bola" defenses (probably just a 4-3 with the SS playing wide side of the field, but they name it something cool so they can feel good about being "aggressive and nasty") and their "Fuel Injector Super Spread Flamethrower" offense that they got from Bob Zero University...but football is football. Always seek clarification, and you'll be fine.
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Post by lochness on Oct 8, 2008 5:33:24 GMT -6
Oops
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 8, 2008 8:07:10 GMT -6
Coach, just read your post and I'm interested in your new "Razor Apocalypse E-Bola" defense. Do you have a DVD out on this yet?  OJW |
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Post by coveyboyz1 on Oct 8, 2008 8:14:34 GMT -6
The Fuel Injector Super Spread Flamethrower isn't that just a fancy name for the A-11.
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Post by justryn2 on Oct 8, 2008 12:22:05 GMT -6
Yep, I hear the North Carolina just said that Fuel Injector Super Spread Flamethrower is illegal and will draw a USC penalty for the coach.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 8, 2008 12:45:42 GMT -6
And this thread will go in a completely different direction and be locked in Three.......two.......one..........
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Post by rathernot on Oct 8, 2008 12:55:16 GMT -6
Had to get in a post before it gets locked
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Post by tedseay on Oct 9, 2008 6:36:40 GMT -6
Just as an example... Our base play in our offense is called the "Belly." It is a play where one back will dive "off guard" and get a give or fake ride from the QB, and a second back will dive to the same side "off tackle" and receive a give or fake ride from the QB as well, who then sprints around the end either keeping it or faking the keeper. That's the Inside Belly series invented by Larry Siemering at College of the Pacific in the mid-1940's. That's the Outside Belly series perfected by Bobby Dodd at Georgia Tech in the 1950's. You can sort this stuff out, coach, but it takes some work sometimes. Some of the "creative" nomenclature that pops up is actually unhelpful. Calling the Inside Belly series the "Double Dive" is fairly useless, IMO: 1) There was a "double dive" play from the veer years before the term was used to describe the Inside Belly series; and 2) Tell me in what sense the second back is "diving". ...and don't even get me started on the way coaches go all freestyle on "upfield" versus "downfield"... |
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 10, 2008 5:45:11 GMT -6
Just as an example... Our base play in our offense is called the "Belly." It is a play where one back will dive "off guard" and get a give or fake ride from the QB, and a second back will dive to the same side "off tackle" and receive a give or fake ride from the QB as well, who then sprints around the end either keeping it or faking the keeper. In the last 15 years, I have seen this play referred to as: "Belly" "Double Dive" "First Back / Second Back / Keeper" "Power" "Drive" Even more confusing is that the term "Belly" then means other things in different offenses: Wing-T teams usually call their FB dive to the weak side a "Belly" or a "Belly Crossblock." I teams sometimes call their FB dive to either side a "Belly." The Colts refer to their inside zone play out of single back as "Belly." The most common play in football is probably the isolation play, where a lead blocker runs in front of the ballcarrier and blocks a LB at the point of attack. I've seen this play called: "Lead" "Iso" "Blast" "Power" "Crunch" Again, even more confusing is that "Power" is then also a term for a totally different play for some people, as is "Blast." Look at the double wing offense. There is the base play where they toss the ball to the far WB and lead up through the off-tackle hole with the backside G and T, FB kicks out, and Qb leads as well. This has been called: "Toss" "Super Toss" "Super Power" "Power" Heck, just look at defensive position terminology. 30 stack guys are the BEST at this. The OLB's in that defense are invariably referred to as: "Dogs" "Spurs" "Ponies" "Stingers" "OLB's" "Strong Safeties" "Defensive Ends" (oops, those are 5-3 guys, my bad...) My advise is this coach: when people are using terms without explaining them, make sure you get clarification on their meaning before proceeding. Guys will want to clinic talk you to death and dazzle you with their "Razor Apocalypse E-Bola" defenses (probably just a 4-3 with the SS playing wide side of the field, but they name it something cool so they can feel good about being "aggressive and nasty") and their "Fuel Injector Super Spread Flamethrower" offense that they got from Bob Zero University...but football is football. Always seek clarification, and you'll be fine. A football term dictionary could work if it was set up like this. Explain the "Common" term, tell what exactly it is, and then tell what others might call it. Anyone else have more info like this? I am sure with the knowledge on this board this thread could go on for while and we all could learn something. Nice post lochness and tedseay! |
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Post by eickst on Oct 10, 2008 10:50:34 GMT -6
If we explained every term and all of the different ways in which it could be used it would be longer than the Encyclopedia Brittanica!
Better to just make up your own terms to keep the confusion (and your own playbook sales) going.
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 10, 2008 12:50:57 GMT -6
It would be great to have a standard terminology guide but what is standard terminology? Terminology varies from state to state, from parts of the US and Other countries, from different parts of a state. Some coaches develop their own terminology or have the players help with it so that it is easier to learn.
If EVERY coach used the same terminology it would be great, but then when making calls at LOS every one would no each other's calls.
I say lets just leave it "to each his own."
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 10, 2008 14:46:09 GMT -6
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