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Post by coachnichols on Aug 8, 2008 14:16:17 GMT -6
Okay, I need some thoughts on offensive installation this fall.
For all of my 7 years of coaching we've done the same thing: county fair to start the first practice, then individual to go over a few skills, then team of kind so we can install the first plays.
Here's my thought...what about doing this like Mr. Miyagi in The Karate Kid; work on the basic skills we need and then come together after we have "mastered" these skills. I've been working to compile a concise list of skills needed for each position and drills the staff can/should use, but I've been thinking about how we install. For example, what if I work to perfect the basic blocks needed and then come together as a team to teach several plays at one time, instead of just work one skill, install a few plays, break back up and work another skill and come together for a few plays. What do you think?
My main concern is what will work best for players who are learning a completely new offense, haven't been around over the summer to learn it, and struggle in the classroom and probably will struggle some to pick this up. Any thoughts?
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Post by touchdowng on Aug 8, 2008 19:17:01 GMT -6
We do most of our install like this during Spring and early Fall
WHOLE - PART - WHOLE
We walk through to show the big picture (5 min)
We break and do indo/combo for all techniques specific to this play. (25-30 min)
We do group (inside run / skelly) (15 min)
We do Team (10-15 min) - During team we will stop and demonstrate to our players the tweaks we can use for each play. We also show them potential gamenight adjustments (common adjusts).
We repeat this for each of our base run and base pass plays.
Our goal is to install 75% of our offense in the spring so that we can be more technique minded in the fall. In the fall we'll look more like this:
(Indo/Combo 30)
(group 10-15)
(team 10-15)
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Post by mrfr33z3 on Aug 9, 2008 1:05:02 GMT -6
well this is the plan that we are going with for this upcoming week. because it's our first official Fall practice we'll go from 3-6:30 (Everyone) but the next week we'll go to 2:40 - 5:40 ( Varsity & JV) :
Min...........Skill
10 - Dynamic Stretch ............./ QB, C, WR (Settle & Noose)
20 - Indy Def ........................./ QB, WR, RB ( Pat & Go)
20 - Indy OFF........................./ LB, DB ( Pursuit Drills & Run Fits, Responsiblities)
30 - Group ( Inside , Outside Runs)........................../ WR vs DB ( Stalk Blocking, Routes)
25 - Group ( 7 on 7 ).............................................../ OL vs DL ( Run Skell ( "Our Runs")
30 - Team Def #1, #2 vs Opponent Off ( Scouts JV, Fr.)
15 - SpTm ( KO / R), ( P / PR), (Pat / Blk) (( One set a day))
20 - Conditioning
20 - Group ( P.U. P , Screens & Exotic's)
30 - Team OFF #1, #2 vs Opponent Def ( Scout JV & Fr)
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Post by morris on Aug 9, 2008 17:39:16 GMT -6
Here's my thought...what about doing this like Mr. Miyagi in The Karate Kid; work on the basic skills we need and then come together after we have "mastered" these skills. I've been working to compile a concise list of skills needed for each position and drills the staff can/should use, but I've been thinking about how we install. For example, what if I work to perfect the basic blocks needed and then come together as a team to teach several plays at one time, instead of just work one skill, install a few plays, break back up and work another skill and come together for a few plays. What do you think? some to pick this up. Any thoughts? This is one of the concept Walsh followed. I know this is close to what we do and it ha worked well for us |
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Post by coachnichols on Aug 9, 2008 19:29:31 GMT -6
Here's my thought...what about doing this like Mr. Miyagi in The Karate Kid; work on the basic skills we need and then come together after we have "mastered" these skills. I've been working to compile a concise list of skills needed for each position and drills the staff can/should use, but I've been thinking about how we install. For example, what if I work to perfect the basic blocks needed and then come together as a team to teach several plays at one time, instead of just work one skill, install a few plays, break back up and work another skill and come together for a few plays. What do you think? some to pick this up. Any thoughts? This is one of the concept Walsh followed. I know this is close to what we do and it ha worked well for us So Morris you're saying Walsh used this method? And you use it? What are your first week's practices going to look like? |
