sbv
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Post by sbv on Sept 9, 2008 9:22:16 GMT -6
This week we play a team that runs a double wing with splits of 0 feet. (the linemen are seriously foot to foot). All of their plays in week 1 were runs, and they had a dive play, a reverse, but 90% of the time they ran a toss play to one wing back, while the QB, FB, and all uncovered linemen to the away side pulled and were lead blockers. They had success because they got approximately 3-4 yards each time and the coach does not believe in punting. In the second game they threw the ball to one of their wings on a deep route 3 times, connecting on one of them but he was open on all 3. Any ideas on how to stop this? What should we do to keep our DL from getting blown off the ball?
They also onside kick all of the time. This is the thing that concerns me most. Their kicker isn't very good and the coach's whole philosophy is to keep the ball away from our playmakers. I don't necessarily want to be on Onside kick return because they could pouch it over our first two lines and we could be in trouble. Any thoughts on this? Thanks a lot.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Sept 9, 2008 9:41:51 GMT -6
Coach, my advice is to give up now. Send a note to your opposing coach and say, sorry we are not coming, we know and have heard of the legend of the Doublewing and mother's refuse to allow their kids to come to the game. He will, of course understand, as he has 100's of these notes plastered on their locker room wall. Save yourself coach and give up now. Just trying to be a little "Brophy-esk", I can see it didn't work. Coach if you go to the articles section you will find several coaches have posted their success against the Doublewing. This offense is just as you explained it. All the classic Doublewing plays are there. If they are better than you, it will be a real fight. If they are not as good as you are athletically, it will be less of a fight. But this offense, is just that...an offense. Good luck, and practice onside kick coverage. OJW
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Post by dubber on Sept 9, 2008 10:47:26 GMT -6
Don't blitz.
I understand that they want to control the ball, but I imagine that they broke off a couple of 12+ yard runs in their drives. Keep them in front of you, and have your backside LB's scrape to fill the cutback lane.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 9, 2008 11:53:46 GMT -6
we've had good luck, running basically a GL defense. the Dline comes off low and hard basically cutting the oline, your edge guys have to spill/cut everything. Ilb's and DB's make most of the plays. held a 1500 yd rusher last yr to about 50 yds
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Post by k on Sept 9, 2008 21:38:25 GMT -6
Stop the superpower, the wedge, and the counter.
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Post by lochness on Sept 10, 2008 5:49:37 GMT -6
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Post by coachgreen05 on Sept 10, 2008 7:26:04 GMT -6
we just cut the offensive lineman. Make a pile and pullers fall over each other.
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Post by lochness on Sept 10, 2008 8:13:48 GMT -6
we just cut the offensive lineman. Make a pile and pullers fall over each other. Coach, That's interesting. I'm not a DW coach, so I don't understand the details of coaching the offense...but I have never actually seen this work. The DW Guards are as deep off the LOS as the rules of the game allow, and they are usually much too tight and too deep to be affected by crabbing or cutting DL. The DL simply cannot get enough penetration. Even on the wedge, I've seen NG and DT try to cut it down, and well-coached DW OLinemen just avoid the cuts and get up like a wall of humanity on to the 2nd level people. Can you speak to what techniques you are using and what style of DW offense you are facing?
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Post by liberalhater on Sept 10, 2008 8:34:55 GMT -6
belly flopping speaks to a lack of coaching ability and the ability to coach defense. Technique and reaction time are the keys to knocking this booger down. Understand how to attack double teams, how to attack pullers and contain front and backside.
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sbv
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Post by sbv on Sept 10, 2008 8:37:29 GMT -6
lochness, I read the article and that is what we are going to go with. We are bringing our two Safties in tighter, about 2 yards off of the line and having them read near wing instead of across because this team really has no passing threat. If they can beat us passing then they deserve to win. We are going with a big man as a Nose, two DTs head up on the 5s and our DEs outside shoulder of the TEs. Thanks again.
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Post by lochness on Sept 10, 2008 11:41:22 GMT -6
Any time, coach. Good luck with it. Take away what they do best and make 'em beat you somewhere else!
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Post by raiderpirates on Sept 10, 2008 23:28:27 GMT -6
Good luck SBV. My preference for tight gaps is to work the DL forward foot to the nearest blocker and try to pile it up so those LB can run stuff down.
Hopefully they start trying to bounce east west and the guys get to run them down full speed for their share of losses.
Honestly I prefer those teams run wide than get any kind of inside push or yards because then they have you in short yardage all the time and it plays to their strength as a tight formation.
We still honor contain but we want power teams to run wide.
As for uncovereds pulling, can you cover all four? Who changes on the pull block? Center leads playside hat to cut the pull man's spot or does the tackle/tight end block down?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2008 20:17:25 GMT -6
Follow the threads...aything can and has been beat. I beat DW's twice a year, though 1 is much harder than the other
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Post by marylandi on Sept 11, 2008 20:46:20 GMT -6
When I played HS ball we played a team that ran this exact formation - with the foot to foot splits. Run a 5-3 against them with 3 of your biggest ugliest defensive linemen in the middle bear crawling through their line. This will take out their blockers, allowing your ends and backers to make plays. It's tough on the lineman bear crawling so you'll have to have a good rotation. But it will lead to success - it will turn their offense into a mess because it will virtually cave in because of their close splits. The biggest key here is for your interior linemen to create havoc and chaos and for your defensive ends to contain. Your linebackers will then have middle to prevent runs up the gut. Safeties can also help on contain - especially when it's not a passing down (which out of this formation, won't be very often)
The beauty of this is also that it wears out their offensive line dramatically. Build a lead on offense and you won't be caught - this offense is virtually incapable of coming back in dire fashion.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 11, 2008 22:31:07 GMT -6
Run a 50 front and make sure you have 5 on one side and five on the other. I like to keep the tackles covered so they cannot jump though to the backers and the guards uncovered so they can provide a true read.
I like having a nose, so they cannot wedge when they want to.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 12, 2008 7:52:19 GMT -6
belly flopping speaks to a lack of coaching ability and the ability to coach defense. Technique and reaction time are the keys to knocking this booger down. Understand how to attack double teams, how to attack pullers and contain front and backside. Anyjackass can tear down a barn. It takes a craftsman to build one. what technique are you talking about? how do you attack pullers. please add something positive. i have faced this offense 5 times and my record stands at 4-1. have you faced this? how did YOU attack.
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