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Post by futureazcoach on Oct 5, 2008 16:27:24 GMT -6
Coaches, i have been a member on this board for a while and studied the game for a long time while in military before i began coaching. This is my first year on field. We have stayed unbeaten so far. But the last time we played a team with far superior talent are kids went into a shell and we had to come back in fourth qtr to tie game.
our next game is against a far superior team and one that makes the last team look poor. Coaching wise what would you say? Stay with what works for us? Use tricks? Try to force errors by them ala onside kicks?
Any help would be grateful
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 5, 2008 17:20:12 GMT -6
Coach, don't change what you do. Work on execution and focus on the little things. Sure you can add a wrinkle or 2. But you run what you do because you know how to coach it. If you lose to a team that is better..its no shame. Use it as a tool to get better. It will show you where your offense lacks (execution, schematically; are you attacking all areas of the field), and where you defense needs to improve (getting off blocks, formational line-ups, etc..).
On offense, one 'wrinkle' you might try is to mix your snap counts up. Don't always go on 1. Seems like a very simple thing but a lot of teams do not mix it up. Mine included lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2008 18:12:12 GMT -6
Coach, stay with what you have, changing anything, will do more harm than good.
I strongly suggest using the OSK ONLY. I never kick deep, unless I'm up.
The best bit of advice I can offer is manage the clock!!!
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Post by dubber on Oct 5, 2008 18:19:33 GMT -6
Is this team ALOT better than you?
If so, you may want to re-emphasize something you do.
For example, if you are a throw first team, come out and run the ball a little more at the start (more draws, zone, etc.)
Doing something you do, but that they don't expect as your usual M.O. can get that team off balanced, and avoids that "ohhhhhh crap" feeling your kids get if they get a 3 and out and then punch it in on their first drive.
In most blowouts, there is a tipping point that turns it from respectable/we-got-a-chance to a landslide. Having success early versus a better opponent gives your kids confidence......
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 5, 2008 19:13:22 GMT -6
IMO most high school teams are largely momentum teams ( except the very best 5%)
they will play to the momentum, if things are rolling your team blows someone out, when things get tough your team implodes...
if you do get a break, turnover, recover an onside kick... GO FOR THE JUGULAR!!! throw a deep ball, pitch pass, something that you think can lead to a big play
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Post by futureazcoach on Oct 5, 2008 22:16:15 GMT -6
The team is "Alot" better then us from what i have seen so far. NOthing less then 50 points for them or more then 7 given up.
Our defense has been pretty solid so far. I am thinking up moving a few players around and attacking more to try to force there qb into mistakes. They are a shotgun team similar to ours. So instead of dropping and playing zone and letting them run against us I think we are going to try to bring pressure.
And the OSK thing is something that we have been using most of the year so far.
The momentum thing is what I am worried about. We are a pass first team that uses spread formations and really uses the fly sweep. But i think we might try to slow things down this week and move the ball up the middle and control the clock compared to 100 miles an hour that we usualy play at. but what worries me is will my kids get down if they realize what i am doing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2008 5:36:48 GMT -6
Coach,
"Run what you brung" is the best statement I've heard. If it's way out of the norm. for you then you are out of your comfort zone and the kids will see right through it. It also means that you have no confidence in them or what you are doing. I've been down this road before and it is littered with my mistakes.
My first years as a dc we would always go to a 50 look from out 4-3/4-4 look when facing wing-t. The kids were able to line up, but never played well. When I asked one why do wing-t teams eat us up the kid gave answers about the type of defense that we played and why did we change for just 1 or 2 teams; basically put they lost faith. So now that I'm a DC again I'm doing something my old DC used to do and that is put in what you do in the spring and the early fall so the kids don't think it isn't part of your defense. It has helped our kids realize that we can run both the over and the under with little to no trouble.
Just my 2 cents on changing vs. a stronger opponent.
Duece
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 6, 2008 8:31:44 GMT -6
Without the kids knowing we would always call our plays late to run down the clock. make the game short. take unexpected long shots. get it down to the last play and go for two. don't take it into OT
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Post by raiderpirates on Oct 8, 2008 15:37:14 GMT -6
This is who we are, this what we do. Let's be confident.
