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Post by ajreaper on Sept 9, 2008 20:32:13 GMT -6
If they are "forced" to move up would you really want them?
If they are not willing then leave them down.
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Post by k on Sept 9, 2008 21:18:23 GMT -6
I remember being moved up. I remember being absolutely clobbered by an all state and D-I 6'7'' 330 pound five star recruit senior defensive lineman and immediately wanting to go back to pushing around underclassmen at least until the first time he missed a block and I made a play.
Realize sports is a LOT more fun when you're winning both games and on a personal level. Being destroyed in either case just isn't fun and in the case of being hit by someone who is almost a foot taller and over a hundred pounds heavier is painful...
In the last three years we've moved up a bunch of kids in my program. Our split end is a junior and in his third year starting as is our left tackle. We've got a sophomore who is starting for the second year. Our #2 fullback started two scrimmages so far and will no doubt start at least a couple games this year. All of them were wary of moving up. We let them play JV/Freshman games and this makes a huge difference.
The kids want to play with their boys. They see themselves as part of that team. It makes perfect sense on a bunch of levels that they don't want to move up.
You need to make them feel secure and IMO that involves allowing them to play with their peers in games and that they are not going to be pounded on by seniors in practice outside at least more than normal...
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Post by poweriguy on Sept 9, 2008 23:48:35 GMT -6
Reminds me of a story a baseball coach told me once.
His school had a varsity/JV tourney and the JV team had 14 guys suited up and the varsity only had 7 kids show up. He moved all the JVs up to varsity for that day and they ended up winning. So on the bus ride home he told all the JVs they were varsity for tomorrows game.
So the next day he only had 7 kids show up.
Those JV kids quit, than rather play varsity.
So if you force them, they will quit.
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Post by talexander on Sept 10, 2008 3:55:13 GMT -6
Thank you, Gentlemen
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 10, 2008 10:59:26 GMT -6
same thing happened to us. Wanted to bring up 2-3 frosh for a good look. they all wanted to play together as Frosh. well they are all playing together. the frosh are 0-2 and have only scored one TD. now we thought at least three of those kids might be able to help us. Coach said he would be "gashing" his opponents (i'm not kidding) BTW varsity is 2-0. the Off is averaging >50 pts a game. cleared the bench last week. all those guys would have played
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Post by wingtol on Sept 10, 2008 12:26:28 GMT -6
I think it also depends on the size of your program. Obviously if you have Frosh, JV, and Varsity teams then it's a bit different if you have 50 kids in the program. When I coached at a big school we hardly moved kids up unless it was an emergency or the kid was a stud. Lots of times we found the kids wanted to play with their class as much as possible and often times the kids who moved up were decent but prob should have played JV or Frosh. Now the situation I am in now where we have 50 kids and practice together 9-12 it's a bit different, the players are all together and still with their classmates during the season. We are in a situation where we have to play a lot of Soph. out of necessity this year and while they will be good to great football players by the time it's all said and done, right now they are a bit overwhelmed at the varsity level. So I would take a good look at the situation before you start moving kids up.
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Post by airman on Sept 10, 2008 13:15:48 GMT -6
wow times have changed. I graduated high school 22 years ago and I would have given my left nut to move up to varsity as a soph early in the season or jv as a fr. I thought I was stud when I got moved up to varsity after the soph season ended and I got to go on a playoff run. I got beat to heck on the scout team but i was playing varsity ball.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 10, 2008 13:39:30 GMT -6
wow times have changed. I graduated high school 22 years ago and I would have given my left nut to move up to varsity as a soph early in the season or jv as a fr. I thought I was stud when I got moved up to varsity after the soph season ended and I got to go on a playoff run. I got beat to heck on the scout team but i was playing varsity ball. I agree... I don't know why we have so many kids that want to play JV instead of Varsity... CRAZY |
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Post by raiderpirates on Sept 10, 2008 16:54:50 GMT -6
I've never heard of it being like that. Then again, Seniors hazing people is a bigger thing now than it was in my day.
Thus, you reinforce insular arrangements. As a result the lack of confidence in 'leaders' means the other kids are ready to close ranks.
Besides, some personality profiles thrive in niches. That doesn't mean they can't play to a high level, just maybe more narrow a set of demands can be placed on them.
There's always someone ready to try that may be a bit more raw, but can use their entusiasm to just run to the ball and hit people. Find a way to harness that energy, use their optimism.
Players fearing a move up don't need to be forced. Find the ones who are confident. Use optimism, and the will to learn, as motivations. The spirit of fear cannot be used to cultivate the consistency you need for team demands.
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Post by tye2021 on Sept 11, 2008 13:48:58 GMT -6
Kids are soft these days. When I was a kid I learned how to play football by playing with my older brother and his friends. He is 3 years older than I am and his friends where his age or older.
I remember being pi$$ed I didn't get moved up to varsity for there last 2-3 games of the season as a sophmore.
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Post by coachkeng on Sept 12, 2008 15:41:04 GMT -6
Just a thought - why not have your team captains ask the underclassmen about moving up? No offense to all the other hard-working coaches out there, but being asked by "The" seniors to join them on the varsity might carry alot more weight with impressionable youngsters.
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Post by coachdawhip on Sept 14, 2008 10:04:06 GMT -6
Just a thought - why not have your team captains ask the underclassmen about moving up? No offense to all the other hard-working coaches out there, but being asked by "The" seniors to join them on the varsity might carry alot more weight with impressionable youngsters. with some of these kids it wouldn't make a difference on who asked them up and some teams don't have senior captains. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2008 10:31:07 GMT -6
wow times have changed. I graduated high school 22 years ago and I would have given my left nut to move up to varsity as a soph early in the season or jv as a fr. I thought I was stud when I got moved up to varsity after the soph season ended and I got to go on a playoff run. I got beat to heck on the scout team but i was playing varsity ball. I agree... I don't know why we have so many kids that want to play JV instead of Varsity... CRAZY I have to agree with these sentiments. To those of you with problems...I am wondering how you structure your program/teams/practices? |
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Post by coachbrexrode on Sept 18, 2008 13:57:54 GMT -6
Don't these kids and parents understand that they are helping the entire program by moving up. If the kid is physically able to perform at the next level, why shouldn't they move up. What happened to the good old days when a coach asked you to do somethen, you did it?
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