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Post by jgordon1 on Aug 10, 2008 9:14:45 GMT -6
well this is the plan that we are going with for this upcoming week. because it's our first official Fall practice we'll go from 3-6:30 (Everyone) but the next week we'll go to 2:40 - 5:40 ( Varsity & JV) : Min...........Skill 10 - Dynamic Stretch ............./ QB, C, WR (Settle & Noose) 20 - Indy Def ........................./ QB, WR, RB ( Pat & Go) 20 - Indy OFF........................./ LB, DB ( Pursuit Drills & Run Fits, Responsiblities) 30 - Group ( Inside , Outside Runs)........................../ WR vs DB ( Stalk Blocking, Routes) 25 - Group ( 7 on 7 ).............................................../ OL vs DL ( Run Skell ( "Our Runs") 30 - Team Def #1, #2 vs Opponent Off ( Scouts JV, Fr.) 15 - SpTm ( KO / R), ( P / PR), (Pat / Blk) (( One set a day)) 20 - Conditioning 20 - Group ( P.U. P , Screens & Exotic's) 30 - Team OFF #1, #2 vs Opponent Def ( Scout JV & Fr) Do you do this all in one Day??!! this is over a 3 1/2 hour practice not including water. |
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Post by jw8 on Aug 10, 2008 11:11:00 GMT -6
Coach Nichols- We have studied much of the Air Raid and Malzahn Hurry-No Huddle practice methods and took parts from both to come up with our practice and Installation plans. We are excited about the style of play but as the HC I am even more excited about the practice organization. We have cut out anything that is not important to getting better at football. We do not stretch and use that time to work technique and have found the results are very positive. We also do not allow for any one block of time to be over 10 min in length. Coach Malzahn at Tulsa showed us how they rotate small groups around to work with each other and to break plays down into smaller skills. We used the 10 min or less periods at camp and loved the pace of practice. You have to be organized but heck we should have been anyway....lol We put in the plays in at our Individual groups and come together in Inside/Outside Period, Routes on Air, and screen period. Our team time was also a 10 min period. When I first saw that small of team time I was worried. But my favorite Malzahn period is the way they do inside and outside period. Varsity QB and RBs go with the OL and run all of the run plays at a Hurry Up No Huddle Pace. While that is going on the sub varsity QB/RB and All skill Kids run outside (7-7). After 10 min only the QBs and RBs switch. The Sub varsity OL, QB and RB then run the Inside period for 10 min and the Varsity QB,RB and Skills do their 7-7. We got in all of the run plays and the pass schemes for that day reps without having the slow pace of Team. Also your younger kids are getting good reps. I would recommend the Malzahn Book as a great tool for just organizing practice....even if you do not want to run at that pace it would be worth looking at. I can send you some camp schedules if you want to see in more details what we did.
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Post by rideanddecide on Aug 10, 2008 12:26:01 GMT -6
jw8...
What are your varsity linemen doing while the subvarsity group is running inside drill?
Holding dummies?
I've always struggled with this organizational piece in my practices due to the #1's getting done with their 10 minute period and then basically taking 10 minutes off.
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Post by jw8 on Aug 10, 2008 13:54:27 GMT -6
Well since the OL kids do not rotate we have about 3 main groups of OL. The first 5 guys got a full 10 min of reps. Then our next 5 went for about 6 min and then the young OL group the final 4 min or so. After 10 straight min of running a rep every 15 to 20 sec. they needed to hold a bag to catch their breath....lol We are a Hurry up No Huddle Team and try to snap the ball every 5 sec after it is spotted. We also work 1 different fronts each day, 4-3, 3-3, 4-2, 3-2 looks. This pace allows the OL to get quality reps and also for us to develop the younger and backup OL. I see nothing wrong with upper class kids holding a bag. They get more rep time (which they should) but not treated any different in terms of helping their teammates. Plus they actually know what a 3 tech is so they are better at giving looks....lol I understand your issue with that but we feel the more quality OL kids we can develop the better the we will be not only this year but down the road. Not perfect having #1 kids holding bags. But we are excited about the pace so far.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 10, 2008 15:04:23 GMT -6
Chalk, walk, run. Run on air, run against cones, run against bags (thud) run against real people (thud), run against real people (Live)
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