Change your timing marks situationally later in the game, especially to the six/four minute marks,etc. If they are doing something you have little feel for, after the first huddle or time out to address the issue, go to the no huddle. See if you can keep them from doing their specialty look that way.
If they keep bringing something new off the huddle, go no huddle if you've got some good combos and matchups to work them.
If it's strictly a matter of changing the tempo to keep them off the field, it would be a matter of them being able to stop your offense that is far more important. Use the up tempo so your guys can build a lead, execution is more important at that stage of the game.
We are a crisp efficient offense, let's prove that.
Possession is more important than position, but if you can execute and keep resetting downs up tempo, then do just that. I don't see a difference between those two keys if your offense is good as you think.
When we play a much better team I always project our usual core plays to gain one or two yards less for runs, a few less for passes. This way I'm a bit ahead of the management issue. Then our sure short yardage plays, etc. are being used to maximum gain and any extra yards we get from them is a bonus.
Second and three and your usual short yardage run for three or four only gets two on them, you are still in the plan. Third and three and your core quick pass play for five or six to eight yards gets four yards, well it looks like you won that. Seriously consider more use of four down territory calls to their side as well.
As they tire you might find that the team staple for converting third and three is getting five every time.
If they spread out and you still want to get them inside, shovel and sprint draw often, and tunnel screen behind the jet motion, etc. Quicks are like long handoffs.
Specialty play, shotgun, the direct snap shotgun, like the Pats do. Fake a high snap by the QB acting like he is jumping to catch it(fake punt as well), then another time motion him like he's walking to the sideline(Kordell Stewart Steelers, sleeper snap). Those stay right in your offense and make certain one of your better ball handlers(the RB) is involved. Use those when you have already established some things passing.
Take the ball on the kick unless the wind could affect your passing game and you can have that. Manage the time around that factor(we go 1 and 4 to the choice for the wind). That stays within your onside kick plan as well.
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Post by futureazcoach on Oct 11, 2008 16:11:46 GMT -6
Was able to watch the far superior team this past week. They have about forty kids on the team, same as us. But they only play 15 of them. Including the skill guys that play both ways. With this we are going to use the tempo to our advantage. Similar to one of Franklin's ideas of running screens and things to make them run sideline to sideline to start the game. Try to tire them that way in second half maybe we get a shot to win or get back in game.
How many trick plays should be run? When should i decide to start pulling that stuff out? Also if we get down big, abandon no huddle and milk clock? or keep running and take chance they will tire or take plays off?
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Post by coachorr on Oct 11, 2008 16:20:52 GMT -6
If down big, might want to abandon the no-huddle. I like the idea of screens. As far as trick plays, dick them before they do you. Anything that will keep them off balance. I am really curious to see how things turn out.
I do like the idea of coming out in no-huddle, assuming you can keep them off balance and get first downs.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 11, 2008 16:33:53 GMT -6
I would strongly advise AGAINST the high tempo strategy. I believe that in this case you are setting the kids up for absolute failure. If they are superior, than the "odds" are in their favor every single play. The more plays you create, the further you push their odds in their favor.
As far as "trick" plays, I would use trick plays with the LEAST negative possibilities. Deep reverses, fake kicks etc are momentum killers. Silent snap counts, direct snaps , crazy formations...usually don't hurt too bad when they fail.
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Post by futureazcoach on Oct 11, 2008 17:04:56 GMT -6
yeah we wont be running fake kicks or reverses. but we are going to run tackle over and double passes, and some direct snap stuff. silent snaps will probably also work with how wide they play there front four.
The thing with high tempo is just trying to wear them out, yeah i know it gives them more plays but i think forcing them to play more will actually help us out in the second half.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 11, 2008 17:06:19 GMT -6
futureaz.....how? Are you deeper than the "far superior" team?
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Post by futureazcoach on Oct 11, 2008 17:40:58 GMT -6
not saying we are deeper by any means. we just play more kids since all our kids are about the same skill level. where they play there 16 best kids. for example there qb and rb are the starting corners. one of four wrs is a DE, one is the safety one is a lb and one goes out on defense. there best o-tackle is the other DE. and the nose and d tackle switch with the center and one guard. the other guard is a line backer.
They have greater skill level and size at every position. we just have about twenty plus kids that play but are best kid would proly be their third or fourth wr. none of our o line would play for them.
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