mc140
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Post by mc140 on Sept 27, 2008 22:17:50 GMT -6
Coaches,
At our school the Freshmen staff is required to go out scouting on Friday nights since we play on THursday or Saturday. I do not mind going to the games, but was wondering what the point of doing this is if they are exchanging film with the teams we scout the night before? Also, I have noticed that they barely even look at the stuff we do write down.
Is this normal at most schools?
I talekd to one of my friends who coaches at another school and they also scout butthey do more advanced scouting. Games that they will not recieve in film exchange. (Conference rules require exchanging last two game films.)
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Post by coachbb on Sept 27, 2008 22:32:43 GMT -6
There are a couple of reasons you want to see the team live.
1. See if anybody is hurt. You can catch the player standing on the sideline with his jersey on, usually. You can't do this unless you are live.
2. You can catch the offense's snap count live. You can't do that from tape.
3. You can see how they sub easier by checking who they run on the field and who goes off.
There are some others, but those are the few I can think of off the top of my head.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 27, 2008 22:35:32 GMT -6
In my opinion this is overkill assuming you are not filming the game and they are getting game film anyway. It seems like a micro-manager issue.
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Post by semi-pro64 on Sept 28, 2008 7:24:45 GMT -6
Things we look for in addition to what coachbb said
1) Get a roster, confirm who is starting and their #, height, weight and year
2) Defensive fronts, sometime it is hard to tell a 1 tech from a 2 tech on film.
3) Coverages, again sometimes hard to tell from film.
4) Subs or injuries that happen during the game
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Post by lochness on Sept 28, 2008 8:37:10 GMT -6
There is NO substitute for live scouting.
The film may give you the X's and O's, but being there live gives you the "feel" for the other team (along with all of the points these other coaches have made).
1. How fast are they REALLY (very difficult to gauge on film
2. How well do they "pop"
3. What is the demeanor of the team on the sideline, how do they respond in certain situations?
4. Details like line splits, snap cadence, etc.
5. Do they have better burgers than your last opponent
These things are all critical...!
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dcoach84
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Post by dcoach84 on Sept 28, 2008 18:10:40 GMT -6
I personally would rather see the other team "live" as well.
We have had several issues with exchanging film within our conference. One team said they did not know how (?) to make a copy of their most recent game so they gave us a game from earlier in the season. It turned out that they changed up their offense substantially the previous week. By the time we got that game film, it was Thursday and much too late to make changes.
Another team gave us a dvd that did not work at all. Our staff is new this year so I am not sure if this is normal for first year HC's but the film exchange has gotten ridiculous. If we would have sent our lower level coaches, at least we could have gotten something on them. This would be one reason I would send coaches to scout, along with what many of the other coaches have said.
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Post by kcbazooka on Sept 29, 2008 5:47:28 GMT -6
LIVE --- you need to get there early enough to watch pregame -- you can get a lot of kicking game scouting that you may not see in the game. Good teams may not punt every game so its good to see their snapper and punters ability sometime. The videos we get are not very good and LIVE you may see substitutions or line flips that you would not be able to pick up on tape. I always make sure to be standing where a team comes off the field to gauge their size. ALso you can usually get an end zone view which you won't get on tape.
If there is a game to see on a saturday I always try to make it.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 29, 2008 9:34:51 GMT -6
It's easier to see subs. Also easier to see long routes. Our league allows us to film, so we film too. Question. Who do you send out to scout. all our games are on Friday. Our HFC doesn't ask our Frosh coaches to scout.
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htownoc
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Post by htownoc on Sept 30, 2008 10:43:50 GMT -6
It is a common, but unethical practice, by many coaches in my area to cut out things like trick plays, 2 point conversions, onsides kicks, etc. Obviously live scouting has the advantage over film only in this situation.
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Post by bluboy on Sept 30, 2008 11:10:00 GMT -6
We will go to scout the game anyway (two of us), simply to save time. One coach will talk while the other records. Doing this will save us time in that we will not have to "scout the film"; it's already scouted. We can now watch this film for other things (personnel, etc). We do it this way all the time.
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