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Post by chadp56 on Oct 2, 2008 6:17:11 GMT -6
I added a team rule in when I took this job that I had the right to move up any kid. I said I would take into account playing time and readiness before I made that choice. The parents and the kid had to sign it. Now someone has complained because our JV isn't winning enough. The AD has told me that the rule goes against the athletic policy. I'm wondering what happens in other districts.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 2, 2008 6:53:18 GMT -6
never heard of such a thing.
where i'm from JV means just for varsity.
no one ever got fired around here for what happens on thursday night. jv isn't winning enough, are you {censored} kidding me?
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Post by airman on Oct 2, 2008 10:43:28 GMT -6
interesting how winning is now at the lower levels. JV, soph and freshman is not really about winning it is about learning techniques of the game and playing.
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Post by phantom on Oct 2, 2008 11:32:40 GMT -6
I added a team rule in when I took this job that I had the right to move up any kid. I said I would take into account playing time and readiness before I made that choice. The parents and the kid had to sign it. Now someone has complained because our JV isn't winning enough. The AD has told me that the rule goes against the athletic policy. I'm wondering what happens in other districts. Everything that we do is based on bringing success to the varsity. We had a JV game this Monday but because we have a varsity game tonight (Thursday) Monday was a hard practice day for the varsity. That meant that some key JV players (varsity backups, scout teamers) had to stay home instead of playing in the JV game. There was never any question about it and there was no discussion with parents or the players. The only time we've had a problem pulling JVs up is when we want to bring them up for the playoffs and they want to play basketball. In retrospect, when these kids got older and had to play varsity none of them were worth a damn. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 2, 2008 12:44:55 GMT -6
Our school doesn't require parental permission to move up but if the parents are dead set against it we won't go againt the parents wishes. Now we had a parent of a kid we wanted to move up and they told us he wants to play with his class. so next year he will play with the soph's on JV. ps (we'll see how long this lasts)
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Post by chadp56 on Oct 5, 2008 19:37:21 GMT -6
Coaches,
Keep the info coming, I'm hoping to use some of this as ammunition to get this rule changed. Oh yea, one of the JV parents this week came up and thanked me for "ruining" the j.v. season because I have 2 kids up, even though several teams we play have more than 2!
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2008 20:20:47 GMT -6
chad--it might help us understand a bit if you explain how the entire program is designed.
In every H.S program that I have worked with, the JV team was staffed by non seniors who did not start on Varsity. At some of the bigger schools, there was a separate freshman team..but...qualified frosh who would benefit from PRACTICING at the Varsity/JV levels were moved up (many more practices than games, and this was explained to them).
I have a hard time wrapping my head around some system where the divisions are preordained by class, which apparently is the way your system is run.
Heck, I have coached several kids who were 3 year starters, and even a few 4 year starters on the Varsity level. How would that be treated where you were?
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Post by chadp56 on Oct 6, 2008 10:56:22 GMT -6
Coach,
Yes, the teams are determined by class which is pretty much standard in Michigan I believe. We don't have spring ball here and have a lot of off-season rules that prohibit a lot of the off-season stuff that goes on in other states. We also have a rule that if you play one play in the JV game you can't play in the varsity game. We are a small school (450 9-12) and this year we have lower then usual numbers with 20 on the JV and 20 on the varsity. Most places frown on having juniors or seniors on the J.V. level, though I have seen a few juniors play down but that was rare. Does that help?
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Post by pegleg on Oct 8, 2008 9:57:36 GMT -6
the way things are run around here are as follows:
1. win on the freshmen level.
2. best soph/juniors play on varsity.
3. all seniors are on varsity, regardless of ability.
4. win on varsity.
thats how it is everywhere i have been in texas, and you can only play 1 game a week here as was mentioned in another post. every state is different but i can say that in texas thats how things are run.
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Post by chadp56 on Oct 8, 2008 18:44:43 GMT -6
Coach,
So you are saying that winning is emphasized on the freshmen level, but not on the J.V. level as many kids are up? Please elaborate. I'm guessing goal #4 is more important than #1 right? Thanks.
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Post by coachbigelow on Oct 8, 2008 23:36:02 GMT -6
We talk to the freshman parents at our school before moving them up to sophomores. We only take players up that will play at that level. Certain sophs get pulled up to play Varsity and JV. Unfortunately you have some frosh coaches tell the kids oh you won't play on the sophs team like you could for us. Lol I guess that worked this year as we had some talented freshman that would have got playing time with us went back to the Frosh team after camp. I also heard that they thought the sophs would suck this year, even though we are now currently 5-1 on the season so far. Program is doing it right it looks like we are on a 29 game win streak. Our star seniors played as sophs on the state championship team 2 years ago.
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Post by pegleg on Oct 9, 2008 8:41:20 GMT -6
Coach, So you are saying that winning is emphasized on the freshmen level, but not on the J.V. level as many kids are up? Please elaborate. I'm guessing goal #4 is more important than #1 right? Thanks. thats exactly what i'm saying. keep the freshmen class together and win. you want these kids to be succesful in your system with you coaches. you would like these kids to stay together all 4 years, but he reality is, win on friday or go home. therefore you play the best kids, period. move the best sophs up if they can contribute. same is true of freshmen, but you don't see a 14 year old that can contribute on friday night very often. #4 is really the ONLY important goal. there is a saying in texas, "no one ever got fired on thursday night". if someone can contribute on friday night, regardless of age, play them. ideally, you would have a senior dominated varsity team. but even the southlake's of the world play youngsters on friday night if they are ready. riley dodge and tre newton both played as sophs. jim jeffcoat's kid started for 4 yeas at plano west, as did james lofton's kid. |
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