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Post by airraider on Sept 1, 2008 18:27:44 GMT -6
My buddy that I coached for last year.. I called him today.. they practiced today from 8am to 3pm straight!!
I told some of the stories last year such as the 5 hour practices.. and the 36 hours in 1 week during 2 a days..
I guess his kids are good for it.. but mine.. I got 3 out of them today.. and that was nearly too much..
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Post by ramsoc on Sept 1, 2008 20:07:02 GMT -6
I gotta call shenanigans on your buddy, no way they went for 7 hours straight. There had to be at least an hour break in there somewhere. Now my two a days in high school were 8 am to 4 pm, but there was an hour and a half lunch in the middle.
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Post by airraider on Sept 1, 2008 20:44:24 GMT -6
I gotta call shenanigans on your buddy, no way they went for 7 hours straight. There had to be at least an hour break in there somewhere. Now my two a days in high school were 8 am to 4 pm, but there was an hour and a half lunch in the middle. No.. trust me.. no breaks.. how do I know? Last season during 2-a-days we went from 7am-1pm.. thats 6 hours.. and there were NO breaks... the other days we went 2 three hour sessions for the 5 days.. then the 6 hours for a total of 36 hours for the week.. now granted that is with a weightroom session.. and several 5-10 minute water breaks.. but still.. |
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Post by bulldogoption on Sept 1, 2008 20:53:55 GMT -6
My buddy that I coached for last year.. I called him today.. they practiced today from 8am to 3pm straight!! I told some of the stories last year such as the 5 hour practices.. and the 36 hours in 1 week during 2 a days.. I guess his kids are good for it.. but mine.. I got 3 out of them today.. and that was nearly too much.. YGBFKM That is crazy, IMO. How can those kids keep their focus? How can they maintain some sense of balance in their lives? |
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Post by airdemon on Sept 1, 2008 21:21:05 GMT -6
i was there.......no breaks longer than 5 mins
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 1, 2008 22:01:58 GMT -6
wow, your friend must be a magician.
its already impossible to keep a HS students attention for more than about 2 hours i feel.
but a 7 hour practice is ridiculous to me, the kids would have no energy or focus left
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 1, 2008 22:34:11 GMT -6
I would bet this was a VERY low intensity practice OR a very UNeffective practice. could only be one or the other.. most likely both.
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Post by levydisciple on Sept 1, 2008 23:30:51 GMT -6
I wanna know what the players thought of this. How'd your friend get them to even show up, most importantly?
Either way though, seven hours is way too long for high school kids. School is about 6 hours a day, right, with no/very little physical exertion? How'd you get them to focus? Cuz I can almost guarantee, there's no way those kids are coming out for the next practice unless it was very low intensity.
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Post by fatkicker on Sept 2, 2008 6:34:24 GMT -6
sounds like he needs assistance in organizing.....
if you can't get it done in 21/2 to 3 hours then you need to find another profession....
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Post by airraider on Sept 2, 2008 9:08:23 GMT -6
This is a different breed of kid.. they will run through 3 walls if you tell them 2.. I think his coaches are feeling the brunt of it more than the kids.. right Martin? lol
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Post by phantom on Sept 2, 2008 9:38:20 GMT -6
Whew, what did they do? I doubt that I know seven hours worth of football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 2, 2008 11:22:06 GMT -6
This is a different breed of kid.. they will run through 3 walls if you tell them 2.. I think his coaches are feeling the brunt of it more than the kids.. right Martin? lol Running through walls doesn't win football games though. Besides, we have seen these kids on film..they would have trouble running through wet paper towels. |
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2008 16:20:10 GMT -6
he should learn about the point of diminished returns.
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Post by airraider on Sept 2, 2008 18:09:34 GMT -6
This is a different breed of kid.. they will run through 3 walls if you tell them 2.. I think his coaches are feeling the brunt of it more than the kids.. right Martin? lol Running through walls doesn't win football games though. Besides, we have seen these kids on film..they would have trouble running through wet paper towels. "would" have "had" trouble.. these kids have actually come a LONG way since last season.. they worked extremely hard in the off season and are all much faster and stronger.. its amazing what a good strength and conditioning program can do to a bunch of kids.. These kids would not miss practice for ANYTHING.. I dont know what all they did.. but I was up there on saturday and he was making out the practice plan.. and I know he had 60 minutes of just offensive indo scheduled.. plus the weightroom.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 2, 2008 18:19:06 GMT -6
Air--that is good to hear. My point in that statement was simply to show that the group in question is limited...and as someone mentioned, very susceptible to diminishing returns...
Now, if you include a 1.5 hour weight session, 1 hour special teams film session, 1 hour position meetings/film session. and a 3 hour practice...that is a bit more doable.
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Post by airdemon on Sept 2, 2008 19:44:02 GMT -6
30 min film session
1.5 hr offensive indo
2 hr special teams
1 hour team o
30 min def indo
30 min def team
30 min pass skel
15 min goal line
15 min conditioning
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 2, 2008 19:51:09 GMT -6
I can't see how a small school with the limited numbers like that could POSSIBLY have an upbeat, intense, effective experience following that schedule.
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Post by phantom on Sept 2, 2008 20:30:14 GMT -6
30 min film session 1.5 hr offensive indo 2 hr special teams 1 hour team o 30 min def indo 30 min def team 30 min pass skel 15 min goal line 15 min conditioning That's insane. |
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 2, 2008 20:55:29 GMT -6
I can't see how a small school with the limited numbers like that could POSSIBLY have an upbeat, intense, effective experience following that schedule. How could any school? How in the hell can a coach stay focused and upbeat much less a kid? working longer does not mean you are getting more done sometimes it just means you spent a lot of time doing little. |
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Post by bulldogoption on Sept 3, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -6
From my experience.....
The more organized I am, the shorter my practices become. When I'm not organized then I end up wasting time trying to get kids organized, setting up scout O/D, explaining drills, etc, etc, etc.
A shorter, crisper, efficient practice is appreciated by the staff and players.
I'm sure this man is a good coach, not trying to imply otherwise. Just saying that IMO, practices work better when they are shorter. I can accomplish the same thing in two hours that I could in three hours if I and my staff are organized and ready to go.
Scout cards for scout O and D. Scout cards for Drills. Lists for Team O/D. All of these things seem to really help cut down on that stand around time getting people set up. With a card that explains exactly where to go and what to do (arrows), I can accomplish more in a shorter time.
We have water close to the practice so players can grab it when they need. We still have water breaks, but they don't last as long if some of the kids have been grabbing some water on the run. Also, we did away with the "scheduled" water break. We still give our team water breaks, but do it more on feel. And we can usually get it done in 2-3 minutes rather than the 5-10 that would normally be in a schedule.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 3, 2008 11:37:09 GMT -6
I think this team has won what 1 game in the last several years total?
Reminds me of a saying is saw once:
"I apologize for not taking the time to write a shorter letter".
No offense intended.
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Post by airraider on Sept 3, 2008 14:15:37 GMT -6
I think this team has won what 1 game in the last several years total? Reminds me of a saying is saw once: "I apologize for not taking the time to write a shorter letter". No offense intended. you sure seem to keep harping on that.. Keep in mind.. This is only the second year at the school for this coach. Last year was spent undoing what had been going on for several years prior.. and this year they will see the fruits of the hard work. I dont know how well they will do.. but they won their scrimmage and one of their jamboree games.. both of which they lost last season. |
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Post by ramsoc on Sept 4, 2008 23:04:59 GMT -6
30 min film session 1.5 hr offensive indo 2 hr special teams 1 hour team o 30 min def indo 30 min def team 30 min pass skel 15 min goal line 15 min conditioning So its really 6.5 hours, cause film ain't really practice. But still, 6.5 hours straight is, pardon the word, retarded. 1.5 hours of off indys?!? What all goes on there? |
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Post by bulldogoption on Sept 5, 2008 6:05:29 GMT -6
This makes the image of a gerbil running on the wheel come to mind.....
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Post by phantom on Sept 5, 2008 6:24:29 GMT -6
30 min film session 1.5 hr offensive indo 2 hr special teams 1 hour team o 30 min def indo 30 min def team 30 min pass skel 15 min goal line 15 min conditioning It occurs to me that there's a half hour more of STs, and the same amount of time to offensive INDY alone, as there is total defense. |
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 5, 2008 18:13:03 GMT -6
LOL- you practice for 6+ hours and then need to "condition"?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2008 18:22:14 GMT -6
LOL- you practice for 6+ hours and then need to "condition"? Well, I would bet the first 6 hours weren't really at a brisk pace...LOL |
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Post by wingtol on Sept 6, 2008 15:04:18 GMT -6
1.5 hrs for O indy? 2 hrs. for Special teams?? Could anyone fill me in on what goes on in those sessions? Seriously 2 hours of special teams?  ? How many returns and blocks can you possibly have? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2008 15:53:27 GMT -6
1.5 hrs for O indy? 2 hrs. for Special teams?? Could anyone fill me in on what goes on in those sessions? Seriously 2 hours of special teams? ? How many returns and blocks can you possibly have? Actually, THAT is the one part of the schedule that doesn't seem too crazy for this point in the season. A little late, because here in Louisiana, specials were already used fully in Jamborees 3 nights before, BUT I could definitely see a use for a 2 hour special teams practice. 6 primary specials...kick, kick return, punt, punt return, FG and FG block. Each has very different individual skills. What a great opportunity to work on the fundamentals of these units in individual settings. Avoiding and reestablishing your lane is a skill. Pro Punt vertical Kickslide protection is a skill. Gunner releases/Gunner blocking are skills. Setting the wall, accelerating to the block point is a skill. |
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Post by wonderingcoach on Sept 6, 2008 18:20:38 GMT -6
I look at this totally different. If he kept the kids focused then that is awesome. If the kids made it then, these are great kids. I wish we could go all day a few times. I still remember 3 a days in High School, yeah it was tough, but it was a challange. If this coach is able to motivate his players to see it as that, then way to go. I however, would have needed a nap I think.
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? How many returns and blocks can you possibly have?